2016 Postmortem
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April 12th:
April 29th:
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)Waiting.....waiting.....waiting....
George II
(67,782 posts)Those transcripts are just a smoke screen and weak distraction to evade real issues.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Hillary said she would release then when the other candidates released theirs. They have none to release thus it is time she releases hers!
Amazing how supporters excuse everything Hillary does!
George II
(67,782 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)What a silly response. No one else has to release their transcripts because no one else got paid to give them! What does she have to hit, since you propose that She is the best ever. Maybe the transcripts will sway me to vote for her!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)for this make up new rules and demand she complies bullshit, but thanks.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)You know perfectly well what I mean. Many would like to see what she has to say that is worth $200,000 or more. I can listen to Bernie speechs all I want and I DON'T give a shit what Trump has to say - we all know he is an asshat and idiot.
Clinton wants our vote - let us hear what she said to others.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)maybe that would work. But we know damned well neither of those two are giving up any of that. Nope- this is "new rules" from dudes who are not even following the established ones- lets see the taxes they filed. Like every other candidate that ever ran. That is SOP, speeches are not.
angrychair
(8,753 posts)Are you attempting some lame "red scare" tactics by throwing out the "Russia" and "South America" stuff?
First, it was not "Russia", it was the USSR at the time and it was on city business as mayor. Everything he did and said is public domain. Finding that information is a 5-10 minute Google search.His visits to Cuba and Central America (not South America) are also public record. Also a 5-10 minute Google search.
The only only paid speech that Sanders has ever given is available for view on YouTube. His free speeches are also available on YouTube. Also a 5-10 minute Google search.
You do realize that Sanders has been a sitting member of Congress for 27 years? Full disclosure of his financials, to include bank accounts and investments, are required by law and a matter of public record. Also a 5-10 minute Google search.
I would suspect that all the above information can be gathered in about an hour or so. It may take longer to comb through it all but I would hope that answers your questions. Have fun!
pandr32
(11,639 posts)Other candidates go beyond Bernie Sanders to include all candidates. Bernie has been playing petty politics with this and he has plenty to hide.
Maybe he should release the transcripts from the Texas Low level Radiation Disposal Committee meetings where Jane Sanders is a salaried member and Sanders co-ordinated with in Congress with his votes, or how about the VEDA meeting minutes where Jane Sanders also sits at the behest of her husband. And then what about all documents related to the matter where Sen. Sanders pressed a federal insured bank to finance the bad Burlington College loan while Jane Sanders was president of the college (and while Bernie was a sitting senator) and where an investigation regarding the matter is underway. Just for starters.
Now...about those taxes!
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)well said!
And bull that Sanders has never given a paid speech. Of course his taxes will show that one way or the other.
Why does he hide them if he has nothing to hide? He got paid by someone we won't like or he'd release his taxes.
He really is not a saint. Among other things he's obviously exceptionally full of himself.
pandr32
(11,639 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)She must release transcripts.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)she said that she would if everyone else did. Well, they have. So what's up, Hillary? Going back on your word AGAIN?!
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I guess we can assume they've done something sinister since that's what people assume of Hillary.
SCantiGOP
(13,878 posts)This year, Trump and Sanders have refused to release their taxes.
mac56
(17,575 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)and here is the information from the 1991 returns:
Clinton's rival for the Democratic nomination, former California Gov. Edmund G. (Jerry) Brown Jr. released a partial tax return Friday, showing that he paid $15,141 in federal taxes on an adjusted gross income of $117,340.
The Clintons' 1991 returns show that the governor earned $46,854 last year and that his wife, an attorney, earned $188,547.
The figure for Hillary Clinton included $13,466 in interest income and $11,000 in honorariums earned in combination with her husband. Her earnings also included $64,700 in fees for sitting on several corporate boards.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's important to immediately deflect from the topic at hand.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)VERMONT INTERESTED!!!
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)someone reset it, please.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)With 7 hides, not surprised you have nothing nice to say.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)What are you trying to say!
Am a voter! This is a primary!
Where them taxes?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Did you just join a few months ago? Do you have 7 hides?
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #42)
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Her Sister
(6,444 posts)http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-04-29/jane-sanders-our-taxes-are-being-checked-and-will-be-out
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)woah!
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Now 3 more weeks til June 7th!
Come on that's enough time!
George II
(67,782 posts)....from last year's tax returns?
Corporate666
(587 posts)that can only be answered by them releasing multiple years of past returns.
What are they hiding? They use Turbo Tax. It takes literally minutes to log in and print/download any prior year. The only reason to withhold them is that they are either using it as a bargaining chip or there is something in there they don't want people to see.
It's not the former as Bernie has never said he will release them if someone else does such-and-such. So clearly there is something damaging in there he does not want people to see.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)What gives with that?
George II
(67,782 posts)....Personal Financial Disclosure.
Where did you see anything about Clinton and a "financial statement"?
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)eh!?
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)It's a simple question. They released one year, what about a few more? How could it hurt him?
penumbra
(7 posts)It is ridiculous to ask for tax information before we have a nominee. It is quite a separate issue from Clinton's transcripts.
Are you new to politics?
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)new rules!
penumbra
(7 posts)Traditionally, taxes returns are released at the convention, not before and if at all.
Further, if Sanders and his wife are doing their own taxes, you can be sure they aren't swimming in cash or finding loopholes. Clinton, on the other hand, will need a small army of tax preparers and lawyers to do their taxes because they are very wealthy. Indeed, some of us would like to know if they came upon that wealth in ways most of us would think legitimate. It's an honest question that you find hard to understand, I know.
Frankly, I really don't need Clinton to release information on what she said in her speeches. Corporations aren't going to pay her big bucks to tell them anything they don't want to hear. In fact, she'll do nothing about Wall Street -- just as she always has. She'll certainly remain true to her past. So, those boring speeches are really a way to fund her campaign without having to worry about campaign finance regs and to pay, in advance, for her service to them.
So blathering on about Sanders' tax returns, repeatedly on DU, is ridiculous. The fact is that he's about as clean as a candidate will get and Clinton. . . is not.
If the logic in this post is too difficult, I can't help you.
I will not post again to this thread.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)You are a newbie! Right? Thanks!
13. Silly again
George II
(67,782 posts)BTW, we missed you.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)Response to Her Sister (Original post)
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Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Hope they can find their taxes and release!
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Which would make his releasing tax returns pointless.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Jane said "there's nothing to see there! So don't worry!" "Trust me!" "Release when they're due" "Sure sure"
April 12th, 2016
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)I thought the primary was over.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Simple!
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)If its of no consequence to you, what does it matter?
Fla Dem
(23,875 posts)He's making demands of the DNC and the HRC campaign. He has not conceded. He claims to be a person of integrity. They promised to release their tax returns months ago. They are breaking their promise. The lack of releasing their tax information leads us to believe he has something to hide. If he wants to influence the Democratic Party he has to show he does have integrity and hasn't profited by unscrupulous means.
If this was HRC you would be getting the tar and feathers out and concocting all sorts of conspiracy theories on why she didn't release her tax information.
That's why we care.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Clinton has been extremely transparent in this area.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)and now Trump too!
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)One more reason she did not earn my vote
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Still them taxes!?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And the Clinton foundation more troubling. The IRS would handle any Bernie tax issues, not to mention his financial disclosure records go back decades.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)QC
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Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Seems to be a lot like this. Not to mention long dead accounts posting over the last 90 days. What happened around then? Brock and the amnesty, mmmmmmmm. Could we have a new star member?
QC
(26,371 posts)is interesting, but I'm sure it's purely coincidental.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)She said she was going to release soooooooooooon! April 12th!!!!
Here! watch her giggle about the taxes!
snort
(2,334 posts)Let your imagination run wild for the 2015, like suddenly they're worth 150 million.
snort
(2,334 posts)uponit7771
(90,371 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)JS said over a month she was releasing soon!
And three weeks ago she sent to be checked before releasing!
Think soon we should see, eh! Before California!
Vinca
(50,326 posts)Anyone who can do simple math knows he's not going to be the nominee unless Hillary is indicted. I don't know why Hillary supporters persist with this. You only piss Bernie people off and Hillary requires their votes in November.
moriah
(8,311 posts)See below post.
moriah
(8,311 posts)Bernie will release his if he's the nominee, and I'm not worried they're going to be inaccurate.
Yes, the Clintons have all theirs in the public already, but (and no offense to Sanders supporters) if he isn't likely to be nominee, why make the push on him instead of on Trump?
merrily
(45,251 posts)enough to post.
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Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Well done!
/bye.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Geesh!
Another day before California's primary! As in the OP videos JS said she was releasing them soon! Weeks ago she said that!
What's taking them so long? Has anyone seen Jane lately?
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Has anyone seen or heard from those promised tax returns?
Joob
(1,065 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Look at the videos! in the OP!
Joob
(1,065 posts)First she said, she'll look into it. Okay.
Then she said, I'll release them when my opponents do. Okay, no more with speeches but her.
So why is this ignored? Why did she even say she'll release them? Why play with voters?
Why not just say no?
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Jane said will release soon soon, don't worry! A month ago!
These are the Pure Prog so taxes should no Prob!
Joob
(1,065 posts)Again, YES. I said they should release the Taxes. So I don't understand why you keep bringing that up.
Jane said she'd release the taxes soon. She did NOT say exactly when.
However Hillary.. SAID. She would RELEASE them When her opponents did.
She she said this specifically...
Why is Hillary's word WORTH NOTHING?
AND why... is THAT okay? Does she WANT her WORD to be WORTHLESS?
How hard of a concept is it to understand why the speeches are important? These were speeches paid by people who needed government bailouts. Paid to a person they knew would run for POTUS. One hour of speech worth more than what Bernie makes in a year. And again... IF it REALLY means NOTHING. Why won't Hillary JUST SAY NO?
AND why did she say SHE would release them? And WHY has she not?
It's irrelevant what you think when she SAID she would and still hasn't
George II
(67,782 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)The ones she said she would release when every other candidate had released theirs. . . and now that everyone else HAS released their transcripts. . . . and she still refuses to keep her word. . . all they can do is make up some stupid controversy, as if they are in any way equivalent.
No wonder no one trusts her, she never keeps her word.
The LEAST trusted of EVERY other candidate.
.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Forget now about them taxes! It was wah wah all I had! You took it away!
Bernie all the way!
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)It's all you've got. Oh, that and the smug.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Just get them out! ~as any serious Presidential candidate has done for years!
~as you said you were going to!
If their lives as are simple as they're saying and saying, and saying, so what's the problemo?
Besides Vermont the State might also like to see them too!
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)It sure looks like she is hiding something! Does she have family in the Caribbean?
Vinca
(50,326 posts)You must know something the rest of us don't since simple math gives it to Hillary. Is she being indicted? Have you got some inside dirt?
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)eom
Vinca
(50,326 posts)I love Bernie to death, but he won't have the numbers and it's highly unlikely he'll sway the superdelegates who are party insiders. I don't get the persistent Bernie bashing on this site by Hillary supporters. If you really supported her you'd be trying to convince us we should vote for her in November. She can't win without us, but that fact seems to escape you all in your fervor.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Internets! Books! all that... Am not holding anyone's hands.
Am a Democrat and ready to join with other Democrats against the Republicans.
Taxes? Unfortunately, only the candidate can provide....
Vinca
(50,326 posts)You really don't get it. The primary is more than a hate fest, you know, and it's coming to an end. You can stop with the snark and try to convince Bernie supporters to get behind Hillary or you can piss them off and she loses. Your choice.
Peace man or woman! Please go in peace!!
Don't hit your head! We need all them Americans!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)SBS should release and demand that Trump does too.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Hidden tax returns! SMH
One Black Sheep
(458 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Are those taxes coming or not!!!! Know they were being checked as of Tax day April 18th or around that! Hmmm!!!
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Jane said she would release taxes as it's expected from people running for Prez!
so nah!!! Attorney or not! Her words!
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)The demands for Hillary's speech transcripts are just as unprecedented as the demands for Obama's college transcripts were.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)I'm just stating a fact. In the videos she says she will release! Am just checking because it's taking long, non, eh!?
Trash or ignore as you will
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)TimPlo
(443 posts)"Since 1984, only one major-party presidential candidate -- Bill Clinton in 1992 -- has refused to release the tax forms he sent to the Internal Revenue Service."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3165953&page=1
Typically the Tax returns where done post convention. Obama released his earlier because he was hoping Clinton had some booboo in hers but she has too could of money laundering in the Foundation to get caught.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Hope FOX will ask them about them taxes! Why taking so long in releasing!
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/which-two-presidential-candidates-share-a-secrecy-problem-hint-neither-is-named-clinton/2016/05/26/abce571c-2384-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)The bill, called the Presidential Tax Transparency Act, would require a presidential candidate to release the most recent three years of tax returns to the Federal Election Commission (FEC) within 15 days of becoming the nominee at the party convention. If the candidate refuses to comply, the Treasury Secretary would provide the tax returns directly to the FEC for public release.
Let that last part sink in for a minute.
Sen. Wyden said, about the bill, Since the days of Watergate, the American people have had an expectation that nominees to be the leader of the free world not hide their finances and personal tax returns.
I happen to agree with him.
Sen. Wyden continued, Tax returns deliver honest answers to key questions from the American public. Do you even pay taxes? Do you give to charity? Are you abusing tax loopholes at the expense of middle-class families? Are you keeping your money offshore? People have a right to know.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Waiting waiting!!!.................
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Went to a Memorial parade and a Sports Game, but no time to release those taxes????
LWolf
(46,179 posts)That this is a big campaign issue is revealing. Clinton's campaign and her devotees have nothing of substance to attack with, so we are inundated with stupidities.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)I am! So I go on too....
mac56
(17,575 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Carry on!
mac56
(17,575 posts)Again don't obsess about it! and carry on!
mac56
(17,575 posts)Seems you rather enjoy it.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Thought she said over a month ago she was soon releasing!? As you can see from the OP videos!
What's taking so long?
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)She was in her home State! So shouldn't be that hard since she's not away from home!!!!
It's been over a month since she said she and Bernie were going to release more taxes than just 2014!!!!???
What? what? what is going on!!!
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)More than just the ones for 2014!!! Yay! Glad someone is asking about those taxes, and glad we got a response! and that BS and Jane Sanders will be finally releasing. Hope is before the June 7th!!!
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Really hope before June 7th! Do you think it will be released before June 7th>????
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Bernie release your taxes like Weaver told Chris Mathews. Its now "Next week".
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)VIDEO:
http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/senior-advisor-on-sanders-tax-returns-699507267583
libodem
(19,288 posts)Release the Wall Street transcripts.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Hey hey Hey!
djean111
(14,255 posts)You won't vote for Bernie? Bwahahahahahaha!
Oh, and no matter what any tax return says, many of us will not vote for a warmongering Third Way corporate shill. You know, the issues that actually fucking affect us.
You do seem to be repeating yourself, dearie. It is amusing as all get out, but maybe ya need an adjustment or something.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)eom.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)BS and JS you said yourselves and had Weaver and Devine on the record now saying you will release your Full Taxes! What's the hold-up! You are MR. Transparency, right, eh!?
brooklynite
(94,950 posts)...apparently Jane is just too busy to make copies (I suppose she could have skipped the trip to Rome, but why spoil a nice vacation?). But never fear; they'll be heading back to Vermont on Wednesday.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)from Goldman Sachs, and then refusing to tell the world what they got for their money.
Bernie did release a tax return (for 2014). Hillary has not even released one speech.
She has something to hide.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)136. Damn tax returns ARE TRIVIAL COMPARED TO GETTING $675,000
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from Goldman Sachs, and then refusing to tell the world what they got for their money.
Bernie did release a tax return (for 2014). Hillary has not even released one speech.
She has something to hide.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Your beloved Hillary has RELEASED NO (REPEAT NO) SPEECH TRANSCRIPTS!!
She has something to hide. Worst part is, you don't mind that she's been paid off by Goldman Sachs.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Hillary's Goldman Sachs speech: "10,000 Women: Proving the Case for Women Entrepreneurs"
By PurplePower
Saturday Feb 06, 2016 · 6:40 PM EST
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/6/1481011/-Hillary-s-Goldman-Sachs-speech-10-000-Women-Proving-the-Case-for-Women-Entrepreneurs
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)That was not a Goldman Sachs speech. It did not take place at Goldman Sachs.
It was a Clinton Global Initiative speech.
On September 23, 2014, Goldman Sachs 10,000 Women hosted its annual dinner at the Clinton Global Initiative. (from the Youtube video).
In the fall of 2013, Hillary Clinton gave three speeches to executives of Goldman Sachs, and she has repeatedly refused requests to make the text of those speeches public. Clinton was paid a total of $675,000 from http://thedailybanter.com/2016/04/why-hillary-clintons-wall-st-speeches-are-so-troubling/#!
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)BS we cannot have candidates breaking this transparency rule! You are opening and making it easier for people like TRUMP!!!! to not follow transparency when it comes to Tax returns!
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)See he's going to the convention. Am sure the people of D.C. would like to see them before voting!
B Calm
(28,762 posts)to the speech she gave to the crooks. Bernie's taxes is the least of my concerns.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)I posted video after video in the OP and throughout this thread of them saying so! HMMMMM!?
B Calm
(28,762 posts)to the Wall Street Banksters!
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)This is my thread about them taxes!
Release of taxes are expected.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Enjoy it for a little while longer, Skinner is about to crack down on these types of OP's.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)eom.
djean111
(14,255 posts)what you blather on about? Hmmmmm?
This is like low-rent performance art, at this point.
Oh, and it's all about the ISSUES that affect our lives.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Very weird that Sanders is not wanting to be transparent in this area where Presidential candidates are expected to be. This helps people like Trump continue his con. Not good!
B Calm
(28,762 posts)also are replying to yourself too.
Mike Nelson
(9,984 posts)...they should keep stalling. There is something to hide, obviously, so why tarnish Bernie's reputation and image? The winning side did not push "taxes, taxes, taxes!" but the losing side did ("transcripts, transcripts, transcripts") . There's a lesson there.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Wondering what happened?
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Poking my head and checking about those taxes since they said numerous times they were releasing! Am wondering if they meant to do so at any time? This is just baffling!
Vinca
(50,326 posts)Why do you want to see his taxes since he LOST? Surely there must be something more productive to discuss about the election and the candidates who will be on the ballot in November.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Why did they and their surrogates say on the record that they were releasing, if they weren't?
Vinca
(50,326 posts)underworld connections. Did you know Bernie was in the mafia in a previous life and Jane ran a brothel? I'm sure the taxes will tell the truth about the clandestine drug operation and fencing scheme. JC on a cracker. You guys need to get a grip.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Love your non-answer!
Vinca
(50,326 posts)Since Bernie isn't running in November and you aren't running in November, would you kindly post your tax returns so we can look at them?
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Morning JoeVerified account
?@Morning_Joe
Video here: https://twitter.com/Morning_Joe/status/743773120465559553
Glad, you asked, but yes he is!!! Yes he is yes he is yes he is...
Vinca
(50,326 posts)I do not understand the obsessive nature of Bernie hate among Hillary supporters. You guys won, but that apparently isn't good enough for you. Should be plan a tar and feathering for Bernie or what?
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)That is a fact. He is still running as per Weaver. So that seems to be a fact too.
Vinca
(50,326 posts)In a few weeks you can erase the name Sanders from your mind forever and ever and ever. Now . . . do us all a favor and start worrying about how we beat a lunatic.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Guess too busy with the Holiday! But maybe tomorrow we can get the taxes finally as promised. Crossing fingers.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)And while we're at it, the fucking transcripts, too.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)They said they would release their taxes. The primary is over and they still have not.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)We'd get the 2018 budget in 2022 or so.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)No primaries, no rallies, no podcasts, getting back to work, think voting going on today, FEC filing due... Any time to release those taxes?