2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo Bernie wants to go on Fox and team up with Hannity and O'Reilly to attack Hillary.
No thanks. If he wants to make a campaign issue out of it, good luck.
It's 3 million votes and 270 delegates to make up, and he's losing in both CA and NJ polls. Bye bye Bernie!
TheBlackAdder
(28,237 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,718 posts)The race is essentially over. If FOX wants to have a runner up debate Bernie Sanders can debate Ted Cruz.
TheBlackAdder
(28,237 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,718 posts)It has nothing to do with an abundance or paucity of courage and everything to do with common sense. Secretary Clinton is leading a movement to prevent incipient fascism from getting a foot in the White House in the name of Donald Trump. FOX NEWS is abetting Donald Trump. Appearing in a FOX debate would only help him and them.
TheBlackAdder
(28,237 posts).
We all know FOX News is skewed 100% for Trump.
We also know FOX News is shown in the majority of business establishments and is used as the counter to left-leaning media. The goal of a Democratic Leader is to promote the Democratic views, and skirting that responsibility just helps to reinforce the fascist views that might just gain a foothold into the White House.
Avoiding fascism is appeasement, and we know how well that worked with Neville Chamberlain.
There was also comments how she would not appear on FOX News, several months ago, based on how they attacked her in the past. That is not presidential material, but shows a pettiness that is ill-advised when they hold such a market share and have influence spanning many news outlets, under the balanced news paradigm.
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,718 posts)She has nothing to gain by going on FOX. It would be vainglorious. She would be putting her ego ahead of the battle against fascism. That she sublimates it for us is what I like about her. She is our own Otto Wells. All people of good will hope she fares better than he did. This could be the last democratic election in the history of the republic.
BTW, I was just reading about martial law. What if Trump calls for martial law?
What if he calls for a twenty first century ersatz version of Germany's Enabling Act right here?
That cat is dangerous. I'm not playing with him and I counsel others not to.
TheBlackAdder
(28,237 posts)chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)That is exactly it. If she wants to hammer on Trump and his shortcomings, what better place to do it. She's avoiding anything that might make her look bad. Not very presidential.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)"That is not presidential material, but shows a pettiness that is ill-advised when they hold such a market share and have influence spanning many news outlets, under the balanced news paradigm."
Get real! People who watch Fox will not vote for Clinton anyways.
I'm glad she didn't go there. If it was Sanders that had decided he would not go, and Hillary agreed to go to Fox--then you would be praising Sanders for not going.
TheBlackAdder
(28,237 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)First of all, congratulations on posting over 1000 comments after only being a member here for just over a month. I must correct you about the teaming up part. Neither one of the two hosts you mentioned would probably even be at the debate, much less hosting it. Bernie would also not team up with them but nice try with the speculative mudslinging. Hillary did agree to a debate in California earlier this year so it is her that should be ridiculed, not Bernie. Perhaps David Brock could give you better suggestions if you asked him.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)spitting in the face of progressives is not going to get HRC elected POTUS. She needs us even if her supporters are blissfully unaware of that fact, all fat & happy in the afterglow of their presumptive primary campaign victory (that was a million times harder than it was supposed to be... ).
YouDig
(2,280 posts)And if you think that joyfully predict Trump's victory in November will get Hillary to listen to you, you're wrong.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Your response had nothing to do with what he posted.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)or honor her commitments.
She is nothing more than a wholly owned subsidiary of Goldman Sachs. Good luck with that in the GE... In case you haven't noticed, the natives have become restless with respect to Wall Street & Corporate America continuing to fuck over working-class and poor Americans. I don't see it ending well for HRC.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)but the special little snowflakes on Team Hillary specialize in giving insults, not taking them, so I try to go easy on their fragile little psyches.
They are in for a very rude awakening when the Far Right opens up with millions of dollars of attack ads on HRC. She's an easy target. Good luck defending her.
Bernie, on the other hand, DIDN'T go into politics to get rich, and would present a far more difficult challenge to the wingnuts. But go ahead, step right up and grab that 2nd place GE ribbon/trophy/certificate.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)You'll get over it.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,718 posts)Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)I fall more into the "I told you so" camp...
apcalc
(4,465 posts)riversedge
(70,381 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)I can hear the steel balls clicking...
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)An amazing portrayal of a man's mental collapse under the stress of war.
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)what a spineless weasel.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Everybody who has a clue knows they're a crock of shit. Only Camp HRC is still strutting around in "the emperor's new clothes".
YouDig
(2,280 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)pressbox69
(2,252 posts)In it Hillary and Bernie do agree to a debate on Fox News. Only instead of wasting time debating each other they ignore the questions and join forces denouncing Trump as the danger he is to America and mankind. Imagine the panic of the Fox news Trump quislings as they dive for cover while Hillary and Bernie explain to Americans on Fox News that a vote for Trump will mean nothing less than the downfall of America and the entire world. Of course this is just a dream movie. Such truth never becomes clear in the real world.