2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWe had better start thinking of the long game
I keep quite and read here mostly but the discord has really got me worried as of late. I was all for Bernie still am holding out hope the powers that be in the party change their minds. I see it as a 1 in 3 chance Hillary is in big trouble with the FBI. I say this with experience and knowledge of some of what's going on. She screwed up big time but it may be too late to fix it so we are stuck riding it out. What I see happening is she will get the nomination and choose a reasonable running mate. We had better think long and hard then get behind that ticket 100% to win in November. If the shit hits the fan come Febuary or March then the VP can step in.
The other path is we don't GOTV and Trump wins period we all lose at that point. It will take 8-10 years to recover think how long it has taken to get to now since Shrub left. Is it perfect nope not even close is it better I think so.
Hillary my still yet surprise us and pull through it all ,history has shown once in office her approval ratings go up. She may not be perfect but unless something changes she is all that we have.
So think it through think about the long game.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Time to clean out the fridge of moldy and useless garbage.....on both sides.
DVRacer
(707 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)If Hillary is president, 2018 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)This is an epic battle. Not just between Democrats and Republicans, or HRC against Bernie.
This is a battle of The Powers That Be against the democratic socialist.
Bernie is not just fighting off HRC. He is fighting off the 1 percent and all the leverage they can gather against him, to keep their own power.
And so if Hillary is forced out prior to the GE, the establishment Democratic Party will fight to keep him from ascending. They will want to slip in Joe Biden and a VP. And Joe and VP would beat Trump handily.
That would not be the worst thing that could happen to America. But it would not advance the progressive agenda in the way that millions of people have fought to do this year.
What is really important here is to keep Bernie's influence very high for as long as possible. He will fight against oligarchy.
DVRacer
(707 posts)HOWEVER....."when the American people will stand together, there is nothing we can't accomplish".
All 'round the world we see peoples standing in solidarity and defeating enormous powerful interests.
It just takes solidarity.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Hello President Trump.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)We have not even seen everything, and what we have seen is pretty damning. The email where she requests them to take out the classified headers and send information via unsecured fax is bad enough. Having Sidney Blumenthal chit-chatting back and forth with her over classified information when the Obama administration specifically forbid his involvement is bad, too.
I don't accuse the FBI of dithering, I think they want to have all of the facts locked up, and that there are probably some other things we don't know yet that they are attempting to figure out how to handle.