2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf you are gonna be revolutin tootin against the Democratic Party and our Nominee
Expect some push back.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)boston bean
(36,186 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)And you appoint yourself judge and jury.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Posted just to piss off other posters. And it's all this poster does.
There is no judge and jury here, get off it.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)boston bean
(36,186 posts)Response to boston bean (Reply #7)
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cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)boston bean
(36,186 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)boston bean
(36,186 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)So, heel clicks, nose wiggles, voodoo dolls, elixirs, magic wands, and any other wishful bullshit are not necessary.
How about you? Reality, or soon to be reality (with a wish thrown in)?
Maru Kitteh
(28,303 posts)It's spring in Montana. I woke up to snow a week ago today and it was well beyond description.
For those hours, it looked to those who know not any better to be winter. It could be "proven" to be winter with photographs like this. But it is not winter, or course.
The snow melted away with the morning sun. It's not winter. And the world and it's people move forward. Step by step.
Time for change
(13,714 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)Push away the Millenials! The democratic party will never win another election with that attitude.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)There are others beside Millenials who have important issues that need to be considered. We need to work as a whole, Millenials, Seniors and everyone in between.
Dividing us into factions is not a winning proposition.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)fostering the hate...and issuing nonstop threats don't win points with the majority of democrats....if some of the millennials want to have trump as president...so be it....THEY will paying the MAJOR price for that decision
Armstead
(47,803 posts)"Nattering Nabobs of negativism...." -- Spiro Agnew
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)I'll be glad when that's done. Sanders is just the first move. Don't want to be a real Dem, there's the Repub party for that.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)Renew Deal
(81,803 posts)I don't know why people think that they can say all these terrible things about the Democratic Party and not deserve a response. Their perceived moral superiority blinds them.
Meteor Man
(385 posts)Those horrible children with their quaint moral purity expectations are ruining everything!
boston bean
(36,186 posts)Sorry.
Renew Deal
(81,803 posts)She correctly pushed Sanders off the pedistal and people respect her for it.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Hillary eventually discovered that threatening us with a Trump presidency didn't work. Clinton surrogates tried the bully tactic and that didn't work.
Now she's deciding to take a stand and attempt defiance, but that doesn't work either.
Eventually she will have to respect our decisions or I have to live with her disappointment. I'm not going to lose any sleep over her disappointment.
Renew Deal
(81,803 posts)"threatening us with a Trump presidency." This hasn't happened yet, but it will work.
"Clinton surrogates tried the bully tactic and that didn't work." I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but if you mean Nevada, the last few days have shown it's worked better than could be expected.
"stand and attempt defiance". She's not doing this. This is Bernie's tactic and he was just bulldozed.
You claim it is her disappointment, but it is really yours you are talking about. Not only do you not want her to win the primary. You don't want her to win the general election.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Filled with people like him.
I know that won't happen, so I'm left with the reality. The Trump has broken all the candidate rules and wrapped it up on his end. What has Hillary done?
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)But given the extreme crying about how "mean" Bernie has been to Clinton, I suspect you won't like the harder pushing.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Ya think? He ought to at least be a big enough man to own it.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Issues are usually what she runs from
When she isnt flip flopping on them
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)continuously and why would you or Sanders or anyone else expect different results? Really, seriously.... Why would any of us take attacks and insults lightly as they claim to be part of the whole.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)Okely dokely, I guess, with your tootin revolutin.
Martin Eden
(12,805 posts)That's how low some Hillary supporters have sunk.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)Ron Green
(9,821 posts)The Democratic Party "and our nominee" have been part and parcel of a move to keep government corporate- friendly. Trump's media circus is part of it as well.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)entered.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Seriously what the hell is the point of OPs like this? Trying to pull a Barbara Boxer and get the crowd all riled up so you can play the victim?
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)Unless I missed it, no one has reached the number of required pledged delegates, yet, to win anything.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)choose the nominee. especially not one that would use tax money to improve the lives of the taxpayers.
That money is earmarked for taxpayer funded Goldman Sachs bonuses.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)nt
rogerashton
(3,918 posts)Well, I for one am going to vote for the Democratic nominee whether you like it or not.
But -- push as many of us "back" out of the party as you can, and say Hello to President Trump. Your decision.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)barrow-wight
(744 posts)It's disappointing that some are going so scorched earth in all this. I see at least one call for violent revolution in my Facebook newsfeed daily. Then I go and look at their picture and think, yeah, not gonna happen.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)Oh, boy, another skewed history lesson from a 'progressive.'
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)So shove that status quo humping into the same closet as the presumptions about the convention results, lock the closet, and throw away the key.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Bernie is talking about what he will ask for at the convention so obviously even he knows who the nominee is
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)You should feel very little and very ashamed of yourself.
As for Bernie telling what he will ask for: it's what he has campaigned for. Glad to hear he still does that. He should get the nomination, so he can administrate it too.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And have been attacking Democrats for decades, think they can come into the Democratic Party as a minority and still dictate to everyone already there where the Party gets to go.
It's one thing to see the people outside the tent pissing in, and invite them in so they're inside the tent pissing out. But Sanders fans want to be inside the tent pissing inside the tent.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)And then Third Way, halfway foisting another turd on FDR values, has the gall to accuse Sanders' supporters of pissing inside the tent when all they do is turn on a water hose to clean up the mess.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And nearly half of the people voting for him will be supporting Trump in November. "Old-fashioned" Democrats, my ass.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Your ass should certainly acquaint itself with old-fashioned Democrats. And now that the old progressive left is once more alive and kicking, your ass (as well as DWS's ass and Clinton's ass and the rest of the assinine stable) they might all acquaint themselves with those living and kicking progressives.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and that's nasty.
Smears, unsubstantiated bullshit malicious intention. That is part of the political style and ethic that we Oregonians just rejected so strongly. Clearly we did the right thing.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)If Sanders fans didn't regularly smear Democrats, the Democratic Party and the presumed Democratic nominee as fascists, Nazis, Republicans and worse, and just as regularly use the same RW lies, the same RW talking points, and the same RW tactics as the GOP nominee, and if your candidate didn't intentionally draw a huge amount of support from people who hate the Democratic Party and everything it stands for & has ever accomplished.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)of millions of Democratic Sanders voters. I'm a Democrat from a family of Democrats. I live in a Democratic State that just voted for Democrat Bernie Sanders. You smear me, a Democrat, and my Democratic candidate as well as all who have voted for him, including many entire States.
Take a look at the returns. Any Democrat best assume and hope that most who vote for either one will vote for whichever is the nominee because if they don't our nominee can't win. To take any State from Trump that person will need both camps, not entirely but mostly. The way you carry on serves Trump's goals very well. Very. What you do is not helping Hillary, it's hurting her. It's not helping Bernie. It's helping Trump.
The very tactics you and bean are playing are part of why your candidate lost Oregon, Washington, Hawaii. Colorado. States that are not into that aggressive negativity that seems to delight the North East voters so. Congratulations on that, it was helpful.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)But they're the only ones subject to personal attacks.
Meanwhile you got Trump's pod people spiking the Dem primaries by voting for Sanders (like WV), and Sanders is happy to milk it for all it's worth.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)You speak of things not in evidence while I speak of the fact that you and the OP are insulting Oregon Democrats who just now voted for Bernie by 12 points in a closed and clean primary.
You and bean are denigrating millions of Democratic voters for not voting as you do. You are also taking endless personal pot shots at me. This is obviously a cover for the lack of substance in your ranting and raving.
Now go back to preaching about all the sinners you see around you, and how you are the only true Democrat. It's fun to watch.
Time for change
(13,714 posts)That's why Hillary has net favorability ratings of negative 19 to Bernie's +10, a 29 point difference. In case you didn't realize it, The GE is going to include a whole lot more people outside the Democratic Party than inside of it.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And he's made it clear who his choice for the next President should be. Clinton has unfavorable ratings because of the lies that have been said about her - something Sanders has never faced. If he was subject to the same type of propaganda, he'd be blown away like dry lead in a bonfire. Thankfully, he never will be.
Sanders has lost the nomination, Democratic voters have decided.
wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)primary. You need to stop smearing the millions of Democrats supporting Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders. You are smearing entire States. You are characterizing democracy as being against the Democratic Party. That's vile, bully child language.
East Coast political tactics are very often rejected out West as being just shallow and mean spirited. People who do not respect other voters are seen as people who don't respect the democratic process.