2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSuper Delegates support hillary, in large part, because they think
she has a better chance than Bernie to win. I don't agree, but that is immaterial. Aside from the winning thing, the vast majority don't want someone as progressive as Bernie in the White House. Many believe his economic positions threaten them, both from an election stand point and regarding fundraising and personal enrichment. And there is no doubt that many do get rich in Congress. Then there's this; although a Senator, he is not a member of their club and he highlights things they'd prefer to stay under the radar.
They still think that she has a better chance, despite her email shit, so why do you think that hundreds of them would move en masse to Bernie?
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)The Clintons reflect the historical status quo in DC in which obedience is rewarded with money & power, while crossing the powerful results in punishment.
People within the party are afraid of the Clintons. And the Clintons most definitely keep an enemies list and seek to destroy anyone who does not bend a knee.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)flor-de-jasmim
(2,126 posts)When Tulsi Gabbard resigned from the DNC, she reported that all sorts of people asked her if she was afraid to go against the wishes of the Clinton machine, knowing that her actions would make her persona non grata among all those supporting Clinton.
I think that if people perceive that the wheels are coming off the machine, then superdelegates will rethink the issue.
MineralMan
(146,345 posts)in others, their support is based on having worked with her and having great respect for her leadership abilities. Most of the elected super delegates know her to some degree, and also know Bernie Sanders. They've made their choice based on that knowledge, as well. Bernie apparently doesn't have a lot of supporters among his peers, which is rather telling, I think.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,919 posts)He doesn't make the same phone calls, he doesn't knock on the same doors, he doesn't surround himself with the same insiders who tend to all reinforce the same world view. But Bernie has always been respected by his peers for his integrity and his word - but by making different choices than those of most of his peers he throws their choices into question, which is not a comfortable match.
MineralMan
(146,345 posts)he will not be the nominee of the Democratic Party in 2016. Respect does not necessarily lead to endorsement when it comes to politics.
Trump will lose, because he is out of the spectrum that will result in all Republicans voting for him. A significant minority of Republicans will end up voting for Clinton. Enough to give her the win in November. Nobody's talking about that so far very much.
Now, some will say they don't want any Republican votes. They're foolish in saying that. This country wobbles back and forth regularly between electing Democratic and Republican Presidents. The one that gets the wobbly votes from the other party is the winner.
This year, that will be Hillary Clinton, due to the Trump effect. I have full confidence in that.
I predict a good strong Clinton win, including flipping a couple of red states or more.
cali
(114,904 posts)In have confidence in her ability to blow the big head start she begins with.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,919 posts)It's not enough if they believed Sanders was stronger (which most of them don't) as long as they thought Hillary would still likely win. For those Clinton supporting individuals to overturn a very likely Clinton pledged delegate lead they will need to truly fear that the wheels are starting to come off of her campaign - and then see convincing evidence to confirm that. If in the media over the next few weeks it all starts going totally to hell for Hillary in the wake of the internal State Department report - that just might be enough to do it - if her numbers really started plunging against Trump as a result. Short of at least that, it won't happen, and probably not even then unless another heavier shoe drops first.
elleng
(131,292 posts)I think. It was (and is) part of the way the Democratic establishment does business; hrc has 'clout,' and she and Bill have for a long time.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Bernie is not cut for the job
elleng
(131,292 posts)SHE is not qualified, and her lack good JUDGMENT is more and more apparent every day.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512067254
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512067584
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512051599
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2016/05/experts_audit_justifies_fbi_s_push_for_hillary_clinton_indictment
desmiller
(747 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)she is more qualified for the job.
msongs
(67,478 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Let's see how they're feeling by the convention.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)made that declaration before anyone else entered the race.
What's scary is that they apparently haven't read one single bit of political news in over a year.
PufPuf23
(8,847 posts)If Hillary Clinton was to drop out for some reason, I would expect the DNC and Democratic party leadership to try to replace Clinton with Biden or Kerry or ? and not Sanders.
The USA neo-liberal establishment favors Clinton and Trump over Sanders as Sanders would attempt to steer the USA away from neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism and there would be lots of grass root support but Congress would need a transformation for major impact.
IMO Sanders would do better against Trump than Clinton by 5% to 10% in general election.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)all about the benjamins
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)financially, their life would not change if Clinton or Trump became President
The same cannot be said for a Sanders Presidency.
onenote
(42,821 posts)As is Clinton. Why would anyone think Democratic party insiders -- people who have devoted years and considerable resources to supporting the party, back a candidate who is not one of them and in fact is attacking them?
Democratic Senators and members of Congress get to be Democratic party superdelegates. Bernie Sanders never has been a Democratic Party superdelegate. That should tell you everything you need to know right there.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)for Democrats across the country, and the fact that she's winning/won the primary voting overall, with a very strong majority of registered Democrats and overwhelming support from the party's base.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)people are so one dimensional now a days
Couldn't have anything to do with her platform, the majority vote, her abilities, her knowledge, her demeanor, long term building reputation and party allies, the length of time she has promoted and helped the Democratic Party etc etc etc, right?
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)Politics is sort of like that. I vote for your bill, you vote for my bill, maybe we'll listen to the constituents.
I like Bernie's constituents and the work ethic from that part of the country.