2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDelusional Hillary promising old suckers free healthcare beginning at 50...Or is she? Who knows?
It's the ever equivocating Hillary who has no compus. But desperate old people eat this shit up. Tell the old people more lies, they'll fall for it.
Hillary Clinton Says Shes Weighing Medicare for 50-Year-Olds
Hillary Clinton has spent months berating rival Bernie Sanders for proposing a single-payer, government-run health-care plan, sticking to her more modest proposals aimed at lowering costs and saying she has no interest in another nasty legislative battle over health care.
Now, as she tries to close out her primary contest against the Vermont senator, she is floating a new idea: allowing people as young as 50 to buy into Medicare, the health plan that serves those ages 65 and up.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/05/10/hillary-clinton-says-shes-weighing-medicare-for-50-year-olds/
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)It's only 5:29 A.M. on the West Coast so I am a bit bleary eyed.
I saw this headline:
and thought i was at Brietbart.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Third Wayer. Courting Jeb donors stating Hillary and Jeb believe in the same principles. Might as well go all way you are more than half way there.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)I'm just a fast learner.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Being a "fast learner" and all.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)What's next, a knock-knock joke?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)Profits for the insurance and drug monsters.Globalization and a guest worker system thats been compared to slavery will make it cheaper for the payers. But that profit wont trickle down to doctors or nurses or lower prices. The whole point of this insanity is to prevent falls in prices.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)What website is this?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)You know...Clinton and her supporters have been bashing on Bernie's plan to provide healthcare as "unrealistic ponies" and now she proposes a variation of the same thing to pander to the middle age demographic....
But not really proposing it, just sorta thinking about it, maybe perhaps in typical legalistic waffling designed to make voters think she might, but giving herself plenty of wiggle room if she needs to change her position for a different audience
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Actually it was none of my business, and should have left it to the original poster to explain. Oh well.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)For example this one from the NY Times on the same topic:
Hillary Clinton Takes a Step to the Left on Health Care
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/us/politics/hillary-clinton-health-care-public-option.html?_r=0
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Doesn't matter. People here struggle with hyperbole. Obviously, it's lost on you, too.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)If she actually believed in this proposal -- Why the hell didn't she state it clearly at the start, and press for it instead of ignoring that option and bashing Sanders idea of opening up Medicare as an unrealistic pony?
That is a very important shift in her position.
One could reasonably argue that it is a reasonable approach as a step. IMO it's a half measure, but at least it's something.
But the fact that she is only trotting it out now indicates that she'll say anything to pander to Sanders supporters and close out the primary. It also indicates that she'll only broach anything like this when absolutely necessary for political purposes.
Worse yet, she's doing it in her usual "this but that...it's worth maybe considering..." style. Couching it in such vague and oblique terms that people can take whatever they want from her statement. She supports the idea, but not really. ...That allows her to walk it back in the General when she wants to seem more "moderate" to appeal to the conservatives.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Unfortunately.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)LexVegas
(6,121 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)A take-off on all those "pony" attacks on Sanders for proposing what Hillary is now semi-proposing a variation of
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Just sayin'.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)healthcare to make if financially sustainable. Adding a bunch of 50+ people would only dig the hole deeper.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)than for all social programs to fail, and to fail miserably so they can rid America of them entirely.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)What an uninformed bit of wild speculation.
Disgusting thread, btw.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Is this some Brietbart shit? The attacks from the right are getting out of control.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)to create all these schemes, foundations, set up speeches, have total control of what she says.....you can't do all that if you are stupid.
But the op is on the right track with the 'compass' issue for sure.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)But they can't help themselves. The hate is so strong they blow up their own arguments and show their true colors right out of the box.
We recognize the verbiage. It's clear.
But I do agree with what you have written here. I'm going to assume that is because your ideology is based in progressive/socialist thinking.
That is not the direction these hit pieces are coming from and they almost always let the hate shine through letting us know who they truly are aligned with.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Im fighting for equal treatment in society and in the eyes of the law. I'm simply telling you that promoting the thought that Clinton is delusional is straight from Rush and dumb as fuck.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)never ask them to raise the level of discourse here. That is exactly what I'm talking about. That, and Hillary's half-hearted Bernieisms.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Calling highly intelligent women delusional isn't raising the discourse. It's making this place look like a Rush site.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I also don't have much of an issue with the hides. I think it's pretty shitty that calling the Pope a bigot now garners a hide here. Literally, calling a bigot a bigot gets a hide. That is how far the rightward move has gone here.
I was given no special treatment. The rules are in place for all. Nice deflection.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=152878&sub=trans
boobooday
(7,869 posts)Or was it a unicorn?
DookDook
(166 posts)And all the weird negative stereotypes that go along with the 'bronies.'
Personally, I've never understood being angry at a group of fans of a show that all seem to respond to any negativity with, "Well, we'll just love and tolerate you back.
boobooday
(7,869 posts)Bloomberg's daughter has like 21 show horses.
Bronies are alright by me too. It's better than worshipping violence like the capitalist media want young men to do.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Also, my grandson, 21, knows Bernie is not talking about "free" health care, Bernie is talking about health care paid for by taxes. And he is all on board for paying more taxes, for single payer. Actually, he believes taking some of the incredible amounts of our tax money that the MIC sucks out of our pocketbooks would pay for it, too.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)them for 10 months. You need a nap.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Smh.
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)Please post all hillary bashing early in your evenings sure we will be fresh when responding.
Thank you.
MineralMan
(146,345 posts)Oh, well...
drm604
(16,230 posts)And this person apparently believes that they'll sway people's opinions by talking like that.
spinbaby
(15,092 posts)Health insurance is a huge deal for those of us not quite Medicare age yet.
NewImproved Deal
(534 posts)Can't be trusted...
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EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)deathrind
(1,786 posts)As only HRC can do. She is better at it than Romney.
WhiteTara
(29,730 posts)I am on medicare and it costs every single month. It's a great idea to expand to 50 year old people.
jzodda
(2,124 posts)What has happened to this place? Has it devolved into a place where insults to large demographic groups are ok? I mean old suckers? Fucking really?