For those who are supposedly so worried about a trump presidency.

[onecaliberal]

Maybe the party shouldn't nominate A person that 67% of democrats think is a liar, the one under FBI investigation. The woman who jeopardized national security, this isn't a right wing fantasy, these are facts. The republicans are organizing and they hate Hillary. Polls show her consistently losing to trump, while sanders beats him handily. So if you Hillary supporters really think trump is the biggest threat to America, you wouldn't be supporting the candidate WHO CANT BEAT HIM.
When you people elect president trump, don't blame us. We've been telling you for months.

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. What is it about mr trump you find so appealing?

The cut of his suits?, the hair?

[dchill]

3. Um, that would be Bernie, actually.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. His 46 inch waist?

[bahrbearian]

68. So whats Hillary waist size? since you brought that up.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. I don't give a shit what Hillary's waist size is. Do you?

So whats Hillary waist size? since you brought that up.

I don't give a shit what Hillary's waist size is. Do you?

Glad you find Donald Trump, errr, fetching though.

I will eschew the highfalutin language that has become my calling card here and speak the idiomatic English I grew up around and feel most comfortable with.


I don't play reindeer games. I am a serious m----- f----r.

[bahrbearian]

70. Wow, you need a Nap.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. Just got back from three hours at the gym. I couldn't feel more alive.

[bahrbearian]

72. Cool story Bro!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. Plato's ideal man was spiritually, physically, and intellectually at his peak

That DSB's goal.

[bahrbearian]

74. IT's good to set goals , even if you'll never obtain them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. I usually exceed them.

[bahrbearian]

76. Another cool story.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

80. I am glad I continue to impress you. I can be your role model.

[bahrbearian]

81. At 1st I was impressed how tough you sounded, but now we are playing Rain deer games,

Then I checked how much time you spend here, I figured Internet Warrior. Want some Cheetos's.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

83. Don't get lube on your Cheetos, just sayin, and certainly don't eat em after...

[bahrbearian]

84. You sure have a thing about Lube, Very Telling.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

85. First mention of it. Try again, after wiping! Hit the mark on my first try, though.

[Silver_Witch]

92. Fix your tag line Grandpa.

You have "Grandpa, what did you to stop Donald Trump from bringing fascism to America? " " I trashed Hillary Clinton."

I think you need to add a do before your to.

"Grandpa, what did you do to stop Donald Trump from bringing fascism to America? " " I trashed Hillary Clinton."



What are you doing really though taunting Democrats to get them to vote for her. Calm down and try to give people a reason to vote for her rather than digging at them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

93. I was minding my own business and the guy made a wisecrack at my expense. I responded in kind.

"So whats Hillary waist size? ... "

[Silver_Witch]

95. None of my business...

Just helping you fix your tag line. Have a nice night.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

96. Thank you for pointing that out. At least someone read my sig line.

Enjoy the rest of your long weekend.

[dchill]

2. She already can't beat him.

And that's BEFORE the FBI report. Before the OIG report, too, actually.

[onecaliberal]

4. Exactly.

Wait until the other report comes out, and the interviews done by judicial watch come out. It's all downhill.

[dchill]

5. A very, very steep downhill.

There'll probably be slaloms, too. Olympic level plus.

[onecaliberal]

6. ^That^

[Ed Suspicious]

78. . . . what your definition of "is" is?

[LiberalElite]

31. "steep downfall" made me think of something like this:

[bobbobbins01]

7. He's actually competitive against her in some blue states as well.

What the hell is the Democratic party thinking? Is her money that good?

[dchill]

9. It's gotta be more than that.

There must be a lot of skeletons.

[libdem4life]

59. There is no other logical reason. There were many qualified candidates

Without the baggage car attached. They thought Bernie was a joke and lent some authenticity to her superior position.

The decades long files of friends and enemies is fairly well known. Our own Tammany Hall. But then audio and video threw a major spoke in the wheels and they started falling off.

[TheCowsCameHome]

8. But, but, but it's her turn. She's entiled to it.

What part of that don't you folks understand?

Cripes, she is going to be a carload of red meat for the wolves on the other side.

[onecaliberal]

11. And she's already wildly unpopular on our own side, and independents hate her.

establishmemt democrats disenfranchised millions of them during the primary but those folks will vote in the general.

[TheCowsCameHome]

12. Troo dat.

She is a badly flawed candidate.

[grasswire]

17. national poll Thursday showed only 18% "honest and trustworthy"..

..for HRC.

[Jackilope]

10. They have been sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling "la-la-la, we can't hear you."

The email situation alone will sink her in the general and only cements the reasons why so many distrust her.

Those pushing HRC own it. The loyalty pledges and that there are such attempts to shame or instill fear over Trump winning indicates even deep down they acknowledge she isn't as strong a candidate as they say she is.

[cloudythescribbler]

13. the way Hillary & surrogates treat Sanderistas, you'd think they were TRYING to elect Trump!

And OF COURSE they would blame Bernie & the progressive-leaning base for their defeat, going from blaming Nader in 2000 to now blaming the progressives WITHIN the Democratic Party. And it isn't rocket science that Hillary and her supporters need to stop condescending to Bernie, calling on him if not to quit than to "tone it down"; jumping all over him for the whole debate-with-Trump thing, which Trump recognized would NOT be to his advantage; and engaging in tactics of desperation in manipulating the NV Convention issue (and aftermath) which were not only unnecessary but also a gift to Trump's campaign.

Obviously, the prime responsibility for winning over the highest percentage possible of Bernie's voters lies precisely with Hillary & those surrogates, who seem intent on ALIENATING any Bernie supporters who are in doubt, and then blaming those very voters they have failed to refrain from alienating if they don't turn out for Hillary in Nov

It is as if the program were to both elect Trump AND trash the relatively progressive wing of the Democratic Party

[grasswire]

18. well said, scribbler. nt

[silvershadow]

21. Actually I think they are trying to hide the fact the progressives wing is the *larger wing

of the party now. Clintonsism is DOA. They know it. If they can't fake it till they make it, they'd rather throw it. The Corporate State shall not be denied!

[libdem4life]

63. Good point.

[dana_b]

44. Their "logic" if you can call it that

is so flawed. "If you don't ote for Hillary, you're voting for Trump". lol..

Well I will say that by not voting for Trump, I'm in effect voting for the Democratic nominee.

[6chars]

14. What do you think of the primary system?

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People vote. Delegates are elected. And then the smartest people in the room just decide who they think is the best candidate anyway?

[silvershadow]

22. I think lobbyists should not be, because I cannot be certain where their ultimate loyalties lie.

Too many people have bought into this "new world" view that corporations are people. Including at least of 5 of the supposedly 9 smartest legal minds in our country.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. I know this will be a bitter lesson

But scandals, this is one, care not one bit about that silliness. You will learn but this has nada to do with elections.

[YOHABLO]

15. It's going to be a disastrous day if Trump wins the Presidency. Then the riots, and I do mean riots

will begin to take place. People will be furious with what he does to this country.

[silvershadow]

23. I hope it doesn't happen. nt

[onenote]

32. then you should be encouraging people to do the one thing that will keep it from happening

which is to vote for the Democratic nominee in the General, no matter who it is.

Otherwise your "hope" is nothing but empty words.

[silvershadow]

40. We are in a primary. You're talking General election strategy. We aren't nearly there yet. nt

[onenote]

47. Why is it too early to encourage people to vote for the Democratic nominee

no matter who it is, but not too early to hope Trump doesn't get elected.

Seriously, your position makes no sense.

[onenote]

86. You're the one that brought up the GE, not me.

[libdem4life]

64. The Purity Police are in the house.

[onecaliberal]

34. I agree, worst thing that could possibly ever happen. So why keep running towards the cliff

Full speed ahead.

[Garrett78]

16. I started a thread with you and others posting in this thread in mind.

I'm curious to read your answers: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512076230

[Scuba]

24. Not to worry, the Dem party leaders have a plan for that ...

They'll just blame the left, like they always do when they lose.

[Jester Messiah]

89. Yep, the cries of "Nader!" have already begun.

Predictable as the rising sun.

[gollygee]

25. It's too late for this

Really. These repeated posts about who should be nominated are too late.

[sufrommich]

26. How does Trump win without women and minorities?

Every time I see this argument here on DU I wonder if the people making it realise national elections aren't the personal playground of white men anymore.

[Garrett78]

39. I've wondered the same thing.

No Democratic presidential candidate has won the white vote since LBJ. Did that stop Carter, Clinton (twice) or Obama (twice) from winning? No. Not to mention how close Gore and Kerry came to winning. And who knows what would have happened had RFK not been killed.

Demographics are such now that the electoral map favors Clinton.

[hack89]

87. Angry white men are blind to POC and women. nt

[DrDan]

27. trump hasn't even touched the surface of his attacks on bernie . . . you should realize that

[beachbum bob]

28. we are supporting the only candidate that can beat trump...sanders would be mincemeat

and the media would chew him up and spit out as the angry old socialist berating success, capitalism...the pacifist that can't/wont keep america safe....

sanders can help hillary or help trump
sanders supporters can help hillary or help trump

[saltpoint]

29. That's a shallow take on a layered electorate.

Many of us who supported Sanders in our states' primaries still prefer him as the nominee but many Sanders supporters nationwide will not accept Trump's candidacy under any set of circumstances, as most of us are in at least one of the demographic groups he has trashed to get where he is.

You cite polling but polling shifts. Sometimes very dramatically and very swiftly. I believe current polling is unlikely to hold through July, never mind into the fall election. The demographics of the swing states which will decide the electoral college outcome are extremely unfavorable to Donald Trump.

There is a gamble to Hillary Clinton if she is our nominee, but it is owed more to Trump's supporters' unpredictability than to his demographic position.

[oberliner]

30. The person with the most delegates gets the nomination

There really isn't any other fair alternative at this point.

[MadDAsHell]

33. But we HAVE to nominate someone historic.

Don't you know that's the new trend?

It doesn't really matter if she wins, mind you, just as long as her nomination was "historic."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. As long as the historic candidate has a lot more votes what's the problem?

[Doctor_J]

35. I think the oligarchy played this perfectly. The dems nominate a corporatist candidate with

historic negatives, reviled by millions, trusted by few. In a typical election she would lose badly. What to do? Have the republicans nominate an idiotic reality tv star - a clown, completely unelectable. Then Clinton and Ryan go through what's left of the commons like Sherman went through Georgia.

[dana_b]

45. yes - it really is brilliant

and horrific. The ONLY way they can get her to win is to nominate an idiotic talking yam.

[JoePhilly]

36. Why do some of you think you are immune to a Trump Presidency.

You place your self "on high", pronouncing your judgement on the sinners as if a Trump Presidency would have no impact on you or anyone you know.

Too worried about who would be to "blame" to care about such things I guess.

[Doctor_J]

38. Why do you think we're immune to a Clinton presidency?

[silvershadow]

43. Amen. nt

[Hydra]

49. Because her peeps think the only people DLC policies hurt

Are people who are "unworthy."

Kinda republicanish, don't you think?

[JoePhilly]

62. You'll do much better under Trump.

[Hydra]

65. Lol

You mean the guy Bill invited to the party to take out Jeb? The fact that you guys fear him winning tells me you don't trust Bill's judgement.

[JoePhilly]

60. You'll do much better under Trump.

Apparently.

[pdsimdars]

50. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^

And they are WILLFULLY ignoring all the warnings, just like Hillary did with her private server. . . they warned her but she refused to listen.

[Shadowflash]

51. Nah. That would make FAR too much sense.

The GOP nominated a turd that not even THEY like, let alone anybody else, yet HRC is BARELY breaking even with him in the polls. HRC should be thanking her lucky stars that they nominated such a clown this cycle to run against her. Had they nominated anybody who had a modicum of sense, she would be losing, big time.

But, sure, they will blame the Sanders supporters if she loses. Oy.

[creeksneakers2]

52. You didn't warn us

You threatened us. She would be ahead if it weren't for the stubborness of the Sanders supporters. Bernie would have problems too if he were the nominee.

[onecaliberal]

91. Poor little things. How dare we stand on principle for once instead of voting for a liar who

risked National security to hide her foundation activity links to foreign governments while she was SOS. Spare me your blather. No one is threatening you, perhaps you have a problem with comprehension.

[creeksneakers2]

94. Losers whine

I don't.

You threatened not to vote for the nominee if you didn't get your way. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

By the way, the foundation mostly stopped donations from foreign governments while Hillary was secretary, except those that were already donating to that AIDS programs. She wasn't hiding anything. Spare me the self righteous excuses.

[onecaliberal]

97. I didn't threaten anything. Like I said, comprehension problems.

She put national security at risk the Russians have her email, spare me your ostrich impression. #Blocked for willful. *^^{%+*{{

[Metric System]

53. The people have voted and they have chosen Hillary as the nominee. It sounds like you think Super

Delegates (aka the party) should overturn the will of the people and nominate Sanders instead, even though he is behind by 300 pledged delegates and 3 million votes.

[IdaBriggs]

55. Hillary was chosen but not by the voters. And the math proves it -- 261 to 2.

I posted about this yesterday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1251&thread=2072852&pid=2073345

"There were 193 Democratic members of the House, 47 sitting Senators and 21 Governors to pick from who don't make the Republicans want to grab their pitchforks. Why Hillary?"

With literally HUNDREDS of Democrats in leadership positions in Congress and a nice solid chunk with state wide Executive experience, only TWO - a former Governor from Maryland and an Indepent turned Democratic Senator from Vermont - even stepped forward to be considered, while Hillary (former 8 year Senator, former Secretary of State, and "inspirational speaker" by trade) opened the race with over 400 super delegate votes before the first debate.

That is NOT "the people" picking - that is rigging the process. We know this by pure evidence, because without the back room deals, a dozen Republicans threw their hats into the ring and battled it out. Their nominees might have been whackadoodles, but they actually represented the people of the Republican Party from the uber rich to the bad businessmen to the Ayn Rand fans to the religious lunatics.

Their field actually started with both men, women and multiple minorities. Meanwhile, the Democrats - the party that actually supports minorities and is currently led by an African American man - fielded three white people, with one of them being Jewish. No African Americans, no Latinos, no LGBT - apparently, in those areas we have not cultivated leadership?

And then the money: in AUGUST of 2015, still months before the first Democratic Primary debate on CNN on October 13, and the first Primaries in February, THIRTY-THREE state party chairs entered into a "Hillary for Victory" fundraising scheme that is no less than a money laundering scheme designed to circumvent election fundraising laws. You can read more about it here: http://www.npr.org/2015/12/23/460762853/how-hillary-clinton-could-ask-a-single-donor-for-over-700-000 That is NOT the people deciding - that type of soft money game was responsible for corruption cases until it was made illegal, but the Supreme Court gutted those voter protections in 2014 and Hillary AND the DNC promptly took advantage of it, to the point where all of the reforms Obama put in place were reversed.

As for the debates: SIX were scheduled during this Primary, as opposed to FIFTEEN in 2004 and TWENTY-FIVE in 2008. Debates and the discussion analysis that follow provide an introduction for unknown candidates to introduce themselves to the American public. Hillary already had uber levels of name recognition to the non-political junkies as "former First Lady" while the other candidates were still struggling with only regional VIP status.

The people did NOT pick Hillary Clinton; she was PICKED for us. She is at best a default candidate, with polls consistently saying that given other Not-Crazy options, they want someone else.

So I go back to my original question: who arrogantly thought that putting one of the most divisive and disliked politicians up for President, and then saying "ha! ha!" to the Republican base, was going to be good for the country?

[Metric System]

56. Over 13 million PEOPLE have voted for her. You can write a book justifying otherwise, but reality

is reality.

[IdaBriggs]

57. And millions more have not. And polls consistently say they don't like her.

Her "honest and trustworthy" is at 18%. Reality is THE PEOPLE didn't pick her - she was picked for us. Plus FBI investigation and 38 civil lawsuits because she screwed up so badly on something as simple as email...

[Metric System]

58. Using that logic, millions more have also NOT voted for Sanders.

[Garrett78]

61. And millions didn't vote for Obama in the 2008 primary. That's what happens in a primary.

It's as if people are arguing, "Clinton didn't get 100% of the primary vote, therefore she shouldn't be the nominee and will lose in November."

Clinton is called weak and a terrible candidate, yet she won, so what does that say about Sanders?

[AmBlue]

98. Clinton only got where she is by the DNC...

Heavily weighting the scale (like rigging Iowa) in her favor all the while trying to bury Bernie. The media all but blacked him out for the first half of the primaries as well. Still Bernie has come from nowhere to be a resounding force... With NO big corporate money whatsoever.

In other words, whatever HRC has done doesn't say one, damn thing about Bernie and his amazing, historic campaign to represent THE PEOPLE of this nation.

[Agnosticsherbet]

54. A majority of Democrats have voted for Clinton and refused to vote for Sanders.

Clinton will kick Trump's ass.

The people who refuse to vote for Democratic nominee want Trump. Some of those will vote. Some will stay home a pretend thedon't want Trump. Those two groups will be responsible if Trump should win. Actions have consequences.

[Triana]

66. EXACTLY. n/t

[SCantiGOP]

67. Or, if they are worried about Trump

Maybe they wouldn't post anti-Democratic diatribes like this.
She will be the nominee; what good does your post do when looking ahead to November?

[bullimiami]

77. Huh. And the 'liar' that everyone hates is beating Bernie pretty badly.

Go figure.

[progressoid]

90. Which doesn't help her beat Trump.

Isn't she in a tie with orangutrump?

[DinahMoeHum]

79. Political purity my Aunt Fanny.

Whoever the Democratic nominee is will get my vote.

[nolabels]

82. If they had real positions instead of those that blow in the wind.....

There are thousand ways to sunday to say anything about anything. The thing is that some of these people need subordinates to blame shit on and mostly us Bernie fans are not stepping into it.

How about you asking your candidate to step up instead

[oldandhappy]

88. relax

clinton will be the nom and she will win. the DNC will mount a terror campaign around the Supreme court picks. And half the country will be so disgusted they will never vote again. and a seriously damaged candidate will take the oath of office. I suspect Trump and company will be vicious. the man has no morals and no ethics. there is a difference between being vetted and being destroyed. I am a sanders supporter and I am willing to let clinton have it. We need sanders to mentor the new movement and to work in the senate.

[workinclasszero]

99. Why do Bernie fans welcome a Trump presidency?

That's so....progressive?!