2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt was supposed to be Jeb's "turn," too. Can we please stop saying it's Clinton's "turn?"
I'm pretty much on board with all of the other rhetoric, whether i agree with it or not.
Email? I think it probably won't matter with the average voter, no matter how much Trump tries to make it matter.
Benghazi? The Benghazi "Committee" has reluctantly agreed that nothing more could have been done to prevent the tragedy.
Whitewater? Bill? Everything else on the list?
Probably won't matter, just like all of Trump's baggage doesn't matter right now to his supporters.
But it is not Hillary Clinton's "turn" to be President.
You don't get a "turn" for that job. It's not a matter of privilege and patience, it's a matter of earning it.
And whether you want to believe this or not, saying that it is Clinton's "turn" does not shed a positive light on her outside of the people who currently support her.
No one's going to "get behind" her that's not there already just because someone wants to romanticize and idealize the election by saying that she is a proud warrior who has "earned her turn."
I'm not buying that, and neither are a lot of people. It's naive, it's immature, it's clueless.
Thanks. Now pile on if you must.
bigtree
(86,013 posts)...having received more votes and awarded the most delegates.
Hillary's turn.
It's her turn, unless you're dying to have
that silverspooned baboon Trump as president.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)So if you want it to stop, stop doing it.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)If you don't like it, stop saying it!
TimPlo
(443 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)TimPlo
(443 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)TimPlo
(443 posts)When you say "No one but Bernie supporters say anything related to "turns"..." and then even one HRC voters says it then your statement is false. So maybe correct your statement than asking for different proof even further proving you wrong.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)DookDook
(166 posts)From the Wiki:
Philosophy professor Bradley Dowden explains the fallacy as an "ad hoc rescue" of a refuted generalization attempt.[1] The following is a simplified rendition of the fallacy:[3]
Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."
Person B: "But my uncle Angus likes sugar with his porridge."
Person A: "Ah yes, but no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."
TimPlo
(443 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)riversedge
(70,414 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)It's naive, it's immature & it's clueless to whine & stomp your feet & throw a temper tantrum just because the majority of people don't agree with you.
It's long past time for Sanders to bow out gracefully, maintain the respect & dignity he's earned & go on the be the Elder Statesman in the Senate.
History books are full of heroes who fought hopeless battles to the bitter end without ever losing their dignityand once-great men who ended their careers in disgrace. Sanders is on the path to be the latter.
brooklynite
(94,911 posts)My approach is: Clinton is an experienced candidate with mainstream Democratic values who has the ability and resources to win a national election.
Any issues?
rock
(13,218 posts)Who claim "we" (the Clinton supporters) are saying it. It's always the (well-named) BSers who want to set up a straw woman (he-he). Also, a common attack they use is, "Clinton acts like she deserves the presidency." Of course since she reached a lead of 3 million votes, I don't hear this one as often.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)how do people come up with this shit.
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NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I really don't recall it being a point of Clinton supporters. She has won and it's now clearly her turn to lead us into the GE. That isn't really a debatable point.
I have seen Sanders supporters regularly claim the "it's her turn" line.
Skink
(10,122 posts)And even elected a canidate who can win.
President Archie Bunker ladies and gentlemen.
TimPlo
(443 posts)Archie Bunker was a symbol of the changing times and a mockery of old time bigotry that the creator made to advance acceptance of other races etc... Trump is in no way a mockery of it but a symbol of it and how many people can be swayed by the act of blaming the less powerful for troubles caused by the 1% of the world.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)Its coming from Sanders fans and the occasional right wing commentary. That claim has been part of the narrative Sanders fans have been using when they try to explain why people would vote for Hillary instead of Sanders. They're just trying to convince themselves that no one actually wants Hillary, they're just voting for her because "it's her turn", or "she a woman".
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)I've never seen Hillary supporters say that stuff.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)They're the only ones using such rhetoric.
18 more days.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)So maybe you should take this to:
Bernie Sanders (Group) http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1280
Where it will do some good.
Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)The problems our nation and the world face are more severe than what her "Band-Aid" solutions can begin to solve.
It's "The Fierce Urgency of Now" + 8 years!!
Wake up everybody!!
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)Its insulting to Hillary to say that it is her turn. She's flat out earned it!
George II
(67,782 posts)....were non-Clinton supporters, indeed many Sanders fans are the ones who bring that up over and over again.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)I don't see Clinton supporters saying it's her turn.
I don't see Clinton supporters saying she'll reach 2383 via pledged delegates alone.
I don't see Clinton supporters railing against "class warfare."
And so on.
Might you find an example here and there? I suppose. But these sorts of threads make it seem like it's an epidemic. DU has assembled an army of straw people.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Seems more of a case of the Establishment's trying to ensure no one else got a turn.