Why is Bernie doing the NRA's work going after Gov. Malloy?

[MirrorAshes]

Can anyone explain why Bernie would demand to have him removed other than his harsh stance on guns?

I want to believe it's something else, because it's truly insidious if that is the reason.

[Tavarious Jackson]

1. That is the reason.

[scscholar]

2. Bernie has never been strong enough on guns

He doesn't support the door to door solution.

[pablo_marmol]

25. "He doesn't support the door to door solution."

Based on your posting history on this subject, I need not even ask you to clarify your "door to door" statement. I'll just......

[cali]

29. Wait. You think enforcers should go door to door confiscating all firearms?

[oberliner]

55. Gun Violence Restraining Order

California governor signs 'gun violence restraining order' law

People who fear a close relative may commit gun violence will be able to petition a judge to temporarily remove the person's firearms in California, under a bill signed into law on Tuesday by Democratic Governor Jerry Brown.

The legislation - the first such measure in the United States - was introduced after police in Isla Vista near Santa Barbara said they were unable to confiscate weapons from a man who later went on a rampage and killed six people, despite concern from his family.

"In the case of the Isla Vista shooter, Elliot Rodger, his mother was noticing that he was becoming more agitated and making these threats of violence, but there was little she could do and little the police could do," said Democratic Assembly member Nancy Skinner of Berkeley, who introduced the bill along with Santa Barbara Democrat Das Williams.

Under the so-called gun violence restraining order in the court system, immediate family members and law enforcement agencies could ask a judge to order guns temporarily removed from certain individuals.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-california-gun-control-idUSKCN0HP2JD20141001

[cali]

57. Perfectly reasonable but hardly the same thing.

[oberliner]

58. That's the "door to door" solution being referenced, I believe

If not, hopefully the other poster will clarify what they were talking about.

[cali]

59. Is that its name? And if that is what the poster is referring to, is there

evidence Bernie doesn't support it?

[oberliner]

60. People who oppose it use that name

Breaking: Federal Agents Going Door to Door Confiscating Guns

According to recent reports, California has just introduced a new gun law that takes effect at the beginning of this year. Following the lead of President Obama, the law threatens the Second Amendment rights of California residents.

The “Gun Violence Restraining Order” act reportedly gives the state the right to seize your legally-owned weapons for up to three weeks based on word of mouth evidence alone. If anyone cites “concerns” a judge can strip you of your weapons—and therefore your protection.

http://www.worldnewspolitics.com/2016/02/25/breaking-federal-agents-going-door-to-door-confiscating-guns/

I don't know what Bernie's position is on the law.

[cali]

61. In other words, no that isn't its name. And the op posted shit. Clearly.

[oberliner]

62. Obamacare is not the name of anything either

I don't know why you are being snarky, I was just trying to hypothesize as to what that poster might have been talking about.

Hopefully they can fill us in with more information.

[cali]

63. What a spurious comparison. I know you're smarter than that

And that poster's intentions seem quite clear.

[oberliner]

64. Huh?

I am not understanding what you are accusing me of. I was only trying to help explain what the other poster might have been referencing. I'll step out of this exchange. Didn't mean to cause any offense, was just trying to help.

[Trajan]

3. meh

(EDIT: Just read your journal .... ta ta ...)

[MirrorAshes]

15. Good.

The truth hurts, don't it?

[MirrorAshes]

5. I'm dead serious.

And I don't want anti-gun democrats to be punished for standing up for their beliefs. It's reprehensible.

[jillan]

7. You could spend less time using google to find out why Bernie is going after Gov Malloy than

you have spent making up this bullcrap.

On edit - IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GUNS!

[MirrorAshes]

8. It says it's about guns right there in Bernie's letter.

That Malloy has been unfair to Bernie on the subject.

[merrily]

27. Save it. TM99 is right. It could not possibly be more obvious. Yet

another sucky DU OP bashing Bernie for no reason.

[jillan]

6. Unreal. They have no filter.

Some people just post the first thing that pops into their mind.

[MirrorAshes]

9. No, I read the letter, and was disgusted by it.

Bernie can't take the heat for his regressive views on guns so he aims to punish the person who has called him out on it most strongly.

It's crystal clear, and truly shameful.

[jillan]

10. What are you mumbling about? The letter was about the convention.

[MirrorAshes]

12. It's right there for you to read. nt.

[merrily]

28. Could not possibly be more obvious than you are right.

[Chan790]

11. Dannel Malloy is a cretin.

I know because he's my governor.

Last month he wanted to cut social services spending and break union contracts to balance the budget and when the Democrats in the CGA wouldn't play ball, he tried to negotiate a backroom deal with CTGOP. He's Scott Walker with a D after his name.

I don't really give a hell why Bernie wants Malloy removed (I know why, I just don't care why. He's accusing him of being partisan in an appointed position that is supposed to be neutral...it has very little to do with guns, though that's the meme/lie of the day)...the mere act of wanting to see Malloy disempowered on any grounds is a good start.

[MirrorAshes]

13. How is it a lie when that is the exact accusation

put forth in the letter?

[Chan790]

42. No, the accusation was that Malloy was not neutral.

An example of that put forth in the letter was that Malloy continues to repeat a falsehood about Sanders' role in the 3-day limit on background checks in the Brady Bill that Malloy knows is a lie...and which even the Clinton campaign acknowledged was untrue. (This is the problem with debating someone that actually reads things like the letter in question...)

This is par for the course for Malloy. It's what he does...he lies and misrepresents to cast political opponents in a bad light. I've been listening to him do it for 5+ years now. In just the last year, he's lied about teachers, firefighters, police officers (and their unions) as he tried to renege on their contracts; he's lied about his responsibility in a change in tax-policy that was going to increase the cost of hospital care in CT; he's lied about the Democratic leadership of the CGA when they opposed his budget...there's a pattern with Dandy Dannel, he has a remote association with facts--particularly facts he does not like.

Beyond any issue regarding the primary...he's not neutral and it's really questionable why Clinton would even accept his support. He's not the kind of Democrat any good Democrat should want to associate with on account of his actual policy positions and his behavior.

[oberliner]

49. You are wrong

The letter states:

"It is expected, acceptable, and even desirable, that committee members will represent a diversity of political views and presidential preferences."

About Malloy, the letter says he has "a closed mind and a lack of civility" and also "an open animosity to Senator Sanders".

The only example in the letter provided in support of that claim relates to gun control.

[Chan790]

72. I'm not wrong...I just didn't fail reading comprehension.

An example of a behavior is not the totality of that behavior.

I could say for example, "Bob has a habit of stealing mine and other people's property when drunk. Last week, when he was a bit deep in his gin, he stole my lawn tractor." Clearly, from the statement at hand (a habit of stealing mine and other people's property when drunk), the subsequent example is not the totality of the behavior.

Likewise with Malloy. The gun-control issue is not the only issue on which he lied about Sanders...it's just the one that was used as an example in the letter. Further, the grounds given in the letter for opposing Malloy's appointment, is the lying, not the difference of opinion on gun-control.

If you'd like a list and can wait for me to get home from work, I'd be happy to give you a list of known lies that Malloy slandered against Sanders, particularly in the run-up to the CT primary.

[Tavarious Jackson]

14. in politics you're suppose to be able to disagree

debate even " vigorous" debate like Bernie says then get along to get things done. He should not be able to dictate who Hillary can have! You don't see the power play in this?

[Tavarious Jackson]

18. Bernie made you think that for sympathy

but in truth dems bent over backward for him.

[Tavarious Jackson]

20. Yes it did.

[Scootaloo]

38. What, like with his mind control powers?

He's a frumpy Vermonter, not Professor Charles Xavier, Tavarious.

Maybe stick to not knowing how the DNC chair is appointed.

[ucrdem]

43. Yep.

Don't know why exactly but they let him play without any binding guarantees and now we're seeing what a great idea that was.

[riversedge]

36. Another Bernie fan obsessed with Brock when Sanders has the Rove machine with him-I refer to

the ads Rove and company put up against Hillary that help Bernie

[ucrdem]

46. LOL, AmericanCrossroads is chock-a-block full of vids bashing DWS

Will Debbie Wasserman Schultz return domestic violence-linked cash?

https://www.americancrossroadsDOTorg/2016/05/will-debbie-wasserman-schultz-return-domestic-violence-linked-cash/

......................
NOTE: this is not a direct link to AmericanCrossroads. I've replaced the period in the link with the word "dot."

[Chan790]

41. The power-play is DWS's and Clintons.

The presumed nominee only gets things 100% their way if they get to the magic number and lock up the nomination before the convention. There is no mathematical way for either candidate to get there.

Otherwise, precedent (and precedent is most important of the three), logic and fairness all dictate that decision-input and authority for any open convention (whether brokered or not) are proportional to the % of pledged delegates earned. Sanders will get about 45% of those to Clinton's expected 49%...that's exactly how much he gets to dictate.

[opiate69]

78. Sheesh.

One would think a million bucks would buy a workforce that passed 5th grade English.

[BreakfastClub]

22. It sounds like he's on the take, if you ask me. He has the NRA to thank

for his career in government, after all.

[cali]

31. Vermonter here. Laughable, dear.

He was Mayor of Burlington for 4 terms before running for Congress and the NRA has never given him a cent.

[Demsrule86]

47. Oh really?

"BURLINGTON, Vt. — A few days before Election Day in 1990, the National Rifle Association sent a letter to its 12,000 members in Vermont, with an urgent message about the race for the state’s single House seat.

Vote for the socialist, the gun rights group said. It’s important.

“Bernie Sanders is a more honorable choice for Vermont sportsmen than ­Peter Smith,” wrote Wayne LaPierre, who was — and still is — a top official at the national NRA, backing Sanders over the Republican incumbent.

That was odd. Sanders was the ex-hippie ex-mayor of Burlington, running as an independent because the Democrats weren’t far enough left. He had never even owned a gun.

But that year, he was the enemy of the NRA’s enemy."

Judy Shailor, seen July 16, 2015 in Milton, Vt., managed Peter Smith's congressional campaign in 1990. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
Smith had changed his mind about a ban on ­assault weapons. The NRA and its allies wanted him beaten. They didn’t much care who beat him."


Oh and after a debate...the NRA sent this sweet tweet to Sanders...

"Though the National Rifle Association isn’t known for supporting Democrats, on Monday the organization tweeted praise for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) after he backed gunmakers’ immunity from certain types of lawsuits during Sunday’s Democratic presidential debate."

[cali]

50. REALLY.

They just wanted to defeat Peter. I was here. Don't fucking try and tell me how he was elected.

They have never given him a red cent

[Lizzie Poppet]

56. That's absolutely transparent bullshit..

Bernie has a D- rating from the NRA, a fact any six year old could obtain with five seconds and an internet connection.

[bigwillq]

23. Gov Malloy is awful.

CT is a mess.

[MirrorAshes]

24. That's not the point.

Bernie didn't say he wanted him out of the convention because he was a bad governor. He said he wanted him out because he attacked him on guns.

[SwampG8r]

48. Because he lied about his stance on guns there fixed it for you

Its telling you are defending a proven liar but thats a hillarian for you.

[oberliner]

51. The letter does not accuse Malloy of lying about Bernie's stance on guns

It just says that his attacks were unfair, which is a matter of opinion.

[Cobalt Violet]

40. sure is, at least the traffic is.

Can't even drive to NYC from MA anymore without getting stuck in nightmare CT traffic for hrs. and hrs. It's was a 3.5-4 hr drive now it's at least 6.

[oberliner]

53. Maybe you should consider taking public transportation

Otherwise, you are part of the problem.

[Cobalt Violet]

76. it was a bus ride!

Maybe you should consider not be so judgemental and condesending next time. Otherwise, you are a problem.

[Maedhros]

26. Why are you not on my ignore list?

Fixed.

[silvershadow]

32. LOL

[MirrorAshes]

34. I don't post much. Only when your bullshit reaches these extremes.

Doing the NRA's work for them just doesn't sit right with me. Does it you?

[azurnoir]

30. maybe because Malloy wants Sanders held accountable for every gun death in the US?

[MirrorAshes]

33. So you admit it is about guns. Thanks for clarifying.

Is Bernie that thin-skinned, or is he carrying water for the gun lobby once again? To demand the man is removed from the committee seems a little excessive, no?

[azurnoir]

35. it's about Malloy's hyperbole and bias disqualifying him from a position that is supposedly neutral

but apparently you agree with Malloy?

[Scootaloo]

39. It's about Malloy being a stupid fucking asshole

I don't think it's thin-skinned to be offended by someone asserting you're responsible for every gun death in the country. Of course, you favor Clinton, so you see no problem with such blood libel. But that's what it is.

it IS thin-skinned, however, to make that claim about someone as a "revenge" for their criticism of your garbage policies. Bernie and Malloy have gone around before, mostly about Malloy's apparent passion for setting fire to Connecticut's social safety nets.

[Demsrule86]

45. I love Malloy

and grew up in Connecticut...Bernie Sanders has stepped in it this time...his views on guns disqualify him .

[Pat Riots]

71. By that logic Hillary is also

Didn't she approve arms deals as SOS? Didn't she advocate using weaponry as SOS? By what bizzare standard do you support Hillary and disqualify Bernie?

[Chan790]

74. You clearly don't live here anymore.

I liked him at one point too...worked for his campaign even.

Right now, he's so popular here that his approval rating makes Congress's approval rating look like "Everybody loves Congress!"

The only good thing about it is that he has basically no chance of ever winning a CT Democratic primary again, let alone a gubernatorial election. He's destroyed our economy, put us into a statewide recession at a time when the economy nationally is strong, shit on worker's rights, and used crony capitalism to benefit his friends. Hell of a job, Dann!

Anybody who loves Malloy should probably get their head examined...or join the GOP.

[stone space]

52. Holy shit! It really IS about guns?

Thanks!

I hadn't read that, before.

Disgusting!

[azurnoir]

65. so you believe Bernie should be held personally responsible for the all of the gun deaths in the US?

[stone space]

66. Thank you for posting the letter. (nt)

[azurnoir]

68. why, because it shows the degree of hyperbolic bias and accusation Malloy has been engaging in ?

do you really wish that to be revealed?

[stone space]

69. Because the OP didn't offer any evidence that it was actually about guns. You did.

Thank you!

[azurnoir]

70. you believe like Malloy that Bernie should be held responsible for all of the gun deaths in the US?

[Demsrule86]

44. Bernie Sanders is the worst

So now he helps the NRA out...nice going Bernie...Malloy is a great guy and Bernie...angry and bitter...destructive.

[stone space]

54. K&R'd after reading the letter somebody posted above. (nt)

[99Forever]

67. You really suck at this.

Bye bye.

[workinclasszero]

73. Just giving his buds at the NRA a helping hand

[riversedge]

75. Sanders is scared of an old gay liberal & Gov of CT. He's probably not up to taking on Putin!

Thomas Cantwell
?@AstoriaTom

@Amy_Siskind Sanders is scared of an old gay liberal & the Governor of Connecticut. He's probably not up to taking on Putin.

[Robbins]

77. Malloy already swiftboated Bernie

if superdelegates push clinton over the top he should then walk out of convention.his issues will get nothing but lip service in CLinton Party.