2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI watched Hillary Clinton’s forces swipe Nevada: This is what the media’s not telling you
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I had wanted to be a delegate, myself, but knew I was going to be out of town during the county convention in April, so I didnt put my hat in the ring at the February caucus, where I had served as a precinct captain for Bernie. It was my first election season in Nevada, my first caucus, and the whole process seemed wild to me, taking what was normally such a private experiencevoting quietly in an individual boothand turning it into a political game of Red Rover, people taking sides in a room, trying to sway folks to come over to their side, their candidate; it was a civil game in our precinct, but I could see how easily things could turn nasty. I was grateful my husband had volunteered himself to be a county delegate, and was excited when he got the email that he was chosen to be a state delegate, as well. Nevada has a strange three-tier systemHillary had won a majority at the February caucus, but more Bernie delegates showed up at the county caucus, negating Hillarys win, so the race for delegates at the state convention promised to be a tight one. I looked forward to seeing the process in action; I never expected that process would become so chaotic and surreal, although I had become used to surreal of late.
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The convention started out well the next morning. Everyone seemed excited to be therepeople were decked out in their Bernie and Hillary gear, smiling, passing out buttons, bustling about. I signed a petition to bring solar energy incentives back to Nevada, feeling happy that my son could witness this whole process, witness democracy in action. He and I found a place to sit on the floor on the side of the room as my husband took his seat in the Washoe County Bernie section near the front of the hall. The chairwoman, Roberta Lange, gave a rousing welcome, reminding all of us that we were there to defeat Trump and his misogyny, his xenophobia, his hate, his lies. The room felt unified, energized, cheering as a group; I felt inspired, felt yes, we can do this together.
It wasnt long before things took a turn. At 9:30, a full half hour before registration closed, Lange read the results of ballots that had been passed out to early arriving conventioneers regarding temporary rules for the convention, rules which would discount the results of the county convention (the second tier of the caucus process, where Bernie had won more delegates), rules which would require that all votes at the convention be decided by voice alone, and which ruled that the decision of the chairperson would be final. These temporary rules had passed with flying colors, which did not sit well with the Bernie delegates, many of whom had not been given ballots. Suddenly half the people of the room were on their feet, shouting No!!!! My son and I jumped to our feet as well, added our voices to the chorus. It felt good, all those voices of resistance vibrating through my body. I started to feel less like a cloud. I felt myself drop back into my body, surrounded by all these bodies yelling No!, feeling alive inside my skin.
Then people began to chant Recount and my son and I joined this call, too, throats aching, adrenaline coursing. Lange took the temporary rules to a voice vote. A hearty round of Ayes rose up from the Hillary side of the room, but when it was time for the Nay vote, the response was so loud, I felt it shake my every cell, felt it alter my heartbeat. The room was explosive with Nays, roaring with it, and yet Lange decided in favor of the Ayes, which only set off more yelling. I thought about my dad, how once when I was a kid, I wanted to do something and my sister didnt, and he said If someone says no, you need to listen. Lange definitely didnt listen to all the nos in the room.
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From reports from my husband and other conventioneers, and from my own firsthand experience as my son and I wandered in and out of the hall as the day progressed, it appeared that Lange didnt listen to much of anything the Bernie delegates had to say; she appeared not to count the votes from that side of the room; she ejected dozens of Bernie delegates who didnt have a chance to defend their eligibility, and who, if they were allowed to stay, would have given Bernie more delegates than Hillary; she didnt allow for a minority report; she cut off microphones when people challenged her.
When I read news stories about what happened that day, I dont recognize much of what is being reportedwhile there was plenty of chaos, I witnessed no violence (nor did my husband or anyone else I knew at the convention). Bernie supporters were not trying to change the rules, as some journalists reported: they were justifiably outraged when the chairperson changed the rules without a majority vote, and then more outraged when, later, after a motion for a delegate recount, she shut the whole convention down with a pound of the gavel and threatened arrest to anyone who stayed in the room. So many of the news reports of the convention feel like gaslighting in that regardstories trying to make it sound as if the Bernie delegates were a bunch of crazy nutjobs, when all they wanted was to be heard and counted.
I am not a Bernie or Bust-erI will vote for whoever gets the Democratic nominationbut I know many Bernie supporters who would have voted for Hillary changed their minds after what they experienced that day, and my husband said that even though hell vote for Hillary if she becomes the nominee, it will be hard for him to do so after what happened at the convention. At a time when Democrats should be banding together to defeat the most dangerous candidate I can imagine, we are imploding, ourselves, which is terrifying. I only hope we can pull ourselves together as a party before November.
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http://www.salon.com/2016/05/20/i_watched_hillary_clintons_forces_swipe_nevada_this_is_what_the_medias_not_telling_you/
This is a good read.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)and what I saw change was that many Bernie supporters are going to vote none of the above on the presidential part of the ballot; this author might not, but I think enough will that Nevada is looking more red than purple.
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oasis
(49,434 posts)So far it's been a losing issue.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...and manipulation just to make sure their candidate wins.
I'm gonna save that shitty little violin gif for ya... come Wednesday, November 9 we'll see if you still like the tune.
bigtree
(86,013 posts)...we strongly object to the attempt to steal Hillary's NV delegates through intimidation and disruption tactics.
Not especially keen on people here rooting against her in November, either.
RichVRichV
(885 posts)Prove your claim that there was any attempt by Bernie, his campaign, or his supporters to steal delegates in Nevada. There was no stolen delegates by anyone supporting Bernie. Hillary delegates failed to show up and register at the Clark county convention. That is all that happened.
QC
(26,371 posts)Things like issues and policies and stuff are, like, you know, for dorkwads!
oasis
(49,434 posts)is the disruption and rowdiness have damaged the image of Bernie's campaign.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Doesn't sound like testimony in OP was in 'fear for their life'. Nor is there any video showing such. Just Clintonian lies. Which is why millions of Sanders supporters are now "Never Clinton". She's burned the bridges.
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)sent letters with the wrong time? In April...and took delegates they did not win...you got exactly what you deserved in Nevada...and your we 'stole it first' is just silly.
RichVRichV
(885 posts)First off the email to the delegates didn't come from a Bernie supporter, it came from the party itself. Second off it was sent to both Bernie and Hillary supporters. Third it was completely accurate. Here is a copy of the email to the delegates in question:
Now here is a direct quote from the Nevada Democratic Delegate Selection Plan, page 8, 2a.
Oh look everything in that email follows the state parties rules on when registration is supposed to happen. The 3 hour mandatory registration time on Friday was met. The 2 hours before convention convened on Saturday was met. The keeping registration open until noon on Saturday was met. The dates were correct. Once again, the email was truthful. No one was lied to. Bernie supporters didn't cheat. Large numbers of Hillary supporters just didn't bother to register for the second round. That's why they lost it.
sturnz0r
(30 posts)Of claims being made by one side, and after a link or snip is replied, it is just crickets
It's just a shame that the supporter of the candidate with facts keeps on getting let down with this Democratic process
dchill
(38,578 posts)All the time. The truth is no longer operative (to paraphrase Ron Zeigler.)
kayakjohnny
(5,235 posts)None of your post have shown a lick of either.
It makes you look like a complete hypocrite.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Merryland
(1,134 posts)sending the exact opposite of kindness and love
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)BEYOND THE PALL! THE "FOX" TRULY IS IN CHARGE OF THE HEN HOUSE IN THE democratic party! The Party is full of cheaters like Roberta this old bag acting like a 7th grader! Truly a POS of ... THE FIRST ORDER! Hillary will deserve everything she
gets IF she makes it to November. The little people have ... FUCKING HAD IT WITH THIS SHIT! Fuck these assholes! i saw the video of Roberta's antics... (See Below!) Just as this writer described! Hillary apparently cannot prevail without ... twisting the rules, the circumstances or any other variable that might preempt her planned coronation as Queen of Wall Street! So we are just supposed to sit there and take it? WTF? They "played games" with the delegate voting here in Florida as well, ( inserting soft Bernie people who will go for Hillary at the first opportunity!) however nothing compares to this... OUTRIGHT THEFT OF AN ELECTION!
See ya in Philly ladies... It is gonna be a BARN BERNER!
Bernie Has The Fire And Is Competing To WIN The Nomination!
Roberta Lange.. "Choreographing" The Outcome!
ROBERTA LANGE Interview... She shows some real "character" here as does the "very capable" interviewer... sic
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)... That, and provoking an opportunity to smear/swiftboat...
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Crooked Hillary?
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The riot in Nevada broke the back of the Bernie campaign.
Only the white male angst rages on.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)It will be one of the few instances that I tune into MSHRC.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)after putting all of his remaining eggs in the California basket.
And even if he were to win California (by a percentage point of so), it going to be hilarious when Hillary wins the nomination on the first vote of the convention.
But maybe you won't find either of those thing to be funny. No sense of humor after all.
frylock
(34,825 posts)CA is not LA. Bernie has got this.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)I lived in the great State of California for five years; trust me - on freeways I will drive all over your lane any time I choose.
frylock
(34,825 posts)There is little to no support for Mrs Clinton round here. It's going to be a Best Coast sweeper.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)....if you did you would not imply that just because no one in you little circle supports Clinton, no one in the state does. California is probably has one of the most diverse political climates in the country. It could be broken into at least three states and virtually no one in California would complain.
But as an indication of how out of step your little group is, here are the results of the latest California polls:
KABC/SurveyUSA 4/27-4/30 Clinton 57 Sanders 38 Clinton +19
FOX News 4/18-4/21 Clinton 48 Sanders 46 Clinton +2
CBS News/YouGov 4/13-4/15 Clinton 52 Sanders 40 Clinton +12
Gravis 4/7-4/10 Clinton 47 Sanders 41 Clinton +6
Good luck to the old socialist in California - he is going to need it.
frylock
(34,825 posts)What do you think the Babsie Boxer shit show in NV was all about?
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Oh, oh...I know! Nothing! That will be because after Hillary wins California she will have cinched the nomination. (Heck, even if Sanders wins California, Hillary will cinch the Nomination that day.) You will say nothing because Skinner will flip switch and supporting Sanders will longer be allowed on DU and bashing Hillary will be forbidden. So you will either keep your trap shut about St. Bernard and muzzle you comments about Hillary or you will be shown the door. Works for me either way.
Oh well, all good things must come to and end. So you have until June 8th. So you have a little over two weeks left.
frylock
(34,825 posts)errrrr... 6/8!
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Hillary delegates voted for by the people of Nevada.
They rioted when their bold attempt at subverting democracy was stopped dead in its tracks by the brave chairwoman and Senator Boxer.
Chairs flew and bros were screaming BITCH at the top of their lungs at them and rushed the stage.
The hotel had to call in security to protect them and shut down the riot.
Then the mob went over to the Democratic HQ and vandalized it.
Later death threats were called in to the poor woman and her grandkids even.
It really opened the eyes of many Bernie Democrats who want no part of rioting mob action.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Might even get you a fiction writers award if you submit it.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)oasis
(49,434 posts)arikara
(5,562 posts)The pathetic lying is not working.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)So wait and see... Plenty of NEWS to drop in the next 10 days or so per NY Times yesterday... Should be interesting... Hmmm?
Uncle Joe
(58,481 posts)to vote and it makes no difference whether the real or perceived perpetrator has a R or D in front of their name.
Democratic Underground roots sprang from anger and in that case objects; eggs actually were thrown unlike Nevada where corporate media conglomerate fictitious chairs were thrown.
These would be the same corporate media conglomerates use of mass propaganda which enabled Bush to power in the first place.
oasis
(49,434 posts)Bernie surely want's to put the ugliness of the Nevada incident behind him, especially when it can only do more damage to his campaign.
Uncle Joe
(58,481 posts)one sided propaganda offensive against not just Bernie's supporters but Bernie as well.
Despite the fact that Bernie has always been a class candidate decrying or condemning violence in any form, unlike most other politicians Bernie even held his fire in attacking Hillary over her e-mails during a national debate.
This wasn't good enough for the corporate media conglomerates, along with Schultz and other establishment Democrats they wanted Bernie to wear sack cloth and ashes as well, condemn his supporters without acknowledging the unfairness and undemocratic/unDemocraticness of what transpired in Nevada and for that matter throughout much of this campaign.
Bernie isn't going to lay down for this and neither are we.
oasis
(49,434 posts)However "Let sleeping dogs lie" in this case can be applied to the (corporate media) dogs.
It's best to let them "lie" (intentional pun) chalk it up to experience, and move on.
The more the Nevada video is played, the more votes he loses.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)oasis
(49,434 posts)in the GE will find relief with the DNC, as they look back at the DNC's rejection of reprehensible behavior.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)that's okay with you I guess. Let's all be quiet and nice. Politics isn't generally quiet and nice but I guess of you think it should be, well let's all be quiet and nice while Trump wins the Presidency.
think
(11,641 posts)an actual vote or just ignore the calls for a recount , slam the gavel, and run for the exit?
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oasis
(49,434 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)primnickel
(38 posts)they made up all those lies about violence. Don't you know that cheating is alright so long as you make up lies demonizing the other party?
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)And even if he magically was awarded every Nevada delegate he would still lose the nomination by a healthy margin.
That's why it doesn't matter.
GET OVER IT!
cali
(114,904 posts)JudyM
(29,294 posts)Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)trudyco
(1,258 posts)and thanks to Salon for actually letting the truth be told at least in some sort of media. The person didn't mention the Barbara Boxer provocations, though?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)bigtree
(86,013 posts)...Hillary folks outnumbered Sanders supporters at the convention.
There is NO WAY that the Clinton folks would have voted with those yelling 'no'. This is sophistry.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I think that's what bothers the people who are bothered by the Sanders supporters' actions: this is (or at least seems like) a whole bunch of people who have never been to the rodeo before barging in and saying "your way is wrong; you have to do it our way". Which makes people defensive.
Uncle Joe
(58,481 posts)hearing and any convention that "works" like this will be disaster for whoever is holding it.
It all depends on what the goals of the convention are, if Hillary is so inevitable and unity for the general election is a major goal, why use such draconian, undemocratic actions which would only insure animosity and feelings of disenfranchisement?
Roberta could have easily allowed actual votes to take place.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)He picked up IIRC 4 delegates at the state convention because he had more of his people show up. That's what I'm saying: this actually is how these things work.
think
(11,641 posts)Please do show a link for that...
Nope. You can do your own research on how convention rules work in practice, if you actually care. I'd imagine the minutes of the convention are floating around the web somewhere, though.
think
(11,641 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)If you care, you can go learn. If not, you can keep stamping your feet that "the system is rigged" or whatever. Doesn't really matter to me.
think
(11,641 posts)The chair didn't ignore a call for a recount of the voice vote. It wasn't anything like what transpired this time and you know it.
Sad...
Recursion
(56,582 posts)So, you're getting warmer.
The "rules change" people are freaking out about was the rules worked out by the executive committee, which had equal membership from both campaigns.
The chair correctly ruled a recount call to be out of order, which is not "ignoring" it.
think
(11,641 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)After all, it was her first rodeo and she did seem to be emotionally... distraught.
But, tell me this, since Clinton delegates outnumbered Sanders delegates at the convention (mostly because Clinton actually won and partly because some of the Sanders delegates didn't bother to show up), how can Sanders delegates expect to win a vote, whether it be a voice vote or otherwise? Do they think they can just yell louder than everyone else and that will work?
think
(11,641 posts)Her father, a Hillary supporter present at the convention, ripped up his ballot he was so embarrassed by the cheating:
https://www.facebook.com/AdryennAshley/videos/vb.9583477694/10153761545822695/?type=2&theater
Recursion
(56,582 posts)But, yeah, I'm being charitable and saying "mistaken". People have a lot of balls in the air at once this time of year so I am totally willing to concede that she probably forgot.
think
(11,641 posts)Here's the video. Enjoy:
https://www.facebook.com/AdryennAshley/videos/vb.9583477694/10153761545822695/?type=2&theater
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)They're just a bunch of noobs
Bilbray practiced law and was deputy district attorney of Clark County, Nevada, from 1965 to 1967. He was then chief legal counsel in the Clark County juvenile court from 1967 to 1968 and was an alternate municipal judge in Las Vegas from 1978 to 1980. He became licensed to practice law before the Nevada Gaming Commission and the Nevada Gaming Control Board in 1970. A Democrat, he ran for the United States House of Representatives in 1972 against conservative incumbent Walter Baring, a fellow Democrat who was disliked by his party's establishment. Bilbray won the primary and was expected to win the general election, but Baring surprised him by endorsing the Republican nominee, David Towell, who upset Bilbray in a close race. Bilbray made a comeback in 1980 when he was elected to the Nevada State Senate, where he served from 1981 to 1987, and also became chairman of the Taxation Committee and a member of the Judiciary Committee. He successfully ran for the U.S. House of Representatives in 1986 for the seat being vacated by Harry Reid, who made a successful run for the U.S. Senate in the same election. He served as chairman of the Small Business Subcommittee on Taxation, Tourism and Procurement and was also a member of the Foreign Affairs, Armed Services and Intelligence committees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bilbray
think
(11,641 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)See it all the time on FB or in comment sections. Make some specious claim, and when called to provide evidence, draw the "do your own research" card. Clearly, you have done the research, so why not please share your knowledge with the group? It couldn't possibly be because what you claim never really happened, could it?
joshcryer
(62,280 posts)They were the preliminary rules used since 2008 that they simply made permanent.
think
(11,641 posts)Lange and an executive board secretly voted on rules two weeks before the convention to give Lange exclusive control
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/05/18/how-democrats-manipulated-nevada-state-party-convention-then-blamed-sanders-chaos
So there was a rule giving the chair exclusive control in 2008? Really?
joshcryer
(62,280 posts)That wasn't anything new. The chair runs the thing, if their judgement is in question the whole thing is chaos as we saw.
think
(11,641 posts)joshcryer
(62,280 posts)The politifact article mentions it.
I'm on my phone but this is easy to prove its a joke.
think
(11,641 posts)So in other words NO.
These weren't the exact same rules and some, most likely the ones being challenged, were NOT the same as 2008.
That's straight from the email chain.
joshcryer
(62,280 posts)think
(11,641 posts)In case you forgot....
From the email chain you reference:
On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Erin Bilbray wrote:
Roberta, Marla & Zach,
The eboard passed the attached election rules by unanimous consent. However these rules are not the ones posted on NV Dems. Please note that the election rules we passed had the eboard filing deadline this Friday, April 29th. The ones posted had the deadline today.
I am sure this is an innocent error. But please make sure we correct it quickly.
Thank you.
Erin Bilbray
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)and even if Sanders were given every Nevada delegate tomorrow he would still lose the nomination by a healthy margin.
GET OVER IT!!!
think
(11,641 posts)Instead of responding to that post you post replies to 2 other posts of mine making spurious claims and telling me to get over it.
Apparently you think that's a clever strategy...
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Your like a guy whose team lost a game 41-14 and he's bitching about a call the ref missed in the third quarter.
If you wanted to make sure something like this didn't happen, you should have made sure all of those Sanders fans at his Nevada rallies had actually showed up at the caucuses and voted.
It easy, your guy lost and what happened in Nevada didn't make a tinkers damn in the final results.
Again, GET OVER IT!!!
think
(11,641 posts)Roberta Lange, a Hillary surrogate broke the rules. Just admit it and feel the relief of being honest with yourself...
Wow, the State Chairwoman having complete control at the convention... what a novel arrangement. Were the convention rules followed? - YES! Did the Sanders delegates have the numerical superiority to win any vote... NO! So had there been a public vote at the convention "to give Lange 'exclusive control, would it have passed? YES
Look most of the Sanders delegates to the Nevada convention were brand new to the process. They were both out numbered and out maneuvered by more experienced Clinton delegates. In keeping with the Sanders meme that the DNC is not being fair to his campaign, the Sanders delegates thought they were being cheated and pitched a fit.
By all accounts the Obama delegates pulled the same maneuver at the Nevada convention in 2008 and the Clinton delegates never complained. Why the difference in reaction to the exact same thing? In 2008 the Clinton delegates knew the rules; in 2014 the Sanders delegates did not.
procon
(15,805 posts)There have been any number of news investigations into this sordid ruckus, but the rules haven't changed since 2008. The rules had been publicly available weeks in advance, and there were no last minute rule changes sprung on convention goers.
The rules, which can be read here, require a voice vote, and others that say only the convention chair can declare the winner, or call for any change in the method of voting. So contrary to what that ignorant woman says in her rant, or what any of you Sanders fans wish, the delegates don't get to to demand a separate round of voting.
Be brave, read the investigations. You have no basis for complaint, none whatsoever, because these are the rules, limitations and restrictions agreed to by the Sanders Campaign. If you are angry, then your displeasure should more appropriately be directed at Sanders, yeah?
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Maven
(10,533 posts)Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said Nevada Democratic Party leaders "hijacked the process on the floor" of the state convention "ignoring the regular procedure and ramming through what they wanted to do."
Caucuses and delegate math can be incredibly confusing, and the arcane party structures dont reflect how most people assume presidential selection works.
But the howls of unfairness and corruption by the Sanders campaign during Nevadas state Democratic Convention cant change the simple fact that Clintons supporters simply turned out in larger numbers and helped her solidify her delegate lead in Nevada.
Theres no clear evidence the state party "hijacked" the process or ignored "regular procedure."
We rate this claim False.
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AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)This was perhaps the watershed moment of the campaign when voters collectively said "WTF?!!!" This is the point where scales tipped irretrievably against Clinton in the general election proving the adage you reap what you sow.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)The only thing the ruckus in NV has done is turn people off Bernie. But the denial stage seems to be working for you.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)See you in CA and NJ.
joshcryer
(62,280 posts)Just like the hack, just like Planned Parenthood, just like John Lewis, etc, etc. They keep dredging up a dead and over issue.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)They were once liberal icons, but proved themselves to be just partisan hacks.
joshcryer
(62,280 posts)It's his fake supporters who lost their shit over stupidity that created that meme.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)The evaluation period is over .. Gone
joshcryer
(62,280 posts)stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)you might stop posting idiotic posts.
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)And we know that sending letters giving Hillary delegates the wrong time so you could steal the delegates in April...Sanders lost Nevada and has no right to any delegates... he should quit. He pulled a Cruz.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)n/t
RichVRichV
(885 posts)Prove your claim that there was any attempt by Bernie, his campaign, or his supporters to steal delegates in Nevada. There was no stolen delegates by anyone supporting Bernie. Hillary delegates failed to show up and register at the Clark county convention. That is all that happened.
If I keep challenging Hillary supporters on this lie maybe one of you will finally show the evidence that it happened. I'm not holding my breath on it.
apnu
(8,759 posts)Hillary's people didn't get their shit together for the county caucus and didn't show up. Bernie fairly got a few because of that. Then come the state convention, Bernie people couldn't get their shit together and showed up short, swinging the delegates on the floor back to Hillary.
"screwed up" more like, for both.
Tarc
(10,478 posts)Y'know, the voters? The people that showed up to actually caucus?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The news media are AWOL. They, like many of Hillary's supporters in Nevada, are missing the point of Democracy.
Uncle Joe
(58,481 posts)Peace to you.
joshcryer
(62,280 posts)The delegate in question clearly doesn't know what they are talking about.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)overturn the results. I can only imagine the outrage if the reverse was attempted.
onecaliberal
(32,949 posts)away, that is some shit.
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LonePirate
(13,431 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,481 posts)when many of her delegates didn't show up.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)I've seen in a looooong time. Like, Harlequin Teen Romance worthy.
All of this overwrought melodrama basically says, "the Sanders folks screamed much, MUCH louder. So why didn't we win??!!"
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)by the Clinton campaign.
I mean, really, you have so little faith in your candidate that you can't even run free and fair elections?
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)The dishonesty is clear - how can Clinton win the caucus and end up with more delegates? Even a small child can see how that can't be right.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)to them. That is, if you're honest. If you're dignified. If you want to win. I'll enclose a video for you. Is this the way to run a primary? Is this the way to win? Is this the way to have a unified party?
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Your like a guy whose team lost a game 41-14 and he's bitching about a call he claims the ref missed in the third quarter.
If you wanted to prevent something like this happening, you should have made sure all of those Sanders fans at his Nevada rallies actually showed up at the caucuses and voted.
It's just another in a long line of excuses, conspiracy theories, etc.
It easy, your guy lost and what happened in Nevada didn't make a tinkers damn in the final results for the nomination.
GET OVER IT!!!
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Where Bernie goes the Corruption is Revealed! A Vast Trail of Corruption to be dealt with is what we will be able to work against if it comes down to Hillary or Trump.
The Investigations of the corrupt Voting Practices of States will be for the Future with "Bernie Movement that will NOT Die but be Revitalized with the information that Bernie's Campaign has Cataloged and Curated during his Run in 2016.
Lots for us Lefty Progressives to Reveal whether it's Trump or Hillary...or if Hillary goes down over "Private Server" and Bernie can manage to WIN based on those who voted for him and our Dems finally having to Wake Up!
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Excellent accounting of what happened.
Thank you, Uncle Joe!
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)If anyone was trying to steal delegates it was Bernie supporters...I for one am sick of all of you.
panader0
(25,816 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)...that doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence in her observations since she has no point of comparison with previous election seasons there. Quite interesting anecdotes but a rookie's judgment is necessarily questionable.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Stupid comment.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)She wasn't a delegate yet took part in a voice vote:
And I don't see any impropriety on the part of the chair in this account.
Gothmog
(145,751 posts)Here is some fact checking on this issue http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/
The rules, which can be read here, also state that any amendment attempts must be approved by two-thirds of the convention delegates which would be difficult given the nearly even number of Clinton and Sanders backers present.
Sanders backers say the continuing nature of the presidential primary necessitated more rule changes.
The Sanders campaign did not respond to a request for comment. In a previous statement, the campaign detailed several allegations of misconduct from the state party, which we considered as part of this fact-check. "At that convention the Democratic leadership used its power to prevent a fair and transparent process from taking place," the campaign said in that statement.
However, there were no last minute rule changes sprung on convention-goers the rules had been publicly available weeks in advance, largely unchanged for three presidential cycles, and given to both campaigns.
The first major fight happened in the morning, with the convention being gaveled in nearly 40 minutes after the scheduled 9 a.m. start time.
In a voice vote, Lange approved adoption of a preliminary credentials report showing more Clinton than Sanders delegates. Immediate howls of protests from the Sanders contingent emerged, many of whom rushed the dais and started screaming insults and obscenities directly at Lange.
Although several videos from the event appear to have louder "nays" than "yeas," both preliminary and final delegate counts showed that Clinton supporters outnumbered Sanders supporters in the room.
And trying to determine the outcome of a voice vote from a video of around 3,000 delegates is somewhat arbitrary to begin with. The only person with authority to call for a different voting mechanism is the convention chair: Lange.....
Our ruling
Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said Nevada Democratic Party leaders "hijacked the process on the floor" of the state convention "ignoring the regular procedure and ramming through what they wanted to do."
Caucuses and delegate math can be incredibly confusing, and the arcane party structures dont reflect how most people assume presidential selection works.
But the howls of unfairness and corruption by the Sanders campaign during Nevadas state Democratic Convention cant change the simple fact that Clintons supporters simply turned out in larger numbers and helped her solidify her delegate lead in Nevada.
Theres no clear evidence the state party "hijacked" the process or ignored "regular procedure."
We rate this claim False.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Welp, there goes the Weaver narrative. Basically what we're left with are unhappy campers who got their asses handed to them and then tried to blame the state party. Thanks for finding this!
http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/
think
(11,641 posts)Her father, James Bilbray, a Hillary supporter, was so disgusted by what transpired he tore up his ballot.
~snip~
Bilbray practiced law and was deputy district attorney of Clark County, Nevada, from 1965 to 1967. He was then chief legal counsel in the Clark County juvenile court from 1967 to 1968 and was an alternate municipal judge in Las Vegas from 1978 to 1980. He became licensed to practice law before the Nevada Gaming Commission and the Nevada Gaming Control Board in 1970. A Democrat, he ran for the United States House of Representatives in 1972 against conservative incumbent Walter Baring, a fellow Democrat who was disliked by his party's establishment. Bilbray won the primary and was expected to win the general election, but Baring surprised him by endorsing the Republican nominee, David Towell, who upset Bilbray in a close race. Bilbray made a comeback in 1980 when he was elected to the Nevada State Senate, where he served from 1981 to 1987, and also became chairman of the Taxation Committee and a member of the Judiciary Committee. He successfully ran for the U.S. House of Representatives in 1986 for the seat being vacated by Harry Reid, who made a successful run for the U.S. Senate in the same election. He served as chairman of the Small Business Subcommittee on Taxation, Tourism and Procurement and was also a member of the Foreign Affairs, Armed Services and Intelligence committees.
Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bilbray
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Maybe he was fed up with the Sanders crowd? It sounds from above like they were kind of rude, doesn't it? But it isn't evidence of anything.
think
(11,641 posts)And it discusses how Lange changed the rules after the executive board had voted on them. It also shows Lange refusing to allow a minority report to be read. Enjoy!
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)There's a process and they refused to follow it. Why would anyone want them to run the government?
think
(11,641 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)think
(11,641 posts)Of events taking place.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)think
(11,641 posts)I'd expect nothing less from you.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)In fact, she is on the senior staff of that organization.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)'nuff said.
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)TrueDemVA
(250 posts)Bernie or bust. Why reward scum any longer. This primary should be a wake up call to all democrats. The party is against progressive ideas that shaped the party for decades. The party leadership are corporate puppets that hide behind rigged procedures and corrupt state party representatives.
A storm is brewing and is needed to wash these fools out of office.