2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOregon puts the "Bernie can't win closed primaries" canard to rest.
It was always questionable at best(let's face it, he probably had Massachusetts stolen from him), but it's now dead.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Where I come from, that's still considered to be a failing grade.
Maybe the teacher can put a cute little star on his results to make him feel better about himself.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Sanders was able to capture a 12% lead in the Democratic Base of OR and an equal portion of the Dem Base in KY. Truly amazing, because the Democratic Base was Clinton's bread and butter, which means his message has grown measurably stronger.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)That was never a claim your camp made against Obama in 2008.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)I mean, he's lost the primary. He won't be the nominee.
Sid
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)How was Mass stolen from him?
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)It's one of the last states to vote and at this point every talking point about the primary is irrelevant because it's just about over. It didn't even give him a big delegate boost.
Perhaps it wasn't even the closed primaries that held Sanders back, it was likely that Hillary Clinton was just a better fit for those particular states and turned her people out.
calguy
(5,348 posts)should put to rest any hope of him winning the nomination.
Sooner or later the BSers are gonna have to face the music.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,738 posts)Bernie lost this race months ago.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)That's not the big takeaway from the last several months. The big takeaway is that you can't win the Democratic Party nomination without substantial support from POC and women. Not with the demographics of today's electorate.
Oregon and Kentucky both fit the profile of a Sanders state.
Thank you. Demographics matter more that primary type. Open primaries are harder to poll, is all.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Such as in this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511460282
That's why many folks realized the race was essentially over by mid-March.
That said, I agree with those who say the Sanders campaign was never really about winning the nomination. It was a message campaign from the very start.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)on the false accusations that Bernie was indifferent to the importance of fighting against racism and sexism(even after Super Tuesday, when they no longer had any good reason to keep those particular smears going...and even though no one on the Left would ever be indifferent about social injustice).
It's not as though the Sanders campaign didn't try to win the votes of women and POC, and we broke even in those demographics among voters 30 and younger.
It is simply a lie to claim that the Sanders campaign ever, for a single moment, treated women or POC's as groups that didn't matter, or ever worked on the assumption that we didn't need those votes.
And it's not as if HRC ever actually offered either group anything better than Bernie did on her policy proposals. Fine, she had "relationships" with the old-line leadership in both communities, but she also spent most of the Eighties and Nineties stabbing the AA community and all but the most timid and corporate sectors of the feminist movement in the back, appeasing racist, sexist, classist backlash again and again(and never once publicly denouncing the right wing for false equating blackness with criminality, parental irresponsibility and welfare fraud). Every group has the right to choose whoever they want and we all accept that.
But If HRC does get elected, she will owe both women AND big-time and the leadership she courted will have its work cut out for it getting her to do anything for POC or for women who aren't upscale and white.
Based on her record, she will have to be forced, through relentless activism, to pay her debts to either constituency and to refrain from throwing either group under the bus when she feels it is in her short-term interest to do so.
We in the Sanders movement will be marching in solidarity with both groups when the inevitable protests occur.