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davidlynch

(644 posts)
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:42 AM May 2016

Hillary Will Win the Primary and Lose the General Election

Once Hillary comes under full fire of the Trump slime machine, her negatives will be pushed to the highest of any presidential candidate. Combine that with extremely feeble support from alienated independent voters, and she'll lose narrowly in key swing states. Watch on election night as states like Florida and Ohio turn red; in fact, some formerly-blue states may be lost by a surprising margin.

There will be but one silver lining: this painful loss will vividly illustrate that 1990s-style triangulation, combined with the outrageous, dismissive attitudes of people like DWS, can no longer win elections. Yet, the Democratic party will continue to cling to these losing tactics until the bitter end, only adapting to the new world when inescapably forced to do so.


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Hillary Will Win the Primary and Lose the General Election (Original Post) davidlynch May 2016 OP
Berniebro wishful thinking. LexVegas May 2016 #1
But Bernie would be treated with kid gloves by Trump? Dem2 May 2016 #2
I wanted to mention that Bernie might very well lose as well... davidlynch May 2016 #5
Bernie will quash Trump Skink May 2016 #6
In my dreams Dem2 May 2016 #9
Wow. An original thought. NOT. Gomez163 May 2016 #3
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! You wish. JaneyVee May 2016 #4
I disagree with much of your post, senseandsensibility May 2016 #7
Bookmarked. Agschmid May 2016 #8
to appropriate an old Churchill quote: corkhead May 2016 #10
love these posts sweating the threat of Trump bigtree May 2016 #11
Two things Hillary is vulnerable with Iraq vote and trade yeoman6987 May 2016 #13
Actually she is not. It will expose Trump's hypocrisy when he attempts to use those issues. LiberalFighter May 2016 #18
you've given Trump undue credit on Iraq bigtree May 2016 #21
Keep your fingers crossed. JoePhilly May 2016 #12
Keep your private fantasies to yourself KingFlorez May 2016 #14
Sadly, I must agree mikehiggins May 2016 #15
It's really gonna hurt her when people start calling her names. Sparkly May 2016 #16
No amount of wishful thinking will make it so. Alfresco May 2016 #17
Politicians who percieve their are winning don't change their approach. HereSince1628 May 2016 #19
A right wing demagogue like Trump will be dangerous in the GE against any Democrat. pampango May 2016 #20
Hillary will win the primary and very likely win the General Election bigwillq May 2016 #22
Love your work, David, but you're wrong on this MineralMan May 2016 #23

davidlynch

(644 posts)
5. I wanted to mention that Bernie might very well lose as well...
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:47 AM
May 2016

In which case we have a completely new set of lessons to learn.

senseandsensibility

(17,201 posts)
7. I disagree with much of your post,
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:47 AM
May 2016

but I do believe that the Democratic party is on the wrong track. However, I don't think the "new" Dems care. Their goal is to pull the Dems as far to the right as possible, not to win elections.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
10. to appropriate an old Churchill quote:
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:49 AM
May 2016

The Democratic party will do the right thing once it has exhausted all other options

bigtree

(86,013 posts)
11. love these posts sweating the threat of Trump
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:57 AM
May 2016

...this one trumpeting the 'Trump slime machine' as the cause, while contradicting that prediction by insisting such a loss will be the result of Democratic party 'triangulation.'

I remember similar dire warnings about Obama in '08. The campaign isn't run in some little box full of whatever your personal peeve might be. It will take on dimensions of Trump's nonsense, but it will also be influenced by a united and strong Democratic party.

The other element is that the independents you're projecting, who didn't support Hillary because Sanders cornered them in the primary, will be free to support our nominee; and support her, they will, with a determination that Trump's republican party doesn't succeed.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
13. Two things Hillary is vulnerable with Iraq vote and trade
Sat May 21, 2016, 12:36 PM
May 2016

The Iraq vote she needs to fully apologize now so trump cat use it against her and trade she needs to explain why she likes the trade deals and how jobs can be had anyway. Those the the only two things trump has on Hillary.

bigtree

(86,013 posts)
21. you've given Trump undue credit on Iraq
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:41 PM
May 2016

...so much so, that I'm really not interested in worrying about that along with you.

I like the report today that says Trump made a deal to use 100s of foreign workers for his business.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
15. Sadly, I must agree
Sat May 21, 2016, 12:55 PM
May 2016

I think Trump has an excellent chance to beat Secretary Clinton, as much as I wish it was not so.

Of course, I am a Berniac but I am also a voter who has been active in politics for 50 of my 70 years. What I see coming down the road is a campaign of lies and smears and vitriol such as we haven't seen since the days of Willie Horton or even earlier, the Goldwater nuke.

Secretary Clinton? Her main strength is that she is not Donald Trump.

Not good enough, Madame Secretary. All of the strengths you started out with last year will be negated with ease by the Chump campaign.

The voting public does not believe what the Powers That Be are trying to force down our throats. Sanders has taken the role of pointing out that the Emperor has no clothes. The question isn't whether the Sanders supporters will vote for Hillary. The question is why should anyone?

She'll have to come up with some good answers if she wants to beat the Trump machine. I don't think she can.

Both Canada and Ireland have made mention of welcoming US citizens who will flee the country if Trump is elected. Sort of describes the situation to a tee, from my point of view.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
19. Politicians who percieve their are winning don't change their approach.
Sat May 21, 2016, 03:44 PM
May 2016

That's why the need to invent narratives that splain losing as winning are such a big part of politics.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
20. A right wing demagogue like Trump will be dangerous in the GE against any Democrat.
Sat May 21, 2016, 04:18 PM
May 2016

He sounds 'populist' and will alternately appear to be far to the left then 5 minutes later far to the right. And he says anything that pops into his head, some of which will appeal to almost anyone.

Our candidate will need to deal with a torrent of negative, personal attacks (and we thought they were bad in the past). It will be hard to argue policy with him since he is all over the map on almost every policy issue.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
22. Hillary will win the primary and very likely win the General Election
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:42 PM
May 2016

Seems like the election map, as of right now, is in her favor.

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