2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNow that the secret's out, Bernie can release those tax returns.
Jane incompetently developed a pipe dream proposal filled with holes, convinced a local bank and the Board of Trustees that it was within reach just over the rainbow, and the college is closing because of it.
She makes off with $200k. Quite a windfall from a college comprised of one building and less than 300 students at the time.
The horrors of income inequality? Jane's actions and the college's consequences are a prime example of it.
Nobody, not the students without degrees, not the unemployed faculty and staff, not the bank stuck with a huge unpaid loan, are singing the praises of long gone President Jane. Nor the estate of the man who donated $70,000 for student scholarships, and the school spent all the money paying the bills. The suit the estate filed against the college, is of course worthless.
But the one positive is that now Bernie can release the tax returns. The secret's out and he can meet the standard that Clinton has met for many, many years.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)but we need to unite.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)It speaks to the veracity of the Sanders who put forth ridiculous reasons for their so-called delay in releasing the returns ('Turbotax is too hard to understand!') when clearly a return would expose the contradiction between personal behavior and responsibilities and their campaign's chief message of the injustice of income inequality.
There has been no vetting by the media of Sanders' biography. He and Jane have been given a free pass from the media throughout the campaign.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)If the tax returns were released, it would have blown the Burlington College fiasco wide open in the media as they examined Bernie's returns.
Now that the story's out, why not release all of the returns? There may well be nothing else that's problematic for Bernie. Other than Jane being a greedy incompetent who stomped on her college as she slinged her huge bag of $$$ over her shoulders as she walked out the door.
Given how the media has given Bernie's biography a free pass, they may ignore the college's closing and Jane's role in it.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)It's not been of great interest to peopel outside of that little communityu, but it's been reported on.
It's not a great accomplishment on her part, but it also not that unusual for college presidents and otehr leaders of such institutions.
And she is not running for president.
Clinton has had some mess ups, on a much larger scale.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Very few media outlets have reported on Jane's controversial tenure except the Burlington Free Press, an old story in Politico, and I think an old one in the Washington Post.
Armstead, it's not fair to individually equate Jane with Hillary and I did not mean to do that. It is fair to equate Jane with Bill Clinton as either will be First Lady or the male equivalent.
And on this forum, Bill Clinton has been sliced and diced many, many times.
It is fair to equate both couples as each has worked as a team throughout the campaign.
I admit that this story strikes quite a nerve for me because of the obvious hypocrisy and because to date, Bernie's public reputation for honesty and a straight shooter has been riding on a wave driven in part by a media's refusal to vet the candidate purely because of the profits that a horserace continues to generate for them.
But the Republicans have vetted Bernie thoroughly and that is why they are salivating to get Bernie to the general. Millions they've spent on anti-Hillary ads and not a dime on Bernie. Their motive could not be more obvious.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I read the stories about it. Certainly not an experience one would want on their resume, but it was more of a case of counting on things that didn't appear as expected. It wasn't a swindle or an attempt to line her pockets. It was a bet on expansion that didn;t pay off, and misunderstanding about about anticipated contributions.
Her severance package was pretty standard fare too.
If Bernie were to get to the nomination, sure it would be a "scandle du jour" but I don't think it would have legs.
She's also not in the league of Bill Clinton. They operate in different universes.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And nothing Jane does is a campaign issue.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)And even he describes her as "one of his key advisers."
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)We want 8 long form
George II
(67,782 posts)PS - as of today they released ONE year's tax returns - 2014. Nothing before that and nothing after that (2015), even though Jane Sanders promised to Andrea Mitchell on live television the day before they left for Rome that she would release them "when they are due", which was on April 18. Wednesday that will be a month ago.
choie
(4,111 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)was going to have a role in "revitalizing the economy" if she's elected - he's not off limits...
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)And that's not the year with the $200k payoff.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)You really think they give her those fees because she's such a powerful speaker?
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)in exchange for arms sold to repressive, women hating, gay killing regimes.
Corporate666
(587 posts)You are saying it's OK for her to do something wrong that cost people their livelihoods because someone else did something worse.
When I was about 4 years old, one of my go-to defenses when my mom told me off for doing something was "but bobby did it tooooooo!"
I think I learned by about 6yo that this line of reasoning didn't work.
Yet here it is on DU for all to see.
Baffling. And embarrassing.
randome
(34,845 posts)You may want to believe otherwise, but it is not her personal bank account.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
msongs
(67,478 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)He might be First Gentleman and Jane might be First Lady.
What is the difference?
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)with convicted pedophile pal Jeffrey Epstein...without his secret service detail.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)...happening before November either.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)Perhaps you can document those conversations?
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msongs
(67,478 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)I will not ignore his role. No one in our system doesn't get corrupted to some degree.
She said, "Go there, and kill those people."
And our military did. And once we were done, the barbarians took over and killed more.
Look at it.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)It's not like you were passing along classified information with the headers off or something.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)It's when you use those weapons to overthrow governments that are no threat and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people that you cross that line.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)if she had to show the past 6 years of tax returns.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)That transparency is awesome!
Bernie's tax returns? Bueller? Bueller?
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)And eight years before that.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)We already knew she was paid the remainder of her contract when she stepped down. That's how it usually works.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I taught at a college that came within 24 hours of having to declare bankruptcy after gambling big that a student-center dorm complex would make big bucks as a convention center. It didn't. And students avoided the living in that dorm as it was $90 more a month each for a small shared room, alumae failed to meet their targeted goal in donations. In the end, a gift was made by a friend of a trustee that satisfied the lender to allow the college to extend the deadline to meet its obligation.
Bad financial events happen to marginal colleges all too commonly... and it is often as not a matter of failing to meet an optimistically guessed at projection of giving that gets them in trouble. Usually making those projections involves more than just the college president.
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bettyellen
(47,209 posts)What the fuck, Sanders- making up your own new rules for candidates? It is galling.
azmom
(5,208 posts)candidate you are supporting. Get a grip.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)You support Bernie, Bettyellen supports Hillary. It's a difference of opinion and not personal characteristics.