2016 Postmortem
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pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)Thank you so much for posting it.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)the young...who had not been much interested in politics...and the disposessed...a number of demographics. But the hope of a Bernie Sanders presidency... of a Real New Deal brought many of them out of their former political blase.
They aren't Bernie's to keep or give. It's his message...something our personality politics can't understand. If that message is not acceptable, yet again, to the unwashed masses, they will likely go back from whence they came...non voters disillusioned with a Rigged System.
Blaming Bernie is absurd. Unless it's to rage against his anti-Oligarchy stance. A term which most people didn't even know, let alone realize they were a part of. Now, we all know...even his detractors. Check out the Super Delegates, if nothing else.
No Peasants Allowed.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)be Bernie's to keep or give, but if he doesn't get the nomination, they will return to being totally disinterested in politics for another decade or so.
Unless a new party is started, a genuine, viable third party. I don't really foresee that happening myself, but it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)Here are the first five points:
Reason #2 The Myth of the Centrist Majority and the Disenfranchisement of the People.
Reason #3 -- In Response to their Diminished Status, the Democratic Party Moved to Protect the Entrenched Status Quo, rather than to Assure a Democratic Process.
Reason #4 -- The Rise of the Oligarchy:
Reason #5 -- The Oligarchy used their victory to abscond with the vast majority of the countrys wealth.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Exactly.
He has said, we have said, that it's not about him. But so many don't, can't "get it."
Too many can't conceive of not following "leaders" or conventional wisdom, or habitual patterns of behavior. Too many don't "get" that we aren't all sheep electing leaders to follow, but looking to elect someone who will work for us, with us. We don't work for politicians. They work for us. And if they don't, they don't get our support.
Supporting Sanders because of his positions and record on issues is not the same thing as playing follow the leader. We don't just shift our support to someone else because we are needy and can't manage without the faux security of a false leader to follow. We focus on supporting every politician who represents us down ticket, we focus on working outside election politics, within the party and from without.
I guess that, for those who have been conditioned by personality politics, by the idea that it's the president, and not the people, that matters; conditioned to fear and hate any outside their own narrow box, it's incomprehensible that there are people who are not moved by the standard, ritual bullying, the stirring of hate and fear, into shutting up, getting in line, ducking their heads, and doing as they are told.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)We're basically being given a choice between a fascist and an oligarch. Not a good choice, imho.