Which clinton campaign is more of a train wreck 08 or 16?

[SwampG8r]

Discuss.

[brooklynite]

1. Well, Clinton is WINNING in 2016...

Of course, Clinton DELIVERED her voters to Obama in 2008...

[w4rma]

6. If she wins the primary, Democrats lose the presidency and she has zero coattails, so she squanders

an epic opportunity to retake Congress and many state legislatures. But, neoliberals are more afraid of progressives than neoconservatives, so they are perfectly fine with this. They only care about the billionaire bribe money.

[LenaBaby61]

2. In 2016, she's about to win the Dem nomination...

For the presidency, unlike when she lost out in the primaries to then Senator Barack Obama in 2008.

[SwampG8r]

4. Counting chickens before they hatch

Its over for her

[LenaBaby61]

8. Notice...

I used the word about.

Secondly, it IS about to be over for the 2nd place finisher in the Dem primary.

Using the word about again.

About:

"used to indicate movement within a particular area."

Hillary Clinton is moving towards the Democratic nomination for president.

[onehandle]

18. What does that say for Sanders? nt

[RiverNoord]

5. I'm a Sanders supporter, and I find your OP tasteless.

Seriously, it's pure insult - not cool.

[joshcryer]

7. 2008, severely underestimated the caucuses.

Her low key campaign this time around has been relatively benign.

[JonLeibowitz]

11. Except for all her lies, yes.

[CrowCityDem]

9. The only wreck was caused by running over Bernie's campaign.

[jamese777]

10. In 2008 she lost

In 2016 she's doing much better:
Primaries' total popular vote as of May 27th
Hillary Clinton: 13,192,713 (55.5%)
Bernie Sanders: 10,158,889 (42.7%)
Donald Trump: 11,266,041

Clinton over Sanders: 3,033,824
Clinton over Trump: 1,926,672
Trump over Sanders: 1,057,152

Hillary Clinton: 1,775 pledged delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,499 pledged delegates

Hillary Clinton: 522 superdelegates
Bernie Sanders: 42 superdelegates

Hillary Clinton: 2,297 total delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,541 total delegates

Hillary Clinton: 26 contests won
Bernie Sanders: 21 contests won

Hillary Clinton needs 89 delegates
Bernie Sanders needs 842 delegates

[LenaBaby61]

13. Nice...

June 14th can't come soon enough

[senz]

22. Hillary: 1771 pledged delegates. Bernie: 1487 pledged delegates

Bernie has 284 fewer pledged delegates than Hill.

Hillary needs 612 more pledged delegates to get to 2383.

There are only 781 pledged delegates left in the remaining nine primaries:

Virgin Islands, PR, CA Mont NJ, NM, ND SD, DC

Neither candidate will be able to reach 2383 pledged delegates from the remaining primaries.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512046916

[annavictorious]

30. Neither candidate will be able to reach 2383 pledged delegates from the remaining primaries

Neither Democratic candidate had enough pledged delegates going into the convention in 2008.

It will be over for Sanders after the first roll call vote.

I know there are entitlement issues with Sanders and his supporters, but he's not going to be handed a nomination he didn't win.

[B Calm]

12. 16 the year the DNC handed the presidency to Trump by pushing their un-vetted corporate candidate.

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[jamese777]

16. Refund

I'd take that crystal ball back to Walmart if I were you. No one can predict the future.

On October 22, 2012, the Gallup Poll said Romney over Obama 53-46, just weeks before the election.

Obama beat Romney by five million votes.

[ThirdWayToTheHighway]

28. Funny how there's outliers in polling

Care to take a look at the aggregate? Further, why would you choose someone that is tied for losing in the aggregate this far out and who never trends upward against someone who's way ahead? Seriously the Hillary shilling is impossibly illogical.

[ThirdWayToTheHighway]

26. Correction:

Their vetted and proven to be terrible candidate.

[HumanityExperiment]

14. ...both...

Here's why...

'08 she and her campaign couldn't overcome a 'grassroots' nominee, she thought she learned her lesson and prepared for it in '16
So far she's barely beating Bernie, so her ability to overcome is lacking to a larger degree... bad leadership shown

Now in '16, she's losing against national polling against TRUMP... TRUMP...
If she's so feckless and l;acking against him now, it's only going to get worse as they toss everything and the kitchen sink at the public

Trump 'wins' with PR, and using media against his rivals... he's much better than Clinton at that, she's lost that very large gap she had earlier against him....

So imo it's both, bu the trend is showing '16 will be a larger train wreck

[mythology]

15. Neither

In 2008 she ran up against an exceptional candidate who had an exceptional strategy. It's hard to blame somebody for losing to Obama, especially with as close as the delegate count was.

In 2016 she had learned from her 2008 campaign and is beating Sanders by a much wider margin than Obama won with in 2008.

[Skink]

17. shes looking at a tiebreaker.

Already down a mini break to a guy that serves at 120.

[Mohammed_Lee]

19. 16 is more painful to watch at this point... n/t

[m-lekktor]

20. 08 because it doesn't get much tackier/craven than when she implied Obama might end up like RFK. nt

[B Calm]

24. That Hillary quote was sick beyond any measure. That alone should had disqualified her from ever

running again.

[karynnj]

21. 2016

Obama was a far stronger opponent and he had substantial support from one side of the Democratic party - including Kerry, Kennedy, Daschle, and Durbin. Sanders had no one for a long time - and now has just Senator Merkley and a few people in the House.

Not to mention, Obama had more name recognition -- and all of it was good - from his 2004 speech.

In addition, Obama had many of Daschle's and then Kerry's operatives. Sanders had Weaver, who owned a comic book store and a relatively middle level Tad Devine.

[senz]

23. Clinton has a longer history of failure in 2016.

Obama reminded us of her support for the Iraq War.

But now she has her abysmal record as SOS: the disastrous mistakes in Libya, Syria, and Honduras, along with her lawless disregard for national security and her lucrative "deals" with weapons manufacturers and third world countries.

She is more clearly incompetent and corrupt now than she was in 2008.

[okieinpain]

25. both of them equally. she should have had this mess figure out by now

instead we have to live with the bern.

[floriduck]

27. Actually, she's been running since she left the White House. Few are as calculated as Hill. At

least she doesn't hide it.

[Bleacher Creature]

29. These passive aggressive OPs are getting annoying.

[HooptieWagon]

31. She lost in '08, but at least not subject of FBI criminal investigation.

Even if she manages to avoid indictment and get elected this Nov, there is a 100% certainty of her being impeached...brought upon by herself. So '16 would have to be the bigger self-inflicted trainwreck.

[jamese777]

32. Impeached?

If the Senate stays the same as it is now, 54 Republicans and 46 Democrats, it would take every Republican plus 13 Democrats to remove a president from office via impeachment. Its not gonna happen. Its nearly impossible to get 67 votes on anything in the Senate.

[HooptieWagon]

33. That's for removal from office on impeachment charges.

Impeachment is the filing of the charges. It only takes a simple majority of the House.
IOW, Bill Clinton was impeached by the House. The Senate didn't have the votes to remove him.

[jamese777]

34. Yes I Know

Nobody who's left of center cares if the Republican majority in the House votes out a Bill of Impeachment against a Democratic President that can die in the Senate.

[HooptieWagon]

35. First of all, it neuters the president.

Bill Clinton got nothing done after his impeachment, even though it didn't result in his removal from office. He was so toxic Gore kept him out of his campaign.
Also, just because Republicans don't hold 67 Senate seats is no guarantee. A strong enough case could be made to persuade a few Dems to join in, especially if POTUS is abusing power and VP is relatively popular. This is what forced Nixons resignation...he was told several Republicans were going to vote with Democrats, Ford was an acceptable successor. So Nixon admitted defeat and resigned.

[jamese777]

36. Bill Clinton

got his highest job approval rating the same week that the House passed the Bill of Impeachment and he finished his second term with the highest job approval rating of any president except for John F. Kennedy.

"PRINCETON, NJ -- President William Jefferson Clinton will leave office next week with the highest average job approval rating any president of the past half century has received over his last three months in office, but with low public ratings of his personal character, and with Americans expressing mixed feelings about his record of accomplishments and what he should do in the future."-- Gallup News Service
http://www.gallup.com/poll/2125/clinton-leaves-office-mixed-public-reaction.aspx

Clinton Receives Record High Job Approval Rating After Impeachment Vote And Iraq Air Strikes

Despite the fact that he is only the second President in U.S. history to be impeached by the House of Representatives, President Bill Clinton received a 73% job approval rating from the American public this past weekend, the highest rating of his administration, and one of the higher job approval ratings given any president since the mid-1960s.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/4111/clinton-receives-record-high-job-approval-rating-after-impeachment-vot.aspx

[jamese777]

39. 41 to 1

41 Democratic Senators have endorsed Hillary Clinton; 1 Senator, Jeff Merkley of Oregon has endorsed fellow senator Sanders. 3 Senators haven't endorsed anyone. All of those Senators are also superdelegates.
It is unlikely that Democrats would vote to impeach the person that they endorsed and voted for to be the party's nominee.

[Juicy_Bellows]

37. 16 - the investigation this time is worse plus social media is much more pronounced now.

However, she said some nasty ass shit in '08 like the Bobby Kennedy remark.

[Garrett78]

38. Which of your spouses did you beat more severely?

[bigwillq]

40. 16.

She is just awful. Wipe it. With a cloth.