The Nevada kerfuffle wasn't actually violent

[hellofromreddit]

According to the NPR Ombudsman Elizabeth Jensen:

Donovan and I disagree on this; "violence," which NPR more often uses to describe events in war zones, seems too strong a term to me based on the evidence I have seen so far.

http://www.npr.org/sections/ombudsman/2016/05/18/478579787/fact-checking-nprs-reports-on-vegas-violence

[Duckhunter935]

1. The Hillary supporters do not care

The violence narrative is already out and they are happy

[Ohioblue22]

2. Yeah sure it was violence free except the name calling, death threats and intimidation

[hellofromreddit]

14. Name calling: not violent. Intimidation: didn't happen. Death threats: not on the convention floor

The death threats are serious. But the article is about what happened on the convention floor. You're mixing up events.

Boxer claimed to have been intimidated, but the video of her exit makes it clear that she did not feel that way.

Name calling is violent? You really think so? What the hell are you doing on a political discussion board; don't you realize what danger you're in?!

[bettyellen]

28. actually name calling other DUers is against the TOS here. But jurors are being partisan

assholes and letting them stand. A new system upholding the standards will be implemented when we have a Dem candidate. Cannot wait!

[Fresh_Start]

3. not violent just abusive

and threatening.

“At approximately 10:00 p.m. on Saturday night, the Director of Security for the Paris Las Vegas Hotel informed the State Party and representatives from both presidential campaigns that the property could no longer provide the necessary security under conditions made unruly and unpredictable. Paris Las Vegas Hotel security requested a prompt conclusion to the event.

[Fresh_Start]

6. wasn't fraud see polifacts

just lots of people who walked in with an attitude and didn't understand caucus rules.

[Fresh_Start]

11. it wasn't fraud...

and your saying it was...doesn't make it fraud
it makes you someone who is unwilling to look at the facts

[Fresh_Start]

15. The video doesn't show what you think it shows

here's the key fact that you are willingfully ignoring

A bipartisan credentials committee composed of equal numbers of Clinton and Sanders supporters applied the same rules to all delegates and determined that 58 Sanders delegates didn't qualify and 8 Clinton delegates didn't qualify.

All the other results follow because of that fact.


Again since I'm sure you missed bipartisan, equal representation, and same rules applied to both groups of delegates.

[Fresh_Start]

26. I saw the minority report

it was not produced by the credentials committee
it was not certified by the credentials committee

can I repeat that the credentials committee was filled by equal numbers of Clinton and Sanders supporters and they used the same rules for all the delegate candidates.

the minority report is an unofficial, unsanctioned power play by the sanders team designed to disrupt the convention.

[winter is coming]

17. Watch the videos. Politifacts blew the call. n/t

[Fresh_Start]

19. I saw the videos

and it doesn't show the story

it shows "a story" but not the whole truth

Again, the facts are not deniable.
Clinton had more qualified delegates at the convention.

Sanders supporters should be seriously pissed at the 400 sanders delegates that didn't show up

[winter is coming]

21. Clearly, you didn't see everything or you wouldn't be pushing lies.

buh-bye.

[uponit7771]

13. +1, they want to play with words now... that's a sign they know they're guilty

[procon]

4. A subtle distinction that is probably irrelevant to those who got death threats. nt

[hellofromreddit]

9. Nice deflection, but not relevant.

Yup, some assholes made threats towards Roberta. But that isn't a green light to lie about what happened at the convention.

[procon]

24. Sure, everyone is lying, everything is rigged, Bernie is always right, that's the story.

Sanders people don't follow the rule sand then they blame their incompetence on everyone else. That's been the pattern for Sanders whole campaign. He never takes responsibility, and his followers copy his lead and just blame someone else.

Go back to the earliest days when Sanders campaign exploited that software glitch to illegally and unethically gain access to Hillary's campaign data. In typical Sanders style, he lied and blamed everyone else EXCEPT his own staff who actually committed the data breach.

He says he's ready to be the president, buts if he can't even admit a fault or acknowledge his own problems, and refuses to take responsibility for anything, he's not prepared for anything.

[hellofromreddit]

25. Neat, but that doesn't justify calling the Nevada convention violent.

Now you're just complaining about random other crap to see what sticks. That is not how logic works.

[Bluenorthwest]

16. What is the legal outcome of those 'threats'? Was any serious effort put in with law enforcement

or was it all about running to the press with tales to tell? All this high melodrama I read on DU if true should result in many arrests and time in jail. But I don't hear about the police being involved at all, I hear about reporters and cameras being given all the testimony.
When someone claims they have been assaulted but says 'Don't call the police, call MSNBC' I doubt them and do so strongly.

[procon]

29. Is the FBI serious enough for you?

Newsweek, amongst other news sources, reported the police and FBI story. There were several threads on the topic over the past few days. I suspect any investigations where there are multiple incidents and both state and federal law enforcement is involved, it will be some time before the final outcome is made public.

http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-nevada-death-threats-lange-democrats-las-vegas-police-461342

[Art_from_Ark]

23. You mean, like Bernie Sanders got when someone shot at his campaign office?

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/jan/08/bullet-hole-found-at-sanders-campaign-hq-on-day-ca/

[ucrdem]

10. Sounds like the felt the #Fantasy:

NPR's use of the word "violence" and claims of thrown chairs in recent stories about Saturday's Nevada Democratic Party state convention have come under criticism by supporters of candidate Bernie Sanders.

[EndElectoral]

18. Clinton supporters insist a chair was thrown

[anotherproletariat]

20. All I know is the video that was shown non-stop for 2 days...the hate and anger in the faces of

those yelling obscenities to Sen. Boxer, and the DNC Chair. Those faces say everything to the people who watch it. Those are the faces I show to people as I am canvassing for Hillary. Those faces are changing minds.

Once they are on the fence. The finally blow is to play the audio of the threatening phone messages. Thank you NV Sanders supporters for the help!

[Bonobo]

30. So what the fuck was Barbara Boxer's "I feared for my life?"

How can that be viewed as anything but either:

1. Fear completely divorced from reality

or

2. Part of a sleazy campaign

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Narrative falling apart

relevant

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512010334