2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIs Sanders 2016 Becoming Nader 2000?
Is Sanders 2016 Becoming Nader 2000?How Bernie could cost Hillary the election.
By BILL SCHER May 16, 2016
But even if Sanders isnt deliberately trying to replicate the electoral trauma inflicted by Nader in 2000when he probably cost Al Gore the presidencyBernies lingering presence in the Democratic primary threatens to produce a similar result in November: delegitimizing the eventual Democratic nominee in the eyes of the left and sending many critics, if not to Trump, then to the Green Partys Jill Stein or the Libertarian Partys Gary Johnson.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/is-sanders-2016-becoming-nader-2000-213893
morningfog
(18,115 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)Or seriously false propaganda.
Or both.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Bernie isn't damaging her.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)I was wondering when that shit was gonna start.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Could very well be.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and he's getting close to "becoming Nader", but it remains to be seen how he handles his loss and how sincere his endorsement for Hillary is.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)LexVegas
(6,121 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Could you be even more condescending?
After the NV disaster your candidate deserves
NOTHING! No support, no unity!
procon
(15,805 posts)Has he ever supported other Dems... campaigned for them, endorsed them, raised money for them? See, there's no reason to believe he would suddenly become a team player.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Elections
Main articles: United States Senate election in Vermont, 2006 and United States Senate election in Vermont, 2012
Sanders being sworn in as a U.S. senator by then Vice President Dick Cheney in the Old Senate Chamber, January 2007
Sanders entered the race for the U.S. Senate on April 21, 2005, after Senator Jim Jeffords announced that he would not seek a fourth term. Chuck Schumer, chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, endorsed Sanders, a critical move as it meant that no Democrat running against Sanders could expect to receive financial help from the party. Sanders was also endorsed by Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and Democratic National Committee chairman and former Vermont governor Howard Dean. Dean said in May 2005 that he considered Sanders an ally who "votes with the Democrats 98% of the time".[110] Then-Senator Barack Obama also campaigned for Sanders in Vermont in March 2006.[111] Sanders entered into an agreement with the Democratic Party, much as he had as a congressman, to be listed in their primary but to decline the nomination should he win, which he did.
In the most expensive political campaign in Vermont's history,Sanders defeated businessman Rich Tarrant by an approximately 2-to-1 margin. Many national media outlets projected Sanders as the winner just after the polls closed, before any returns came in. He was reelected in 2012 with 71% of the vote.
Sanders was only the third senator from Vermont to caucus with the Democrats, after Jeffords and Leahy. His caucusing with the Democrats gave them a 5149 majority in the Senate during the 110th Congress in 200708. The Democrats needed 51 seats to control the Senate because Vice President Dick Cheney would have broken any tie in favor of the Republicans.[116] When he officially announced his intention to seek the Democratic nomination for president, Sanders set himself on a path to become only the second Democrat to represent Vermont in the Senate, the other being Leahy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders
procon
(15,805 posts)Thank you for the wiki C&P, it does highlight some of the generouls help Bernie has taken from the Democratic Party, but there is nothing that documents where he ever supported other Dems and campaigned for them, endorsed them, or raised money for them. I can't see anything that indicates he would suddenly start doing that on behalf of Hillary.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Do you think either of them are naive or perhaps unintelligent?
procon
(15,805 posts)America has a very conflicted relationship with anything connected to Israel; they have a great lobbying effort, yeah? Between the generous donations of money into the campaign coffers of politicians, pressure from the fundie fanatics and their Rapture/Israel fantasy stories, the Republicans who are fundraising off of every criticism directed at Israeli policies and government leaders, it's a great gig.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)He's been on the Democratic team for a long, long time. Of course you Hillary fans don't care to educate yourselves. You'd rather just buy Brock's lies.
procon
(15,805 posts)Where you buy your opinions from?
Now that we've sniffed our way past an introduction, Bernie has a mutually beneficial association with the Democratic caucus in DC, but as far as the Party goes, to employ the word "team" is a non sequitur. Look here, I can google to find the candidates he's worked to support and the funds he's brought in for the Party... and to be kind, you might want to do that too.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)For a guy who says he's going to do "everything in my power" to stop Trump from getting elected, he has made no indication to his followers that they need to back off and support Hillary in the fall, if she is the nominee (I'll give him that it isn't *over* yet, even though it is).
When he's still threatening to sue the party, and calling them corrupt at every turn, how are his followers not supposed to read into those actions that they shouldn't support Hillary?
frylock
(34,825 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)G_j
(40,372 posts)for the DNC's failures. What else is new?
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)cover for both GW's illegitimate ensconcement and fodder for right wing DLC aspirations.
One Black Sheep
(458 posts)But I guess its only OK when Queen Hillary does it.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)He's an irrelevant gadfly at this point.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Katherine Harris purged hundreds of thousands of Democrats from the voting rolls
The Cuban community revenged on the Clinton Administration for Elian Gonzales by voting for Bush
Butterfly ballots also messed up many senior voters in Democratic leaning Palm Beach County.
And of course the Supreme Court went out of their way to stop the votes from being recounted
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I wonder if he is still working for the RNC?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Bernie will have endorsed Hillary.
Average Americans will have forgotten the primary and the focus will be on the General Election.
And the perpetually disgruntled will struggle to find a hearing.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Gore won. If you don't like what actually happened then take it up with the remaining members of the SCOTUS. More Democrats voted for Bush in Florida than all the voters for Nader by about a factor of ten.
Also, if Gore 2.0 had run (the one who wrote An Inconvenient Truth) instead of the Gore 1.0 (the DNC version) then he would have won in a landslide, instead of just winning by a fraction.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)...Juggling...juggling...yes, I believe that you are that asshat...
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Hillary's going to win or lose based on Hillary. Not Bernie, not Nader, not trump, not Santa Claus, not the tooth fairy.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Yes, makes me smile
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I believe they contain your answer.
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Vinca
(50,323 posts)The last I heard he said he was going to support Clinton if she's the nominee. You know how this article struck me? They're cooking up an excuse for her loss in November. Here's a news flash: if she doesn't win, it's her fault.