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Related: About this forumSanders Isn’t Doing Well With True Independents
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/sanders-isnt-doing-well-with-true-independents/A lot has been made of Bernie Sanderss appeal with independent voters during the Democratic presidential primary. He has won people who identify as independents in state after state, while Hillary Clinton has won people who identify as Democrats. Some Sanders backers have argued that this will translate to the general election; they point to general election polls that show Sanders doing better against Donald Trump than Clinton is.
The problem with this analysis, however, is that most independents are really closeted partisans, and there is no sign that true independents disproportionately like Sanders.
Most voters who identify as independent consistently vote for one party or the other in presidential elections. In a Gallup poll taken in early April, for instance, 41 percent of independents (who made up 44 percent of all respondents) leaned Democratic, and 36 percent leaned Republican. Just 23 percent of independents had no partisan preference. In the last three presidential elections, the Democratic candidate received the support of no less than 88 percent of self-identified independents who leaned Democratic, according to the American National Elections Studies survey. These are, in effect, Democratic voters with a different name.
The problem with this analysis, however, is that most independents are really closeted partisans, and there is no sign that true independents disproportionately like Sanders.
Most voters who identify as independent consistently vote for one party or the other in presidential elections. In a Gallup poll taken in early April, for instance, 41 percent of independents (who made up 44 percent of all respondents) leaned Democratic, and 36 percent leaned Republican. Just 23 percent of independents had no partisan preference. In the last three presidential elections, the Democratic candidate received the support of no less than 88 percent of self-identified independents who leaned Democratic, according to the American National Elections Studies survey. These are, in effect, Democratic voters with a different name.
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Sanders Isn’t Doing Well With True Independents (Original Post)
ericson00
May 2016
OP
The fallacy is in trying to imply the Independents are stuck to one side and won't switch,
RichVRichV
May 2016
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)1. How's he doing with True Scotsmen?
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)3. I think that comment went over his head
LOL
6chars
(3,967 posts)2. That only matters if he becomes the nominee
which does not appear so likely.
pa28
(6,145 posts)4. Sanders is doing better than Trump or Clinton with "true independents".
At least according to the article following the headline.
RichVRichV
(885 posts)5. The fallacy is in trying to imply the Independents are stuck to one side and won't switch,
when in reality it has nothing whatsoever to do with Independents switching sides. What is going to happen is the Independents just won't show up for a candidate they don't like or believe in. It's not millions of voters that will switch to Trump. It's millions of voters that will show up for Bernie but won't for Hillary.
The entire premise for your belief is that the left-leaning Independents will somehow come around, or alternately millions of right leaning Independents won't show up for Trump either to compensate for the millions of left-leaning Independents that won't show up for Hillary. Those are suppositions and shaky ones at that.