2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSickening: Bernie "willing to do some harm to Mrs. Clinton" to win California.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/us/politics/bernie-sanderss-campaign-accuses-head-of-dnc-of-favoritism.html?_r=0This is absolutely sickening behavior from a man who has to know that he has lost this nomination. If he was continuing to run to get his message out, few would begrudge him. But this is more evidence that he isn't a Democrat, he doesn't care about getting a Democrat elected in November, and this movement really is all about him feeding his ego.
Right now, I'm so disgusted by the way Bernie is handling things that if he does have the courage to stay a Democrat in the Senate, I hope the party does the right thing and reduces him to his proper level of seniority; the bottom rung of the Democratic ladder.
DebDoo
(319 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)They allowed him to run in the Democratic Party primaries, even though he's never been a Democrat. He had access to all the same resources that any other candidate has.
Meanwhile he has sued them after HIS CAMPAIGN got caught with their hand in the cookie jar; he has attacked the party as a whole; he has refused to raise money for other Democrats; he now is on a scorched earth route against the Democratic Party's presumptive nominee (since he can no longer catch up with her), etc.
Yeah, poor Bernie. He really is the victim here...
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The entire universe is against him!
I don't know how the poor fellow gets out of bed every morning.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)that's so rich I must ask how many pounds did you gain while typing it ?
riversedge
(70,441 posts)inspiring self. Yes, I did find him to be inspiring earlier in the campaign but with each passing day, he has become angrier and defiant--not a good presidential image.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Last edited Thu May 19, 2016, 10:26 AM - Edit history (1)
The victim, I should add, of having to compete in a primary state her supporters believe should arbitrarily be placed in her win column.
Ironic that you jump with both feet into a thread about how Hillary is the victim, claiming Bernie is a victim.
You funny. You funny guy.
Fla Dem
(23,875 posts)See DebDoo 2nd post in thread.
frylock
(34,825 posts)It's about poor Hillary's victimhood.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)skylucy
(3,747 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)It's sickening all right.
aikoaiko
(34,186 posts)I know Hill shills are upset that Bernie isn't dropping out and are now exaggerating anything to suppress Bernie's campaign.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)After the Berniebros were so violent in Nevada, now Bernie wants to "Harm" Hillary?
Harm her? As in physically harm her (nice hyperbole there guys). He is going to do what any candidate does in a campaign...try to show her weakness and why he should win. If that is "harming" her, what the hell have she and Brock been doing to him?
Harm her my ass.
Hillary camp is getting a little too scared. I don't think California is going to go the way they want it to. I sure as hell hope California "harms" her efforts to win this race.
gordianot
(15,253 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Too late. Hillary and her campaign are the reason people don't like her, and attacking all Bernie supporters as violent and angry will only guarantee her loss in the GE.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Hillary should be used to it by now.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)1. She should have dropped out earlier in 2008.
2. Nevertheless, it was a much, much close election, and she had far more reason to stay in at the time than Bernie does now.
3. In 2008 it was far less risky for her to stay in, since a Democratic GE victory was almost a certainty after 8 years of Bush. We're now on the other side of the pendulum, and a victory this year will be more difficult to achieve, so it's very risky for the Dems to stretch out the nomination fight, especially in the damaging way Bernie is doing it.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)She basically did the same thing Bernie is doing. There were many calls from political leaders and media for her to drop out as a lost cause, but she did not until it was over....The numbers don't matter because the perceptions at the time that she had no chance to win were the same.
The overall political situation at the time is also irrelevant for comparison. The meme has been that she will stomp Trump. There were no certainties in 2008 that made it "safer" for her to continue her challenge. People were just as nervous about it.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)I agree that Hillary should have stopped campaigning earlier in 2008, but she had far more reason to go on than Bernie does now. There was the issue of whether Florida's delegates would be seated or now, and she was far closer in delegates to Obama than Bernie is now.
And the situation was different. The country was suffering from major Bush fatigue, and the natural cycle was that a Democrat would be elected. Now we're coming off 8 years of Obama, and so the natural cycle would be to elect a Republican. So the risk of prolonging the primary is far higher this time around.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Or hiring internet operatives to smear her on social media?
Actually, he'll probably just talk about policy like he always does...how mean of him!
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Hillary is a bandwagon campaign with very few specifics so it matches up poorly with Sanderss campaign that is all policy.
They were losing early so they went on offense, trying to get Bernie into a defensive mode. We have been baited by much of it on social media but the Sanders campaign has stayed focused.
Btw, the ad that freaked out camp Clinton (Benenson: "Most negative ever...." was this one (?):
pangaia
(24,324 posts)What a dude. :> ))))))
arcane1
(38,613 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)Member since: Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:09 AM
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Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and passing up most working stiffs for the last 90 days too.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Still counting time in months...
Not exactly a long-termer, still looks like early days to me.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)quelle coincidence!
QC
(26,371 posts)I just saw another one who has racked up more than 3,000 posts since Feb. 28.
Now that is some hustle!
Even has 7 hides already.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)I would imagine it would bring about better job satisfaction.
Today word: Sickening
QC
(26,371 posts)That was at least imaginative and fun.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)today.
frylock
(34,825 posts)This poster is a seasoned veteran!
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)boston bean
(36,225 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)I don't think a scratch is going to matter on a bus that looks like this
Actor
(626 posts)was a liberal place.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Perhaps you're in the wrong place
Actor
(626 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Actor
(626 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Do you think real estate deals in Haiti are good things? Perhaps not supporting a living wage is epic? Then you might be a Hillary supporter.
'Nuff said.
Actor
(626 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Well Sanders is showing what a great "democrat" he is huh?
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Bill history of NAFTA and the end of the Glass Steagall Act, while she says she'll bring him back, are proof they both harm everyone! Except the 1%.....
Oh the contest is hurting Hillary, and it's Bernie, simply because he's in the race. Bernie has more integrity in his pinky, than all of congress and the Clinton's both.
Sending Chelsea out to lie....she HURT HER OWN CAMPAIGN.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Will do when a candidate without any integrity actually campaigns against her. Trump has no integrity, but the Hillary campaign has already used that against Sanders, so it will look REALLY bad if they recycle the same stuff against Trump.
Don't think for a second that Trump won't call her out for using the same memes against him in response to all the attacks she will face from the right that you wrote above.
One Black Sheep
(458 posts)Hell, I would be pissed too if I was Bernie, the Hillary campaign is acting as if all those millions of voters who voted for him, and all those states where he kicked her ass in terms of trouncing her in the vote, never existed or didn't happen. The Hillary folks running her campaign better wake up, and real quick-like.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)the attention it deserves.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Hell, I would be pissed too if I was Hillary, the Sanders campaign is acting as if all those millions of voters who voted for her, and all those states where she kicked his ass in terms of trouncing him in the vote, never existed or didn't happen. The Sanders folks running his campaign better wake up, and real quick-like.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,976 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)The heart of progressivism is responsibility towards others, especially the poor and vulnerable. That is why we believe in social programs, in not waging war unnecessarily, in civil rights, in responsible governing.
The GOP is about to nominate one of the most dangerous individuals ever to take the helm of a major political party in the United States, a man whose rhetoric echoes that of some of history's worst demagogues, a man who is clearly all about his own ego, and who has no idea of government, economics, foreign policy,etc. And yet Bernie's campaign sees fit to damage the only person standing between the world and this dangerous individual, just to satisfy his ego. He knows damn well that the primaries are over; that he can no longer catch up. But he's willing to damage our nominee, to excuse violent behavior in his followers, to feed their grievances, and thereby to risk the victory of Donald Trump in November.
I started this primary being neutral. I switched to Hillary after datagate, because I detected a pattern of wrongdoing-claiming victimhood - blaming Hillary in the Bernie camp. That pattern has emerged more and more clearly in the months since. I've lost all my respect for Bernie. I'm not a super-fan of Hillary (was and still am primarily an Obama supporter), but despite some mistakes and despite some policies I don't agree with 100%, I see in her a responsible human being who will therefore serve the broader progressive cause well. I don't see that in Bernie, especially now.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Bernie can't win anymore.
The only person standing between us and Trump is Hillary.
Think about that.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Think about that.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Did you poll Hillary's donors?
And even if they do, that does not change the fact that Trump is incredibly dangerous.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Politicalsanity
(6 posts)"Datagate" never happened, not in the way that you are attempting to portray it.
Yes, the database was compromised (by a member of Sanders' staff, who had been recommended by both the DNC and Hillary's campaign, and who was promptly fired from the Sanders campaign after the breach was discovered).
However, an independent forensic audit concluded that there had been no download of files from the database by the Sanders group, and that the DNC had been negligent in its security protocols.
bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)This stuff is out there already and don't pretend that it isn't.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)He's the only candidate in this campaign who is.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Get it through your Hillarite skulls: he's not going to roll over for you. Ever.
riversedge
(70,441 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)And she's done far worse. Sanders' only sin is a refusal to give up, and at least he fights by honest means.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Progressive dog
(6,931 posts)[link:https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/04/when-bernie-sanders-ran-against-vermont/kNP6xUupbQ3Qbg9UUelvVM/story.html|
riversedge
(70,441 posts)whole Democratic establishment--to his crowd. Lots of cheers.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)The list of sell outs from the third way people is very long and that is what many people do here, expose it.
The many cheers you are hearing from the Bernie rallies is from the facts and truth being told. If you don't like that kind of thing then i would suggest you go back to hiding somewhere people believe in lies they are being fed.
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COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)the alternate universe where unicorns run free and Bernie wins California by 30 points. It will all be OK>
obamanut2012
(26,181 posts)snort
(2,334 posts)Starting with: You work harrrrd for her money.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)I hope you feel better soon.
Giggity
(86 posts)There's nothing Bernie could do that would damage Hillary worse than Hillary damages Hillary.
Progressive dog
(6,931 posts)but you say he's failing there, too.
Giggity
(86 posts)It is entirely her own.
There has never been a Democratic nominee that has failed to manage the ridiculously low bar of not being actively disliked by the majority of the country.
Hillary is literally the worst Democratic nominee in history.
Progressive dog
(6,931 posts)but he must still be able to influence somebody.
Giggity
(86 posts)Bernie has every right to freely run for office via popular election and Hilliary's historically unprecedented lack of popularity is her fault and her problem.
Bernie doesn't factor into that discussion.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)What do you think your own 'candidate' has been doing for the past umteen months..?
THAT, my friend, is sickening..
Your last 2 paragraphs prove you have no idea who Bernie Sanders is..just none....
LexVegas
(6,121 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)PAthetic stench of desperation.
It's a primary.
Hillary knows all about campaigning
to the bitter end.
She did far more harm to Obama
with her dog whistles and extended
primary than Bernie is doing to her.
Embarrassing how tender and feeble
the Clinton campaign appears.
How's she gonna stand up to Putin
if Bernie is such a meanie?
dchill
(38,609 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,393 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)apnu
(8,759 posts)His campaign manager has fled, and so too other key staffers like his chief technology officer.
I don't know what this is about, but Bernie's chances to win Cali are sputtering, and he needs a blow out there, like 90% of the PDs in Cali, kind of blow out. Which isn't going to happen. At best Cali will be a narrow to "ok" win for Bernie. I think, if he wins, he'd beat Hillary by 10 points maximum. Not enough to close the delegate count.
frylock
(34,825 posts)That's the reason for the increase in Brockshit over the last week.
apnu
(8,759 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Winners act like winners.
apnu
(8,759 posts)If you don't have it, you don't have it. That's fine.
frylock
(34,825 posts)I'm gonna stick with watching Cali go for Bernie.
apnu
(8,759 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)apnu
(8,759 posts)"enough to win" won't cut his delegate shortage. He must blow Hillary out by 30+ points. Given his campaign is shedding staff in Cali either they think they've got such a comfortable lead it doesn't matter (very unlikely) or they're winding things down.
frylock
(34,825 posts)BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)Oh, please, stop. You're killing me.
Please, go cry to mama.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Discussing how Sanders' policies are better than Clinton's is harming her? But, isn't that how primaries are supposed to work? Candidates are supposed to win over votes by defending their policies not by having people whine about how their opponent is harming their chances in the GE.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Shitty, lowbrow subject line taking entire topic out of context.
You should work for The National. Enquirer.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)The National Enquired has more of an editorial/journalistic ethics and standard than the Hillary bought off media.
jillan
(39,451 posts)be the nominee.
We are fighting to the end.
Disgusting is the way Clintonistas keep belittling Bernie, ignoring his supporters and thinking that our movement is just a big joke.
I have zero respect for her and her campaign.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)But I didn't, in fact would not have believed, that the amount of coordination between the DNC, media and the Clinton campaign was possible, and I most certainly would not have believed that this ratfucking would be celebrated by "liberals" and "progressives".
Clinton supporters do not understand. Forget Clinton... the behavior of the party itself is making millions of americans reevaluate whether they want to be democrats at all, and reinforcing the cynicism of independents.
Don't worry, because of the malfeasance and assholishness of the establishment and their lickspittle toadies, elected Democrats will be reduced to that bottom rung.
Perhaps it's for the best. This party needs to be torn down and rebuilt, it's easier to tear down an already collapsed building.
Prism
(5,815 posts)Which is what this whole "they were practically rioting!" Narrative is aimed at.
Especially the Barbara Boxer business. "They called her the b-word!" Like Cali voters are going to rush to defend her honor.
Not so much. We like her just fine. I like her just fine. But if you think there's some untapped mass of Senator worshippers who will now activate to defend her in a raging voter horde, uh, no.
She picked a fight. She lost. It was a dumb decision.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Had a great deal of respect for her, in fact. No more. Her actions only serve to reinforce my decision to never join the Party.
Prism
(5,815 posts)She's done good things, but invariably being in a position of power too long leads to a disconnect and entitlement.
When I saw her, "I feared for my safety!" hilarity, I cringed. Oh, good lord, she just beclowned herself.
And for what? Hillary. People keep sacrificing their ideals, honor, and integrity for this corrupt politician, and I will never ever figure out why. She has all the charisma of a doormat.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,386 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)In fact, it seems to be the only thing she ever gets right.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)He's running against her and her politics.
frylock
(34,825 posts)She's got this right? Bernie is just toughening her up for the GE. Isn't that what Hillary Supporter always tells us?
frylock
(34,825 posts)Vinca
(50,326 posts)I didn't think that before, but his avoidance of the issues that will be raised in the general election hasn't done him any favors. It's clear the elites in the Democratic Party aren't showing much gratitude for preserving Hillary's stature. I doubt he'll let loose in California by any standard coming close to what the GOP is going to unleash.
JudyM
(29,294 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)it needs to be used, Mr. Sanders.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)when they are aware of my profession. I work with many men, who are never 'accidentally' called Mr.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)I'm sure that CLinton, DWS and Wall Street will officially eliminate it as soon as they can
Yeah, its' sickening that Bernie wins and Draws hurt her highness
IT proves what a lame candidate she is. Maybe you should be supporting a better candidate?
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)Horrible.
God forbid he use facts in his attempt to win a contest that is still ongoing, to try and beat her.
What the hell is he thinking? He should just make ads about rainbows and lolly pops and say nothing but warm fuzzy things about her at his campaign rallies.
God, you people are pathetic.
I thought HRC was the greatest thing since sliced bread? What can Sanders do to bring down the inevitable one?
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)he stands for are generally my principles, and I can count on him to fight for them.
I cannot say that for the Democratic Party at large, which has been shanghaied by corporate interests since the 1990's.
If the Hillary campaign would quit getting all hysterical about the race continuing for as long as it did in 2008, we could all breath a lot easier. It's what roughly half the Democratic Party wants, and I sincerely hope that Bernie fulfills his promise to take it at least that far.
If those on the Hillary side were really smart, and the winners they like to think they are, they would be making sure Sanders supporters feel understood, supported, and fought for. A whole lot easier and better for the Party than trying to redesign it or continue to redesign it around Republicans.
Is that what the Hillary supporters want after all - a Democratic Party that is pretty much like the Republican Party of the past?
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)and I'm not sure which is worse - the NYT for the misleading headline, or the OP for adding quotation marks so it looks like a direct quote.
If I'm wrong about this, and someone used that language other than the author of this article, please let me know.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)No one in the article is saying he's "willing to do some harm to Mrs. Clinton".
Nor is that an accurate transcription of the headline.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)NOTHING.
I thought she was tough and up for it.
If anything, Sanders still staying in the race is taking some heat off her right now or Trump would be all in.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)You have quote marks there. So let's have the quote.
Otherwise, it's hogwash.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Actually I doubt this happened, stop scamming DU. Thank you.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Advisers to Mr. Sanders said on Wednesday that he was newly resolved to remain in the race, seeing an aggressive campaign as his only chance to pressure Democrats into making fundamental changes to how presidential primaries and debates are held in the future. They said he also held out hope of capitalizing on any late stumbles by Mrs. Clinton or any damage to her candidacy, whether by scandal or by the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald J. Trump.
The above headline is not in the article. If you are worried about an aggressive campaign, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Trump will not be the gentleman that Bernie has been.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)makes her look bad that's her fault not Bernie's. She has enough stuff going on to make herself look bad.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)How dare Bernie focus on his own campaign rather than try to help Hillary with hers. Doesn't he know that's not how it's done. The candidate that is supposed to win must have help from her opponent if it looks like she might lose.
Time for change
(13,718 posts)1) The author of the article doesn't even quote anyone in making the statement about "harm" to Clinton. It is apparently an interpretation by the author, rather than anything that anyone actually said.
2) Clearly the use of the word "harm" is meant as political harm, not bodily harm.
3) I have never in my life seen a primary where all the candidates running were not willing to do some political harm to their opponent in order to win. Be honest about this. It NEVER happens, whether they honestly admit it or not.