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NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:40 PM May 2016

Poor polls, scandal, a cussed rival … how it’s all going wrong for Hillary Clinton

"The week that Donald Trump finally sealed the Republican presidential nomination ought to have been a triumphant one for Hillary Clinton. With a final few delegates nudging him past the official finishing line on Thursday, here at last was the candidate that Democrats always dreamed of running against: unpopular, undisciplined and ostensibly unelectable in November’s general election.

Yet in the Alice in Wonderland world of American politics in 2016, nothing is what it seems. Clinton supporters would instead have to stomach six impossible things before the week was out.

The first was the sight of the former secretary of state falling behind her Republican opponent in an average of national opinion polls. Though by a wafer-thin – and probably temporary – margin, the breaching of this symbolic threshold could yet become self-fulfilling if it normalises the once unthinkable prospect of a Trump-themed White House

Then came a damning report by an independent inspector at the Department of State, who contradicted her claims that she had been allowed to use a private email server for official business while serving as the nation’s chief diplomat. Once again, things were not quite as simple as they appeared, and Clinton allies argue that the report also shows other former secretaries of state up to the same tricks. But only one of them is running for president. With the FBI still investigating whether she broke federal law, this is an old wound that could reopen again before the contest is over.

Some Democrats, such as progressive champion Elizabeth Warren, show signs of trying to rally around their beleaguered team captain, yet the ongoing FBI investigation also complicates the ability of the party’s most influential cheerleader to come to the rescue. At a press conference in Japan, the normally loquacious Barack Obama flat out refused to take a question from a journalist asking whether the email scandal undermined Clinton’s “trustworthiness”."


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/28/hillary-clinton-us-presidential-electiond-democrats

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Poor polls, scandal, a cussed rival … how it’s all going wrong for Hillary Clinton (Original Post) NWCorona May 2016 OP
Hasn't gone as wrong for her as it has for Sanders. She's the nominee, he's reduced to trying to Trust Buster May 2016 #1
Yes. Hillary's biggest problems are independent of Bernie. NWCorona May 2016 #2
Bernie Demsrule86 May 2016 #18
With a straight face? I don't think do. dchill May 2016 #4
She's a gamble. The FBI may find nothing. Or saltpoint May 2016 #3
There are clear crimes in the things we already know about. onecaliberal May 2016 #6
Thanks for your remarks. eom saltpoint May 2016 #7
" The FBI may find nothing." TimPlo May 2016 #9
The content of the Findings may be upstaged saltpoint May 2016 #10
Just from the IG report we KNOW she committed at least one crime, possibly more. BillZBubb May 2016 #12
Yep, it's not looking good for She Who saltpoint May 2016 #13
Poor Hillary? Demsrule86 May 2016 #5
Thank you. I shared with some friends. nt silvershadow May 2016 #8
Trump thanks you for this post The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #11
Hillary supporters with their heads in the sand should be thanking the OP. BillZBubb May 2016 #14
+10,000 nt Live and Learn May 2016 #16
It's still a river in Egypt. Miles Archer May 2016 #17
once again the charges of crimes committed but nobody actually names any for which they have proof msongs May 2016 #15
 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
1. Hasn't gone as wrong for her as it has for Sanders. She's the nominee, he's reduced to trying to
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:43 PM
May 2016

dictate who her v.p. will be.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
2. Yes. Hillary's biggest problems are independent of Bernie.
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:46 PM
May 2016

Worst case scenario for Bernie is he doesn't win. I'd take that over Hillary's worst case scenario.

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
18. Bernie
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:41 AM
May 2016

not winning is a best case for me. He would never get elected in a general, we just must hope Hillary can overcome the double teaming of by Trump and Bernie and win this thing.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
3. She's a gamble. The FBI may find nothing. Or
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:48 PM
May 2016

they may discover something not yet revealed.

It would appear that Mrs. Clinton lied about what happened involving the private server and the recent investigation exposed the lie. "Other Secretaries of State did the same thing!" is not likely to stop the FBI's ongoing investigation. And I'm sure the Republicans are keeping a close eye on developments.



onecaliberal

(32,822 posts)
6. There are clear crimes in the things we already know about.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:07 PM
May 2016

The question is will she suffer the consequences you and I would or will she be protected.
She clearly jeopardized national security. If a republican had done this her supporters would be screaming from the rooftops. And before you say Powell and rice did it, NO they didn't. Neither conducted state department business in their own damn private unsecured server. And if you don't know what that means stop fucking commenting on it.

 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
9. " The FBI may find nothing."
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:12 PM
May 2016

They must of found something. Because AG said that the FBI case started as a security review and that was the Genesis of the investigation. So unless the AG. who is one top lawyers in country, does not know what word Genesis(the origin or mode of formation of something.). Now they question is are they finding more and what.

I don't think she means

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
12. Just from the IG report we KNOW she committed at least one crime, possibly more.
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:04 AM
May 2016

And the IG wasn't doing a criminal probe.

The probability of an FBI recommendation for indictment just went from somewhat low to somewhat high.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
13. Yep, it's not looking good for She Who
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:07 AM
May 2016

Would Be Annointed.

There's a flickering matter also of all the people who have heartily endorsed her candidacy but who have not been told all the information related to the private server. IMO they deserve to be told and it's Hillary Clinton's responsibility to tell them. Is she really confident her actions regarding the server are not actionable? Are those who have endorsed her confident?

The more furtive it looks the less trustworthy she becomes.

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
5. Poor Hillary?
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:01 PM
May 2016

Poor Bernie 9 days and his is an also ran...aww...so sad...couldn't be much worse. He has to few delegates.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
14. Hillary supporters with their heads in the sand should be thanking the OP.
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:11 AM
May 2016

Maybe it could help them understand what a disaster their candidate is before it is too late.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
17. It's still a river in Egypt.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:48 AM
May 2016


We're locked into a cycle where any criticism of Clinton is met by a slam at Sanders and high school "LOLs," and meanwhile, Trump has been largely silent when it comes to Clinton.

Every attack he initiated on the occupants of the GOP Primary Clown car is going to look tame in comparison once we are in full GE mode.

The solution behind a candidate who is a disaster waiting to happen is not to "rally behind" them with the blinders on.

There are basically two options:

1). Fight the battle of a lifetime that will diffuse anything Trump throws at her, or

2). Find a new candidate between now and June.

Then there's option 3, which is to "LOL" our way to November.

I'm pretty sick of the "LOL" crap.
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