2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumJeff Weaver: Barbara Boxer lied about feeling threatened
Bernie Sanders campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, said Tuesday he doesnt think Barbara Boxer is telling the whole truth on what went down in Nevada.
On CNNs Anderson Cooper 360, Weaver told host John Berman that he doubted the California senator's version of events during the 2016 Nevada Democratic State Convention on May 14, because of a video that surfaced from the convention. Weaver said it shows Boxer was definitely not in fear of the crowd.
I don't want to see Sen. Barbara Boxer walking off the stage claiming she's in fear of her life while she's contemptuously blowing kisses at Sanders supporters, Weaver said to Berman. No, absolutely not.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/jeff-weaver-barbara-boxer-nevada-sanders-223547#ixzz49dgCtvsY
Tarc
(10,478 posts)That's where we stop reading.
jane123
(34 posts)Tarc
(10,478 posts)The Bern's own campaign manager will hardly be a pillar of objectivity.
Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)I think I'll go out there and troll them."...said nobody ever.
Logical
(22,457 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)flipping the bird. Sorry but she was quite obviously full of it.
metroins
(2,550 posts)You don't usually get armed security unless there is fear.
But doesn't matter anyway, Bernies campaign is over. Jeff Weaver is just milking the last few dollars.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And it was her damned index finger. She'd been waving the same finger the whole time.
Weaver is an idiot to call attention to the whole thing.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Maybe not hers.
You don't know.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)pengu
(462 posts)They intentionally incited the Bernie supporters by cheating. Then they tried to make it a "Dean Scream" moment. Too bad for them so many are on to their bullshit.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)trying to paint Bernie delegates as disruptors.
TimPlo
(443 posts)from evil Sanders bullies. Once Clinton drops out because of FBI issue. The DNC corruption can not let Sanders get it no matter what. If he becomes POTUS there are millions of dollars that will be lost if he is able to change campaign laws.
riversedge
(70,442 posts)riversedge
(70,442 posts)Atman
(31,464 posts)...to people "throwing chairs" at me. I've always like Barbara Boxer, but her story does seem a bit exaggerated.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)or flip birds?
cui bono
(19,926 posts)stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Good God.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)CA Senator, Mr. Weaver. It's a winning strategy.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)about Bernie's campaign, they tell the truth and stand up for what is right even when it is not popular!
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)you've got there. Let's see how CA responds.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Oh, no. I just have a working pair of eyes. Eyes that saw someone who claimed to be in fear for her life blowing kisses and antagonizing the people she claims to be afraid of.
TwilightZone
(25,517 posts)Source? She didn't say she feared for her life.
Speaking of spin....
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)She was lying.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)will play well in CA. Not.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)She said she feared for her safety.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)She wouldn't be walking off stage blowing kisses and flipping the bird. This is obvious.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)It was. Unless she has 6 fingers.
I can't stand her but telling the truth is something we need to adhere to.
http://www.snopes.com/barbara-boxer-gave-bernie-sanders-supporters-the-finger/
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Like that with the palm facing themselves. No one bites their lower lip defiantly like she did when wagging a finger.
She flipped off the crowd.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)it's her index finger. Odd though, that's for sure
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Could be her thumb, depending on the angle of the shot.
Judging from the body language in the video, she flipped the bird.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)The hand is palm-up, when you point it is pretty much always palm-down, this was a flip-off.
fancypants75
(54 posts)She flipped the bird with her index finger because she knew she was being filmed, or as a way to self censor like saying "oh shoot" instead of "oh shit"? Does it matter what finger it is if the intent is the same? She's definitely not pointing at anything...
TwilightZone
(25,517 posts)one makes a point, just not the one one thought one was making.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)In tense situations, a person can respond in a myriad of ways. Often when one fears for one's safety, one makes a deliberate point of not showing that fear.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)but who flips their index finger? Odd.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)She could have been deliberately trying to act like she wasn't afraid in order to mask her fear.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)riversedge
(70,442 posts)Will the REAL Jeff Weaver please shut up!
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/24/1530154/-Will-the-REAL-Jeff-Weaver-please-shut-up
By Murfster35
Tuesday May 24, 2016 · 10:00 AM CST
.............But enough is enough, and Ive finally reached my breaking point. Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver really, really needs to just pack it in, shut the fuck up and go home now. His shtick just isnt funny anymore.
In the early days it was fine,...................
But he has steadily deteriorated in the last few weeks. A couple of weeks ago he was on MSNBC on a primary night. Steve Kornacki skewered him like a cow on a spit, dragging him over to the big board and going through the delegate math, including the remainder of the primaries. Weaver stood there stone faced, then repeatedly insisted that there was a path forward. When Kornacki pressed him to reset the map and show everybody where this magical path lay, he fell back om the same old, tired bullshit mantra of flipping the super delegates. How in the hell an insurgent, outsider candidate was supposed to flip long time, dedicated Democratic members (which is how you get to be a super delegate) was apparently a high level campaign secret.
Over the last couple of weeks, he has jumped with both feet on the conspiracy bandwagon, railing against the unfairness of the super delegate system, and claiming that the entire Democratic primary process was completely rigged against his candidate. Gee, sound like any particular GOP Presidential candidate weve heard from lately? Then he came out and directly accused the DNC of having thrown shade all over his campaign since the day Sanders announced, forcing Tad Devine to come out and disavow him, stating that for the most part the campaign had had very good relations with the DNC, and all the access they needed.
..........................
Last night Jeff Weaver appeared on Hardball with Chris Matthews and was nothing short of delusional. He continued to rail against the rules and the super delegates, but overlaid his desire for reform in future cycles with inferences that instituting those changes now could somehow overturn the current results. It reached the point that both Tweety and the other guest (I dont recall his name) were smiling at his almost constant self contradictions and inability to answer a question in a straightforward and honest manner. Even Weaver had a wry smile towards the end, as if conceding the fact that he was full of shit, but was going to through this one way or the other.
Jeff Weaver is clearly no longer either useful or functional. He is without a doubt a diehard Sanders loyalist, but he is no longer helping. What Jeff Weaver really needs to do now is to go home, soak a cool washcloth, go into a dark room, lie down and put the cloth on his forehead. Let people who actually know how to function in a reality based world take it from here, and thanks for your faithful service.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I can't take him seriously- he should quit
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)let's not forget that one..
let me add this before someone says - wheres the proof.. here you go
http://sourceplanet.net/politics/video-barbara-boxer-flipping-off-bernie-supporters-nv-convention/
TwilightZone
(25,517 posts)The funny thing is that it's even more obvious that it's her index finger in the screenshot of the video you posted.
TwilightZone
(25,517 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Smarmy.
MineralMan
(146,350 posts)bigtree
(86,016 posts)...caught in repeated lies.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)To flat out say that stalwart Democratic senator, elder stateswoman, well-respected member of the party Barbara Boxer is a liar.
I do wonder how some Bernie supporters can be threatening to boycott Planned Parenthood, calling Barbara Boxer a liar, harassing Elizabeth Warren simply for NOT endorsing Sanders, and in favour of disenfranchising millions of POC voters by flipping SDs to Bernie at the convention, and still claim to be at the vanguard of a progressive movement.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)so of course then she didn't feel threatened.
But why did the security guards surround her?
And how do you know who she was blowing kisses to?
Weren't there other non-Bernie supporters in the room: people who supported Clinton for example?
TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)This was orchestrated and intentional shenanigans. Boxer should be ashamed.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)and you think that the security team felt the need to surround her should be ignored?
Logical
(22,457 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)If you're afraid of someone you don't continually provoke and escalate.
She's a shameless fucking liar.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)She's full of shit.
vintx
(1,748 posts)She was not afraid at all, she's just yet ANOTHER liar
Seems to be a lot of hateful shameless liars associated with that campaign
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)And that Snopes article was disappointing, to say the least. That interpretation of a vague,grainy image was...shall we say "generous?"
vintx
(1,748 posts)Apparently that went over the heads of Hillary's acolytes ... unsurprisingly
TwilightZone
(25,517 posts)What do his gestures mean? Since it's no mystery, I guess his intent is the same as Boxer's.
vintx
(1,748 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Water is wet.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)People Bernie chooses to be around him. Incompetent, abrasive and out of touch with reality.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)JudyM
(29,294 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Only a dullard would suggest they are.
When we were kids this clown was shooting buck shot at us. We were shooting him the bird as we ran away.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)How shocking is that!
Boxer should be ashamed of herself. And that poor excuse for a Nevada party chairwoman is beyond words.
Apparently it's too much to ask for the party to run a fair election and do it on the issues. All they can manage to do time after time, is lie, pull phony stunts, trot out participation excluding technicalities, and rig the vote.
And then have the nerve to say, "we have the votes, she wins". Lol! It would be funny if it weren't so stupid, as well as dangerous in the context of Trump.
Thank you, Jeff for standing up for the trampled on truth! His articulate clarity, and no bullshit professionalism stand in stark contrast to the rest of this mess we laughingly call spokespeople. I wish we had a dozen more like him.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Why else would she have had the courage to do her "You're Booing Bernie, you're booing Bernie", and then proceed to flip off Bernie supporters like any self respecting establishment mouthpiece would do.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)wont somebody do something?
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Usually they keep better distance between the campaign and the dirty fighting. It's not seemly or presidential for such a close associate of the candidate to be calling a popular Senator of the same party a liar. Makes you wonder about the leadership abilities of the actual candidate. Jeff Weaver is a total train wreck.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)is lying. If he would place as much concern to the real problem of the actions of those attending the Nevada convention and correct the problems there then perhaps he would not have to explain anything. Quit lying, Weaver.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)Fixed it for you. YW
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)When Berman asked Weaver if he thought Boxer was lying, Weaver replied, I think if you watch the online video, it seems incongruous if somebody was in fear for their life while they're blowing kisses at that opponents. Yes, I think thats incongruous.
Demnorth
(68 posts)It's no surprise. He's biased, he has an opinion...pretty much as expected.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)nt
Uncle Joe
(58,524 posts)the crowd while at the podium.
Thanks for the thread, J_J_.
madokie
(51,076 posts)I used to have a lot of respect for her. Once a person lies to me I'm no longer a real friend whether it be in my real world or in the political realm