2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie supporters revive archaic gender attitudes
Sorry to break it to you, but the battle is far from over. A number of Democratic voters who pride themselves on being progressives continue to distrust Hillary Clinton solely based on her gender. This misogyny in millennial males has manifested itself in a group called the Bernie Bros.
Bernie Bros are young, typically heterosexual white men who have developed an idea that only a man can possibly fill the shoes of the male presidents of the past. Rather than focus on issues of the election, these young people have begun a series of attacks on Hillary Clintons gender incapabilities.
The Atlantic describes Bernie Bros as white; well-educated; middle-class (or, delicately, upper middle-class); and aware of NPR podcasts and jangly bearded bands, among other descriptions of these Bernie supporters.
http://goldengatexpress.org/2016/05/10/bernie-supporters-revive-archaic-gender-attitudes/
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)In the Hillary campaign has been how everything we dislike in Hillary is because of her gender. It just isn't true. Sanders, and his supporters fully support abortion rights, equal pay, and all woman's rights, all other social issues, just like the Third Way Democrats.
We also support more economic equality, which Hillary does not.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)But in any case, SHE pays women LESS.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)if she paid me. And neither would my mother who is a retired middle class woman.
riversedge
(70,419 posts)http://goldengatexpress.org/2016/05/10/bernie-supporters-revive-archaic-gender-attitudes/
...........When Hillary Clinton was attending college in the late 1960s, there were 12 women in the United States Congress, according to the Congressional Research Service. The environment in which Hillary Clinton grew up in provided no clear path for her achievements.
If Hillary Clinton were a man, there would be no competition between her and Senator Sanders. The Bernie Bros be more supportive of her and no Republican would stand a chance.
As a Bernie Sanders supporter myself, I can name a number of real issues that are driving me to vote for Sanders over Clinton. A few examples include his strong approach to shifting the American market to a clean power market to create new jobs, like most Western European countries have already done, and his real solutions to solving the education through increased taxation and increased reward. A Sanders presidency to me means America will be able to keep up with the rest of the developed nations on its policies for its people. If I could get behind a female candidate and support her term, I would. But Hillary Clintons gender should not be a factor in not voting for her.
It would be naive to say that gender is not a factor in the presidential race. But at least as liberal voters, we should be able to agree that a woman is capable of doing the same job as a man............
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Most Bernie supporters know that the Bernie Bro meme is wrong.
BTW, found her on social media. There's no evidence she's an avid Bernie supporter. She may vote for him, but she's not what I'd term a "supporter." Obviously she's never volunteered or she'd know her "Bernie Bro" premise is flat out wrong.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)At 2 cents a word...
me b zola
(19,053 posts)This granny wants this particular line of shit to fuck the hell off.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)gazelle or cheetah.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)Elephant.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)nobody will mind since I am a Bernie supporter who doesnt wish Drumpf wins if Bernie loses.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)And WTH with attributing thoughts to me that I have never said? I don't want Trump to win, but whatever fits your little world view...
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Since you clearly have the luxury of not being negatively affected by a Trump win.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)for a Drumpf victory so they can blame black people.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)A pox upon you
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Blame black people?
Where on earth did you get that crazy idea?
If Hillary loses, the blame is on her and the crooked DNC minions that thumb-scaled and greased her way into the nomination knowing she was a weak candidate under criminal investigation.
Sure, the DNC will try to blame Bernie supporters, but the fault doesn't lie with us or black people. It's lies with Hillary.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)I am going to be negatively affected by either Trump or Hillary winning. I need health care desperately. Not fucking insurance, but health care. If I had enough money I would expatriate to a country that has health care.
I care about this election not just about me, but about my four grandchildren who need to have basic services and a chance at a decent life. Don't lecture me about what you think I need or don't need./
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)will have it the same regardless of Hillary vs Drumpf, you cant.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)You are a nasty piece of work and should keep your mouth off of me.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Oh wait, the Dems have moved to the right.........Fuck.
I'm with you me b zola, They've used the "Do you want a Republican as President" excuse for fucking ever.
Every fucking election we hear this yet the Thirdway DNC will install whomever they want and have.
We install leaders in other countries, what makes the U.S. any different. With all the voting shenanigans we have witnessed, we still believe our electoral system produces fair results.
I have voted Dem all my fucking life and have absolutely nothing to show for it. I've never fully recovered from Nafta and now I'm supposed to vote for NAFTA version 2?
The newbies are so lost, yet they speak with ALL the authority.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Both are rich people working for rich people.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)more wrong, but this is not a place for people who think like that, it really isnt and this has NOTHING to do with Bernie.
Am I the only one who comes here to only talk to liberals?
CanadaexPat
(496 posts)in a country Hillary will bomb.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)Standing there, looking up at the two very tall buildings of the Democratic and Republican Party, it's hard to tell which one is taller. They both look about the same.
I guess the middle class people, you know the $250,000 a year folks Hillary talks about, are high enough up to see the difference between the parties. Most of us down here on the ground, that are actually affected by globalization, low minimum wages, poor trade policies, and helping Republicans slice policies that benefit the poorest? Well both parties look pretty much the same, to us.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)WhiteTara
(29,730 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Gavile
(107 posts)Of any Bernie supporter saying anything remotely like that.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Gavile
(107 posts)Or hear a Bernie supporter saying we'd be better off with a male candidate just because.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)significance with the supporters, thought the ones I saw gathered toward Sanders was another tell for me to do my research. But, Sanders himself with his dismissal of women and our issues. There have been quite a few incidences for me, but to start was one with PP. When the right was attacking PP, Sanders handled it horribly I felt. I had conversation back then. At work now and not gonna go thru it all. But instances like that. Dismissing PP as an "establishment" when they support Clinton. All male staff, and other issues like talking to Repugs to try for their voting, stating women's issues are wedge issue and put them to the side.
Armstead
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lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Ashamed that I gave that site a click.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...to argue that Clinton supporters are anti-semitic.
The new essay would be just as valid or bogus as the original.
Moose_Jaw
(35 posts)Well, Phish is from Vermont. :-D
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,947 posts)Most of the Sanders supporters I know are old women like me. This canard is getting really tiresome.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Hell, if Gloria Steinem can allege that Millennial women are following Bernie because that's where Millennial men are, maybe she thinks us older women are after Bernie's bod or something.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,947 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)But, when you have no reason to run other than that you want to win, what else can you do?
If the shoe fits. . . . .
LexVegas
(6,121 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)One Black Woman and One White Jewish Man.
B2G
(9,766 posts)They insist women be treated as equals in every way except when it comes to criticizing them for legitimate reasons.
Then it becomes shrieks of misogyny!!
Which is it? She's either a capable politician who is able to withstand of the same scrutiny and policy questions like everyone else, or a delicate little flower that can't be questioned because she is of the 'fairer sex'.
You know, this really sounds a lot like Liberals who claim racism at even the tiniest criticism of Obama.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)As a baby boomer woman and a long time feminist I can tell you right now that there are more sexist male baby boomers than there are sexist male millennials. Instead of recognizing that fact and celebrating the progress that has been made the Hillary campaign is trying to destroy that progress merely to elect her. This tactic and the race baiting by her campaign will be long remembered by a lot of us Sanders Democrats. This cynical campaign tactic is doing nothing but burning bridges. The Hillary campaign is the most dishonorable Democratic primary campaign I've ever seen and I've seen a lot of them.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)When you start with an incorrect premise (that fucking idiotic Bernie Bro shit again), the rest of your piece has to suck.
drm604
(16,230 posts)Hillary is going to be the nominee. Sanders is not. You've got your way. What's the point of continuing to post this slanderous nonsense?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)It may also be that once they set their smear machine in motion they can't just flip it off right away.