2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders is getting creamed in the media.
It's a feeding frenzy at MSNBC and CNN, there's blood in the water. The news show hosts are nailing him to the wall, all their reporters and guests are piling. He catching a lot of bad PR mojo about his weak response the the Nevada incident.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Ratfucked
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)MAYBE.
Exposing Sanders' for what he is is not 'ratfucking'.
Exposing Sanders supporters who engage in mob behavior is not "ratfucking'.
Pointing out how inappropriate Sanders' response to that mob behavior is not 'ratfucking'.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)Maybe this will ease-up on the bias against Hillary now that they're less biased for him after his violence.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)confirmed about as much rat fucking that can happen without a series of rats sitting around the television wanking.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)BootinUp
(47,211 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)I, too, welcome the contempt of the corporate media.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...are they even mentioning why they were upset?
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)They were effectively barred from the convention. They were mad because they couldn't overturn the people's vote.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...because these people also participated at the county level, which REQUIRES you to be registered as a Democrat. So, prior to May 1st they HAD to be registered Dems or they wouldn't have been eligible at the county level.
Nice try, though.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)They were subject additional scrutiny like all delegates at the convention. Somehow they failed to provide the evidence. Leading to a reasonable person to believe they somehow circumvented the verification process in their prior efforts or were not checked properly.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...so all 64 of them fooled every checker at the county level? It's reasonable for a person who passed the credentials check at one level not to expect trouble at the next level. What's telling is 58 of them weren't even given the opportunity to defend themselves. I know you're OK with this because it means things went your way, I just hope you're never on the receiving end of it.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)They were all notified that their status as Democrats need additional evidence prior to the convention. They did not defend themselves when given the opportunity. They chose to ignore the request.
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hack89
(39,171 posts)Including the co-chair. Notice that they are not complaining?
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,299 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)and the actions of Sanders people on the floor. Then Sanders feeble response make him look weak and indecisive in not strongly condemning his violent fans. Howard Dean was really critical, and Joy Reed as well. Its going to very hard for Sanders to unwind this mess if he doesn't act fast
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...or are they ignoring what started everything? It's not like they just showed up for a fight...and there wasn't even a fight. There was yelling, but that's it.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)They tried to cheat the system and got caught and then got mad.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)* On Saturday at the State Convention, after all of the alternates were seated, Hillary Clinton filled 1,695 of her delegate slots and Bernie Sanders only filled 1,662 at the State Convention giving Clinton a 33-delegate margin of victory.
* Clinton only had 27 delegate positions vacant on Saturday. Sanders left 462 vacant. Clinton filled 98 percent of her available delegate slots at the State Convention, and Sanders only filled 78 percent of his available delegate slots.
* In plain terms, the Clinton campaign organized and got nearly all of their delegates to the State Convention. The Sanders campaign did not.
* The remaining potential delegates were ineligible for two main reasons: 1) They were not registered Democratic voters in Nevada by May 1, 2016, and 2) Their information such as address, date of birth and name could not be found or identified, and they did not respond to requests from the party and campaigns to correct it.
* Only eight of the ineligible delegates even attempted to register at the State Convention.
* The so-called minority report about these ineligible delegates was not written by the Credentials Committee it was written by national Sanders campaign staff on site. A member of Sanders National Delegate Operations Team drafted and arranged for a member of that committee to attempt to deliver an incendiary report that caused chaos and violence at the convention. It was inaccurate, misleading and subsequently discredited by the Credentials Committee.
* The Credentials Committee, the panel that made decisions on these issues, was co-chaired by supporters of both campaigns and the membership of the committee was also equally divided between supporters of both campaigns. This was done to ensure that the entire process was fair, transparent and accountable for both campaigns and their supporters. The committee worked diligently and cooperatively all day, under incredibly trying circumstances, to be fair and impartial in its work.
procon
(15,805 posts)Sorry, but you're on your own on this one.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...of the supposed violence that supposedly occurred. That's a little odd, isn't it?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)He wants to be the leader of a movement but runs away at every chance.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)It's the sound that you don't hear when closing up your ears, your eyes and leaving your mouth to do the interpretation.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)Because silence is consent.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)Looks like it's up to all of us to get out the truth on Twitter and other social media. In those states that have yet to vote we need to be getting out flyers that explain what is happening including providing links where people can go to get the truth. They want to declare war on all of us we will go into guerilla fighting mode on the ground to get the truth out.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Their attempt to smear Bernie is a day late and a dollar short.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,524 posts)Thanks for the thread, procon.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MFM008
(19,834 posts)of all delegates left is all she needs to put this away.
And Sanders supporters dont like it.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)you see we have actual video proof of what we say something Hillary's side seems to lack entirely
BootinUp
(47,211 posts)ripping them. On MSNBC.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)like it. So, good for Dean.
Arkansas Granny
(31,540 posts)she is ignored or called other names.
peggysue2
(10,849 posts)Cheers to Dean for standing up.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)sheshe2
(84,057 posts)For standing for women.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Was the 'b' word not getting the traction that was hoped for?
Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)alongside the death threats with those.
frylock
(34,825 posts)A report has been filed with the police, no?
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)I cut the cord so I don't even get those asshole channels anymore.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)He'd be winning in a landslide!
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)He is cultivating a viable voting block while Clinton is marching her followers off a cliff.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)So social media is Sanders bubble of fantasy?
Good to know, thanks.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Only misinformed/uninformed chumps cling to that medium.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)One person with time on their hands can make their one voice seem like a hundred or a thousand.
Then it comes time to vote and the massive millennial revolution you thought you had on the internet turns out to be nothing but the fever dreams of a few keyboard warriors.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The revolution has deserted Sanders at the ballot box.
BHO turned out waaaay more of the 18 to 29 years olds than Sanders has! LOL
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Bernie has shattered many records BHO set including at the ballot box and fundraising.
Many will be tailgating the general election in November and laughing their asses off when Hillary drives the Democratic Party off the cliff. You will reap what you are sowing. Karma's gonna be a bitch.
BeyondGeography
(39,393 posts)Thing is, he actually deserves it. At least much more than Obama did when he had to walk through fire over Rev. Wright, in case anyone thinks Bernie is being singled out for special treatment. In fact, it's hard to think of any candidate of his stature who has enjoyed more special treatment, except his has been of the near total lack of scrutiny and vetting by the MSM.
No tears for Bernie.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)He could not bring himself to condemn death threats against other democrats, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt he is unfit for the office of the presidency, the senate, Governor, mayor, dog catcher, street sweeper!
Get the hell out of my party Sanders!!!
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)sorry but if the DNC gets away with this most Bernie will simply walk away
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
I'm sure Trump will be sympathetic to your cause!
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)all we have recorded 'threats' from a blogger who's enjoying his 15 minutes 'secondly I made a general statement you chose to make it personal - why is that?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,069 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,345 posts)He's had a free ride in the name of ratings LONG ENOUGH.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Whoever that was, they nailed it.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)You admit it right here and now.
Oddly enough, there aren't any Bernie surrogates or leaners among the guests. Are there?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)to your post, and decided I didn't want to bother replying. I guess I didnt get out of the reply window, before saying something else, about something else.
So correct, I bet it doesn't make sense.
Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)Because no one wants to end their career in politics associating with him anymore
grasswire
(50,130 posts)ridiculous
procon
(15,805 posts)That's not ridiculous, it's a gigantic loss Sanders coun't afford. Just sayin'...
procon
(15,805 posts)sorry, refresh my memory, who's playing the role of the Svengali mastermind today?
rurallib
(62,478 posts)Sanders can't even get his name mentioned on TV until they break out into a huge well co-ordinated attack.
The corporatists don't just want victory, they want blood.
It's more visible today than at any time yet in the campaign.
They are in hyper mode, and I know why.
The Clinton strategy now is to paint Bernie as dangerous as Trump is.
Full speed ahead. She no longer thinks she needs progressives. Forget about unity. She's wooing the moderate Republicans into her nest.
And she's deflecting from the very real sound of FBI agents after her. Very soon.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...from the party he's caucused with for his entire career.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)welcomed him, ignoring the base, while demanding their vote. Sad? Meh. Disappointing and surprising.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)So, do you have evidence of Bernie orchestrating NV yet? There's a good number of people that would be interested in it...
Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)horrible, basically ignoring the violence and blaming it on some conspiracy against him. I can only hope that it's his staff who wrote that, and not him.
laruemtt
(3,992 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)since they have a brand new Shiny. It's why they have a brand new Shiny.
joshcryer
(62,287 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Wasn't kind to Sanders at all.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,771 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)They perpetrated the lie about the Bernie photograph. Now they're going with the lie about the "violence" in NV. Of course there isn't one video of any real violence, but the Clinton news networks are pushing it like it was the Reichstag fire.
The good news is that by the time California comes up, everyone but the Hillary fanatics will know the truth.
procon
(15,805 posts)Sanders is/was playing for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party and right now the MSM is showing his potential voters just what kind of a weak and cowardly man they might elect as president
dgauss
(884 posts)and some pretty nasty trolls. A lot of people here celebrating that.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I wonder how fair and balanced their report of the election returns are setting up to be.
We now have the death of the Republican Party, the self abuse of the Democratic establishment/DNC trolls and liars, and ... Here comes the media.
You want to be dead, MSM? You've just added another nail to your pine box.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)there, that is a proper headline
Oh and news at 11
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jfern
(5,204 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)How convenient, they have something else to talk about.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Now that they have labeled him dangerous, they can discount everything good that happens for him.
ecstatic
(32,782 posts)and continuation of this lie about a "rigged" process. He's feeding the anger of the Bernie Bros. Promising chaos at our convention and aiding Trump. I'm so disgusted by Bernie at this point. The DNC needs to have a sit down with this man NOW and end this. I do not want anything to do with people making death threats, etc. Let them join Trump. We don't need that trash.
bunchofpenguins
(47 posts)The only parties that need to apologise are the DNC and Clinton for the shameful way they subverted democracy.
Eff 'em until they do. Enjoy begging for votes in the fall when they pissed away all liberal and independent support through their criminal and Republican-like actions.
ecstatic
(32,782 posts)mostly caucus, open primary states, but he's won states fair and square, based on the rules. The vast majority of democrats, however, have decided to pass on the Bern. Why is that so hard to accept? Why are you and Bernie insisting that Bernie was somehow robbed?
wundermaus
(1,673 posts)We are dealing with Sociopaths and fools that follow them.
It's all about the greed and power.
They will stop at nothing to get what they want, and to hell with everybody and everything else. Bernie is annoying them and they can't have that!
History is unfolding in front of our eyes... haven't seen this sort of potential for a progressive renaissance since 1968. Things are going to get crazy if f Bernie does not back down. And I don't think he will back down because he is not afraid to speak truth to power, greed, and corruption.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)griffi94
(3,733 posts)So far the press has been pretty lite on him.
He really looks weak tho.
Beowulf
(761 posts)Two of Hillary's BFF's
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)instead he gave excuses and double downed on a message that has been failing him on the campaign.
bunchofpenguins
(47 posts)The media has had a love fest for Clinton, Trump, and the establishment from day one and hated Bernie because he represents everything the media hates.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)they've been spreading lies about what happened.
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riversedge
(70,441 posts)riversedge
(70,441 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)He is turning out to be an embarrassment
jeff47
(26,549 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)shameful tacit approval of bullying and violence.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Take away their power over you.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)EndElectoral
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Number23
(24,544 posts)His very bad day/week will likely continue for some time.
BootinUp
(47,211 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)of this country. They have been bashing Bernie for months.
azmom
(5,208 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)the violent behavior of her fellow Bernie fans on the 3 bars that were available at the convention site. So if it's not bad enough that Sander's troops went on a violent rampage, it's even better when it's a drunken violent rampage.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Where he SHOULD be saying that this behavior on the part of HIS DELEGATES was unacceptable and shouldn't have happened, he's not.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Nanjeanne
(5,004 posts)realizing the bs that's being done by the media when they did it to him and got away with it.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)They are working wonders out on the street! No one wants to support a bully.
karynnj
(59,510 posts)Nevada itself seemed to be the result of negative media for the two weeks before that.
What I do not get is why all the HRC are so eager to push him out and destroy him, if possible, in the process. There has been little doubt that HRc will win the nomination, so why not sit tight - campaign mostly touting her resume and platform and attacking Trump - and let the contests happen and then win the majority of pledged delegates.
HRC compares this year only to 2008 - and speaks of how much closer that year was - forgetting she stayed in longer and claimed it was helping Obama. I don't recall a concerted effort to get opponents out in other years - including 1992, a year she likely remembers where her husband did not clinch the nomination until June.
Now, I get that she does not want the primaries to continue, but the fact is that she has not yet gotten more than half of the pledged delegates. Unlike Gore, who ran the boards when he was essentially in her position, she hasn't.