2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMemo to Bernie supporters: It makes no sense to call Barbara Boxer a bitch and shout her down
- Bernie is losing when it comes to total votes
- Bernie is losing when it comes to pledged delegates
- Bernie is losing when it comes to states won
What does this mean? It means Bernie will need superdelegates in order to win.
Barbara Boxer is a superdelegate. You will need people like her to support Bernie if you want him to win.
That's why it makes no sense to hurl sexist insults at her.
It's self-defeating.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)She needs to re-evaluate who and what she is, She had no business there in the first place and was the target of cheated folks who saw their voice silenced. So begins the revolution. I will stand with those holding pitchforks and tar/feathers. She is lucky she got out of there in one piece. Men deal with sexist slurs too, without crying about it.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and if you think that shit is okay- I am glad you're on your way out the door. No excuses.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Boxer Trolling at the convention and doing what she can to enrage people.
https://www.facebook.com/seanaldenfitzgerald/videos/1734291036812104/
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Oh, you guys...
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)and just beat people up instead of using inappropriate language.
Was that your point?
KPN
(15,673 posts)LexVegas
(6,121 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)...him to win."
I'll rewrite that: "Hillary Clinton is a toxic candidate unlikely to garner support outside of the political elites that our party is so derided for. You will need people like Bernie supporters to support her if you want her to win. That's why it makes no sense to hurl insults at them. It's self-defeating."
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)So that she has won more pledged delegates, millions more votes, and more states.
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Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)I think most of them will not vote for Trump.
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Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)I doubt those people would vote for Sanders, who can not win the nomination.
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Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)They have a good home there, and I am sure they will be happy.
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The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)shows Trump ahead, but quite the opposite. Clinton defeats Trump in a landslide.
http://www.270towin.com/maps/clinton-trump-electoral-map
I understand you hate women candidates with a fiery heat of a 1000 suns, but Clinton has beaten Sanders, and will continue to stay so far ahead that victory is out of reach. She will also defeat Trump, whom she is far ahead of.
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NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Dr Martin Luther King was never so timid and spineless. He knew that what he was doing was difficult and dangerous, but necessary. If he could see what sniveling little worms his people were being in 2016, he'd be turning in his grave. Do you really want it to be remembered for the rest of time that it was black cowardice that let us all down in 2016 and denied the country its possibly only chance to implement true change?
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NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Setsuna1972
(332 posts)I'd really like to know !
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Take a lucky guess which candidate they support.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)He posted that hot racist mess in the AA group too.
One pathetic soul actually recced it:
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)It was pretty disgusting.
I did not realize Malabe had this discussion.
Number23
(24,544 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Jezebel Jackson (45 posts)
21. She has identified herself with New York
much like Bernie has identified himself with the Democratic Party. I think it's a bad idea. Besides, so many of us will be quite happy when Bernie just plain goes away.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1970322
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=333766&sub=trans
Number23
(24,544 posts)response. Instead all I got is a for you.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)is that why you're speechless?, I'd reckon so
Number23
(24,544 posts)to respond to it for absolutely no reason, your posts to me would make a hell of a lot more sense.
Let me know if/when that happens. Or not. I'm good either way.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)you asked NuclearDem to guess which candidate a ppred poster supported and I asked if it was the same one this former poster did
Jezebel Jackson (45 posts)
21. She has identified herself with New York
much like Bernie has identified himself with the Democratic Party. I think it's a bad idea. Besides, so many of us will be quite happy when Bernie just plain goes away.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1970322
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=333766&sub=trans
Number23
(24,544 posts)I have no idea who Jezebel Jackson is or why you think that I care about your obvious preoccupation with her/him.
So Jezebel got ppr'd too and you appear to be really bent out of shape about that and think that everyone else should care too. I don't. I really don't. Are we done yet?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Number23 (23,695 posts)
77. Ooo, oooh!! I know! I know!!
Take a lucky guess which candidate they support.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1977552
and yes now we're done
Number23
(24,544 posts)and perhaps you'll be a bit less confused the next time you decide to engage in other folks' conversations.
Tip: It was NuclearDem that asked 'guess which candidate that person supported,' not me. Which is, you know, the reason I put that bit in italics. Because I was quoting someone else.
And me responding to his/her question is by no means the same as me "being so concerned" about another poster. But please don't take my attempts to mitigate your obviously deep confusion over a fairly simple post to someone else as an invitation to continue this conversation. Your admission that we're done and your wavey smiley is the smartest thing you've said this entire conversation.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)which had sunk to page 2
Number23
(24,544 posts)now done with this incredibly stupid and pointless conversation is as correct as your earlier 'conclusion?'
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Number23 (23,699 posts)
83. I have no idea why you chimed in with this. Are you seriously that bored?
I have no idea who Jezebel Jackson is or why you think that I care about your obvious preoccupation with her/him.
So Jezebel got ppr'd too and you appear to be really bent out of shape about that and think that everyone else should care too. I don't. I really don't. Are we done yet?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1977594
and I am done so you get the last word
Number23
(24,544 posts)Folks that love to leap up and fight over absolutely nothing are almost as tedious as people that can't admit they misread whatever it is they're pointlessly fighting over.
Setsuna1972
(332 posts)The same fools starting a riot in Nevada this weekend !
larkrake
(1,674 posts)Carolina
(6,960 posts)but they won't vote for HRC either! They will skip the POTUS selection, OR vote green, write-in Bernie where possible and concentrate on state and local candidates.
I will never vote for $hillary... the Third Way, Wall Street, MIC puppet
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)MineralMan
(146,345 posts)They know they aren't going to win, so they're doing everything they can to poison the election. They aren't worried about superdelegates, because they know they've lost them already. They don't care about progressive Senators like Barbara Boxer, so they feel free to call her a "bitch" and shout her down.
They're no longer trying to make Bernie Sanders the nominee. That small group has switched tactics to a "burn the village" approach.
It's very sad. I hope that they aren't successful with that tactic. The prospect of Republicans in charge of all three branches of federal government with Donald Trump in the White House is too horrible to contemplate.
A small group of Sanders supporters is trying to poison the well, burn the village and retreat into the hills to snipe from cover.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)They're nothing but a loud but teeny minority of Democrats. When their candidate suspends his campaigns and endorses Hillary there will be whining and rending of garments but the vast majority of his voters will vote for Hillary. Just as the vast majority of Hillary voters voted for Pres Obama.
MineralMan
(146,345 posts)The rest?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)them. They have to live in the same country as the rest of us so I assume they'll do the right thing and make sure a Democrat is filling those court vacancies (that's my biggest issue by far).
MineralMan
(146,345 posts)It usually works out OK. When it doesn't, it can be terrible, though. We got GWB that way. Uff da!
oasis
(49,455 posts)uponit7771
(90,370 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)I would imagine that she doesn't particularly care for him like most of his other Senate colleagues.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)The Senate is a collegial place, where personal relationships are critical to getting things done. What happened?
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Bernie believes that hes right, and that what he wants is for the greater good, says Houston consultant Susan Boardman Russ, formerly the longtime chief of staff for the late Vermont Senator Jim Jeffords. Bernie is so certain that what he represents politically is unquestionably correct, therefore everyone should agree. Not much room for compromise it was, Play in my sandbox, or get out.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)of the person calling her that.
Prism
(5,815 posts)Since we're doing PSA's, I figured I'd throw this out there. Because we're both concerned about civility, yeah?
A man beating up a woman is pretty bad. And making fun of the situation is also pretty bad.
It's not good for feminism, y'all.
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There. Sorted.
msongs
(67,478 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)me b zola
(19,053 posts)It makes no sense to support a candidate that suppresses and perverts the vote. This website was created in response to a stolen election, don't be on the wrongs side of history.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)me b zola
(19,053 posts)Currently someone is filming, "Irony": Video recording the death of democracy.
You feel happy where you stand in the history of all of this?...I do.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)TwilightZone
(25,512 posts)Sure, shout down a popular politician from an upcoming, extremely-important-to-your-candidate state.
What could go wrong?
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JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,490 posts)A whole bunch of fence sitters just made up their mind.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)Would never support Bernie Sanders under no circumstance She would still cast her vote for Hillary but what Barbara doesn't realize is that she would be the first one snubbed if Hillary should win.
oasis
(49,455 posts)She's been re-elected to congress numerous times and has a 30+year career in public service.
Your "Republican Lite" comment is not grounded in reality or fact.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)oasis
(49,455 posts)There are millions of voters who obviously disagree with your charactization.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)extremes are healthy for anyone
INdemo
(6,994 posts)she is one of the wealthiest Senators in Washington.
Her campaign Big Banks/Wall St. contributors resemble those of Hillary's.
A Senator may claim to be "liberal" but her Corporate ties say otherwise.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)calling a progressive Republican. dumb
larkrake
(1,674 posts)trueblue2007
(17,243 posts)Bernie is an Independent. He isn't a Democrat. He needs to tell his supporters to KNOCK OFF THE ABUSE.
I think the bernie people are most abusive to women.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)count when and where. You having a family meeting? Well a BRO can just walk into your home and shout you down. You having a party convention? The BROs are allowed to just take it over and shout down anyone they don't like. It's called BROdom of speech.
John Lewis? They don't like him. Dolores Huerta? They don't like her. Barbara Boxer? They don't like her. You and me? They don't like us. They have posted here on the DU that they will have a "reckoning" within the party as soon as they take it over. They mean a purge.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)We can't be responsible for every idiot out there. Some frustrated guy yells out and a crime on humanity happens. We don't control them. I imagine Bernie hears a few of your out of control folks too. The crowds are larger so it is harder to hear, I'll give you that.
As far as NE goes.....they shouldn't try to change the rules without majority. End story.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)whathehell
(29,102 posts)Are racist slurs acceptable under the same circumstances? Would you minimize them as
no big deal, no "crime against humanity"?.. Women, after all, don't equate to 'humanity", right?
Is it okay to use them, when frustrated, at Black Hillary supporters?
I think not.
Is misogyny, as writer Katha Politt claims "The last acceptable bigotry of the Left"?
A no brainer, obviously.
peace13
(11,076 posts)What happened on the floor at NE was election stealing. People are going to get upset. Most people never condone the words used be it against woman, man, or child of all colors and persuasions.
If you are speaking to the NE case. The people in charge were breaking the rules...folks get angry when their rights are stolen. Expect bad things when you go pulling strings to effect the outcome of something as important as this!
At the end of the day one has to ask themselves, did I do anything to cause this situation? Were these words used because I was out of line?
At the end of the day, if someone calls me a whore and I'm not one, I don't worry about it. My momma taught me well. Sticks and stones..........
whathehell
(29,102 posts)and I don't blame them for being 'upset' -- The idea is, to refrain from calling a woman a 'bitch", a "cunt', or any of the many sexual
slurs reserved for females and attack their CHARACTER, not their gender.
It really shouldn't be hard to grasp. Feminism means more than "equal pay" -- It means equal RESPECT as half of the
human race. Women who don't fight the slurs as much ass PoC fight slurs against THEM, aren't serious, IMO -- Racial minorities
are discriminated against for the color of their bodies, women for the construction of their bodies -- Both are conditions of birth
and only bigots deny women equal humanity.
peace13
(11,076 posts)People are not perfect and some have no integrity. A person can be a $ick, or a @unt or many other things if they do not have integrity and respect for the rules and others. I don't agree that I can't comment on a woman's attire if I can say that a man needs a trim and a better fitting suit. There is a way to be $itchy and a way to act like a &astard. Men and women may fit either description.
I guess I care more about laws against woman's freedoms than I do the words people use in anger. Bombing the American women back to the stone age by rolling back abortion law and accessibility, adding demeaning health care procedures to intimidate women, those things get my attention. Equal humanity is a great thing to work for. This election season tells me that we don't have many thinkers left in this country and that equality has slipped drastically.
I wish you well. Keep swinging the hammer...and thanks for what you wrote.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)Hill doesn't care, no female politician gives a damn if they are called names
mcar
(42,439 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)You know, you do this quite often... headline something to make it appear true. I have aptly dubbed this kind of nonsense OPs, "drive-by commentary" Bam! What? Says who?
Sez no one here.
TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)so I don't get the point of a missive to supporters. Talk to yelling guy about his comments, I have no connection via a hive mind this game is silly.
jillan
(39,451 posts)KPN
(15,673 posts)1) What sexist insults? Who? Proof?
2) What the hell was she doing at the Nevada Convention anyway? What was her role?
OK - 5 questions.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Thanks for the help in California Bernie supporters. Boxer is a champion of progressive causes.