2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton to Californians: Your Votes Will Not Affect the Democratic Primary Whatsoever
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/clinton-to-californians-y_b_10053848.htmlYou heard her Clinton supporters in California... She is the nominee no reason to get off your butts and mail in your vote or go to the polling places and vote.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)This race has been over for weeks. However, it will be deeply satisfying to help put her over the threshold on June 7.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Read the NY Times.... It Is Coming... As is the rest of IT!
brush
(53,947 posts)Chicken Little, anyone?
YouDig
(2,280 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I think that's the one where the angel slays the dragon
brush
(53,947 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)It's denial like yours that is going to make watching the emotional breakdowns here quite entertaining.
brush
(53,947 posts)You actually think they are going to negate two years of a hard-fought primary race by indicting the winner of a major party's race when there is no evidence of criminal intent, and thereby give the election over to the opposition party?
Intent being the operative word.
Comey is a fair, sensible guy. He's the one who rushed to Ashcroft's hospital bed in the middle of the night to stop Gonzalez from getting getting Ashcroft to sign off on the NSA overreach.
He's not going to flip-flop history by gifting the election to Trump. BTW, Sanders, being from the tainted party. would be soundly defeated if such an event happened.
But not to worry.
It ain't gonna happen so stop dreaming.
frylock
(34,825 posts)brush
(53,947 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)And no, your name is not lost on me.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)You can't arrest me. Just let me go. It's all about intent.
To which the officer said, "Now I know you're drunk. Just get out of the car and put your hands on the roof."
brush
(53,947 posts)know by now since it hasn't happened, it's not going to happen.
Comey himself has said there is no time table for any conclusion to the inquiry (which means the cavalry is not riding to Sanders' rescue).
Multiple legal experts have said there will be no indictment.
What's Gertrude Stein's famous quote "there is no there, there", so you can stop praying.
It ain't gonna happen.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)and will detail many such violations, but given the extraordinary circumstances that it is more properly the role of the Attorney General to decide whether to prosecute. As the closest historical precedent is the case of John Deutch, Bill Clinton's CIA Director, the most likely outcome will be that the AG runs out the clock without convening a Grand Jury, and the President will pardon Hillary at the end of his term.
However, I think it would be unlikely that she is actually nominated as the Democratic Candidate for President. They have had plenty of time to prepare and implement succession planning. We will see that almost immediately after the FBI report is released. She isn't going to be exonerated, and the party cannot run an unindicted co-conspirator.
brush
(53,947 posts)being a member of the tainted party.
Trump would win in a landslide.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)If they handle the roll-out with some style and subtlety, maybe Humpty-Dumpty can be put back together again.
But, I am an optimist.
If I'm wrong, this whole thing is just going to go to shit in the GE.
Flighty McFlight
(33 posts)"I know you're drunk. Just get off the roof with the blow-up doll and put your hands on the roof"
Flighty McFlight
(33 posts)brush
(53,947 posts)Forget it. It's not happening.
And even if it did, Sanders, a candidate from the tainted party, would lose in a landslide, so you need to stop a wishin' and a hopin' for an indictment to happen.
It won't help Sanders or the party at all.
It would catapult the repugs into the presidency, the House, the Senate and the next 3 SCOTUS justice appointments.
moriah
(8,311 posts)It's going to be "Okay, where do we go from here to keep the tangerine troll out of office?" And start doing it.
I already had my vote, though. I don't like anyone feeling like theirs doesn't count for anything -- even if she is the nominee, Bernie supporters in California can still let their votes speak for the desired changes in the party. That's worth a lot.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)And as I just posted, HRC's folks are still phone-banking here like crazy. I finally got my ballot in the mail so the calls would cease.
brooklynite
(94,851 posts)...I don't think we've had a Primary that went down to the last possible State in decades.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)She will not get that from PR, VI and NJ, even if she won each 100%.
brooklynite
(94,851 posts)...between her elected delegates and her Superdelegates, she'll have enough by NJ. You're welcome to imagine that the support she has from Superdelegates won't last, but dreaming doesn't make it so.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)The nominee, don't you?
brooklynite
(94,851 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)I don't doubt it will be Hillary at this point. But she won't clinch it until CA.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)onecaliberal
(32,949 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)pinskinny
(82 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)of days before the election (remember 80% of Californians vote by mail). Then put out the word through all of her surrogates on every network and cable news show that her internal numbers show that she has a 40 point deficit. Then anything better than that will be cause for celebration...and she will certainly get the 100 delegates she needs to clinch the nomination (from all 7 states voting that day), so the celebration can turn to a victory for getting the nomination. Embarrassment avoided.
It's all about politics.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)She cannot secure the nomination with pledge delegates alone; that is a fact.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Everyone will know that she has the nomination when that happens. Why? Because there is no way that Sanders will get many super delegates. They are all party people. They are dedicated to, and dependent on the party for their very political lives. Even if Sanders hadn't spent the last few months disparaging them (and his supporters intimidating them), they would still support Hillary. The nail in Sanders' coffin was calling out the DNC and saying that he would continue to attack Hillary.
Yes, it may seem rigged to you, but it is actually what happens in a Party. People make commitments and know that in politics, their word means being able to continue to receive party support. It means funds for their next election. It means respect from the future president. They will not support Sanders. Sorry.
pinskinny
(82 posts)is gonna happen before the convention and during.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)her the presumptive nominee after June 7. That will mean she's clinched it.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I heard Weaver say today in his NPR interview that "Superdelegates don't vote until the convention." Well, neither do the primary delegates. Another #BernieMeme goes poof.
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onenote
(42,799 posts)but there wasn't a human being alive who didn't acknowledge that Obama was the nominee before the convention began.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)It's not impossible that she loses MT, SD, ND and CA but still get enough PDs to clinch.
It would be an awkward finish.
Renew Deal
(81,889 posts)Didn't work out so bad for him.
BootinUp
(47,207 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Should be in a couple of weeks. Both Feinstein and the DC Judge are giving out hints that it may not be the cakewalk she's come to expect.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)there are a lot of the Broletariate out here, so Sanders will do fine, but Hillary will pick up a lot of delegates.
I love how the best Sanders supporters don't think that any of the primaries that have already sealed the deal matter.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)My vote as a Bernie supporter does not matter to her and my vote in California does not matter to her.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Same old same old
NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)JudyM
(29,294 posts)jaceaf
(89 posts)As a Californian, we accept that as the greatest state in the nation, there are some downsides. We get all the nice weather, the great diversity and in return I grew up not getting anything live. NO Grease live for us. No, Super Bowl in prime time. And in the presidential election, there's no suspense by the time our polls close. It doesn't mean our vote doesn't matter. It doesn't keep us from voting. We have tons of senate and congress people to send.
And 3 votes for Hillary are in the mail from my household!
-none
(1,884 posts)And with the election frauds, exit polls not matching the vote counts and the voter disenfranchisement and funny voter rolls, they are probably right.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It is over for SBS. Was she a bit blunt about it? I like that she can be blunt.
frylock
(34,825 posts)That is going to make for some terrible optics, and Trump is going to run hard with that.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Oh wait.
frylock
(34,825 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Renew Deal
(81,889 posts)She could lose the state 100-0 and still win it.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)and 313 to reach 2026.
If she got none of California's 475, she could only get 306 if she won all of the remaining delegates.
#berniemath is real math. (Heck, this is simple arithmetic)
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)I shouldn't have watched that because it just reinforced why I am not a Hillary supporter. I finally shut it off when she used love and kindness on the question about her mother. All I could see were those Love & Kindness ads. In my eyes she is so fake. There were a lot of parts in this video that riled me up but I'm not even going to bother listing them here. UGH!
msongs
(67,465 posts)barrow-wight
(744 posts)barrow-wight
(744 posts)If she were ahead by 1,000 delegates, or even 2,000, would you say that she was saying California votes don't matter? If she were to bow out and concede to Bernie now, as so many have asked her to do, would you still accuse her of saying that California votes don't matter because she was bowing out before they got a chance to vote? She is saying she will be the nominee because she will be. Ever race Sanders competes in, he is falling short of the necessary percentage required to win, which in turn drives the require percentage up higher. I believe it's currently at 67% that he needs of the remaining pledged delegates simply to tie with Clinton and, unless he is significantly higher than she, I doubt very much that the superdelegates will switch, not with the increasingly horrific behavior going on towards Supers and other members of the party. If I were a super and saw how Bernie barely criticized the kind of behavior such as calling Roberta Lange's non-political place of work to demand she be fired only to add justification after his critique, I'd never, ever switch and I cannot believe that my perspective on that behavior is so unreasonable as to not be shared by any of those party stalwarts.
JSup
(740 posts)...it's the Huffpost style of thread titles; post it like it is a quote but don't put quotation marks and people will think it is a quote.
A lot of them are like so: "Politician To <group>: Drop Dead"
Mz Pip
(27,454 posts)Unless the primary schedule gets changed CA will continue to be irrelevant.
Until that time, this is how it works.
We're used to it.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Ten minutes of listening to her feels like an hour! And she never says anything. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)nothing about California, nothing about the multiple contested states, and nothing specific about what she 'saw' in NV--all of this doublespeak says nothing yet implies we the people are not even on her radar.