2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie's campaign is over. It has been since Super Tuesday.
Dear Goddesses, please let the light bulb turn on and the truth be revealed to those in denial!
Wilms
(26,795 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts).. describing what Bernie supporters "think", or "feel", or "are like."
OPs packed with petty insults, weak straw men, mock indignation and self-righteous pontification.
As if such things somehow help their cause in any way.
The reality is that it's this kind of nonsense that caused Bernie supporters to stop taking anything many Hillary supporters seriously.
It's not worth the effort.
Any real argument you might have had is obscured and lost inside the rest of that nonsense.
So stick with that tactic, it's working very well for Hillary.
boston bean
(36,224 posts)Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)The truth really seems to have some issues with you. You guys should probably talk and come to an understanding.
boston bean
(36,224 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)Really?
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Really
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... proclaiming Bernie ahead.
... predicting Bernie's win.
... predicting Hillary's loss.
... predicting an indictment.
... ignoring the math.
... promising to not vote for Hillary.
... threatening to write-in Bernie.
... threatening to vote for Trump.
... pretending that Bernie can flip Superdelegates.
... ignoring the math.
... griping about closed primaries.
... making veiled sexist comments.
... ignoring the math.
... posting photos with DT or HK
... complaining about media silence.
... boasting about rally attendance.
... accusing Hillary of "money laundering" crimes.
... making references to Monica.
... quoting HA Goodman.
... encouraging Bernie to run third-party.
... ignoring the math.
... inventing wild conspiracy theories.
... complaining about voting machines.
... attacking entire US regions.
... pretending the minority votes don't matter.
... ignoring Bernie's demographic.
... bragging about acres won.
... pretending it's a "horse-race".
... demanding transcripts.
... making excuses for Bernie.
... pretending the data theft never happened.
... posting fake rally photos.
... claiming a Pontiff endorsement.
... deifying Ralph Nader.
... quoting Susan Sarandon.
... and ignoring the math.
The reality is that it's this kind of nonsense that caused Hillary supporters to stop taking anything many Bernie supporters seriously. So stick with that tactic, it's working very well for Bernie.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)seekthetruth
(504 posts)Strange......
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)seekthetruth
(504 posts).......in PA, and you actually support a candidate who isn't willing to ban it?
Here's waiting for a reply, but I highly doubt that any will come.......
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... my priorities aren't in the same order as yours.
Cope.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)so fuck the earth??????????????
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)seekthetruth
(504 posts)Please, defend fracking.....
And if environmental responsibility isn't your priority,then don't call yourself a liberal. You're a conservative.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)So I'm assuming by your silence that you support fracking, and take the conservative stance on it. Are you going to start denying global warming next???????
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... assuming that I actually care what you imagine my views to be.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)seekthetruth
(504 posts)...... taking it lightly that you're supporting a candidate who's willing to put our environment at risk....
Shame on you!
seekthetruth
(504 posts)No answer. Why can't you Hillary supporters just come out and admit that you're not progressive........
seekthetruth
(504 posts)Man.....you care more about winning an argument over combating climate change????????
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)So I wonder ... what part of my not caring are you failing to comprehend?
PS: I love how much it bugs you that I don't respond as quickly as you'd like. That's another way we differ. I'll respond to you when I get around to it, and if I feel like it, and if I've got nothing better to do.
But looking at your multiple replies trying to prod me into responding to you, and stalking me off-topic in other threads, it's obvious to me that you're chomping at the bit, breathlessly awaiting my next reply to you. (Refresh! Refresh! Refresh! Where's she go? Must find NurseJackie! Reply dammit! Reply!!!)
I suppose I should be flattered that you want to engage with me. But I'm not.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)It's not you personally that bugs me. It's the fact that you're willing to ignore the horrible things we're doing to our planet just to elect someone.
She's in support of fracking, yes? That's what bugs me...well.....more like horrifies me.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Such purity, and clarity of thought and purpose must be a heavy burden to bear.
Aside from that, I really don't care for, or about, voters who obsess about a single issue to the exclusion of all others. And with regard to that type of voter, I'm even less inclined to justify myself to them than I am to even bother engaging with them.
I'm able to prioritize the issues that are most important to me. I'm able to contrast and compare between the candidates across an entire range of issues.
There's no discussion to be had here. You've made up your mind, and you have only one thing to talk about. Please go elsewhere for your argument, you won't find it from me.
Goodbye.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)That's just one example......of the myriad of problems with your candidate. She is simply not a liberal, progressive, or leftist.
She's a conservative, and so are her supporters if they examine her attitudes on the most important problems facing our country, and still support her. If you support her because she's female, then that's fine. In of itself, there's no problem with that. But, she simply does not have a progressive platform. So, in your support of her, please don't claim the banner of progressivism. Yes, it boils down to an identity of what you stand for.....a purist as you'll say.
Now if you're supporting her simply because she is a female, then that's totally fine, with the understanding that you are not representing progressivism.
I'm not a"one issue voter" as you claim. I'm simply asking why you support Clinton on the basis of her support for fracking, since it's undoubtedly a very dangerous and harmful practice that needs to be stopped.
This kind of division will get us a Trump presidency.
As you state that you're able to prioritize those issues that are the most important to you, how can you claim to be progressive when standing up for the environment should be at the top of your list? Is it not? What other causes trump (no pun intended) the very survival of our species?
If you choose not to respond, then I, again, assume that you're a conservative. Strange place for one to be here at DU.....a liberal site, yes?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... I do not care.
Goodbye again.
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hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)Last period of my last sentence. Follow the link, tell me again about my tone.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Until then, I can see why so many continue to support Bernie.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)boston bean
(36,224 posts)delusions.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Party. He's a Trojan horse who is working to submarine Hillary's campaign in order to hand the election to Trump.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)''He's a Trojan horse who is working to submarine Hillary's campaign in order to hand the election to Trump.''
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)didn't get the memo.
I'd never vote for Trump. He'd be even worse than Clinton.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)It looks childish and petty.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)But, you should stop. You have no clue.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)point.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Attacking her now is sour grapes and only helps Trump.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Not fair. Aww. Is she going to tell me to "Cut it out!"?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Redwoods Red
(137 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)claiming a "road to victory" is still there
Armstead
(47,803 posts)boston bean
(36,224 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Happens every-time someone -- or some movement of Democrats -- comes along and challenges the Great Centrist Poo Bahs from a slightly more liberal standpoint. They are branded with dismissive terms like "fringe left" or flaky radicals or their positiions are called uncompromising or purist or "wanting ponies" or "unrealistic" etc.
Or, in a Rovian "reverse reality" twist, progressives are branded as right-wing. If we disagree with Obama on a policy like healthcare we are "smearing the first AA President" .....or now "the first woman president"....or as the case with Sanders, who has always been more socially progressive than the average democrat, "has a problem with POC" and on and on and on.
It's always something. This time the same old stuff -- except Sanders has gotten a significant share of votes.
boston bean
(36,224 posts)I'm sorry, but you best understand that there is very little difference between the two. That might make you uncomfortable, but deal with it.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Yes on a number of policies, they are similar. (Although that's not what Clinton supporters claim. Sanders is all "ponies and unicorns" and radical leftism, according to them.)
They have fundamentally different views on the relationship between government and the issues of Wealth and Power.
Clinton is in the rarified air of the elites at the top of the neo-liberal pyramid, where corporations and Wall St. have lost all sense of morality, and are willing to do whatever it tales to add a few points to the quarterly reports and so the CEOs and Robber Barons at the top can add more millions to their income.
These are the people she hobnobs with and listens to.
She lives in the world where these big players robber barons have purchased the government, and politicians go through the revolving door. The effect is that common sense laws that affect the REAL LIVES of REAL PEOPLE get scuttled on a regular basis, while laws that allow the Fat Cats to get fatter by screwing the rest of us glide through quietly.
Sanders reresents the view that government should be operated by and responsive to the people, and be work for the interests of the majority (the 90 percent) instead of lobbyists.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)Big difference!
--imm
morningfog
(18,115 posts)LexVegas
(6,121 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Losing badly too -- 52% to 36%
How will she make it to July 25th?
metroins
(2,550 posts)Sit on a beach in Cabo until the convention and she's still win.
Sanders incompetent campaign staff and strategy lost it for him back in March.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Bleacher Creature
(11,258 posts)It was over March 15th when she swept five states, including Ohio.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Even that gif is stolen.
frylock
(34,825 posts)of his shoulder.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Do they not know from whence it came, or.. not see the irony?
In years past she would have been just another "strong" Democratic candidate; back before... what...back when so few knew what was really going on....(not that 'we' even now know what is REALLY, REALLY going on)...back before Bernie let the truth out of the bag for all to see.
THAT changes everything.
It puts her in a different position relative to everything.
It puts her in a perspective that many either honestly do not see, or refuse to see, or just don't care about what they see.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)the race. Get lost!
Gothmog
(145,778 posts)Sanders will never overcome the delegate difference from Super Tuesday
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)You guys have touted so many of them it's hard to keep track.
boston bean
(36,224 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,631 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)The campaign has continued on.
It will continue until one candidate clinches the nomination. That has no happened and will not happen until June 7, at the earliest. So settle in for 27 more days of campaigning!
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)in November. Right?
boston bean
(36,224 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Forget my feelings, forget yours. Is it wise to tell 50 million voters to go to hell until you decide you want their support later?
Hillary is not doing that; whatever else I think about her, I know she's a smart strategist.
boston bean
(36,224 posts)I repeat Hillary has won the nomination.
It's over.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)She has not won the nomination. All the pretending won't make it so. You are effectively telling millions of DEMOCRATS that their votes don't matter. Which they may well believe, resulting in President Donald Trump.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... significance of their General Election vote with how much impact (or lack thereof) their primary vote had in the nomination process.
Most rational people are able to comprehend the difference, and are accepting of the fact that when the nominee has been established prior to their state's primary, and when any other contender has been mathematically eliminated, then their late-scheduled primary vote won't change the outcome.
The attitude that some are adopting ("my late-primary vote didn't matter, so I'm just not gonna vote in the general" is an immature response to the reality of math, the reality of scheduling, the denial that we don't have a National Primary Day ... and it's little more than self-pity and pure distilled vanity.
If those people lack the ability to cope with disappointment and to accept reality... and if they want to sit out the General Election as a way to "punish" others, and as a way to soothe their own hurt feelings, or to make themselves feel better about having the "misfortune" of living in a late-primary state ... well... that's their choice, isn't it?
I won't indulge their egos. If they've made up their minds to not vote, then it's a waste of anyone's time to convince them otherwise. OR... if it's just an empty threat, and they plan to vote anyway, then that's ALSO a waste to spend time trying to "convince" them to do something that they're actually going to do anyway. (It's all so silly.)
They can do what they want and believe as they will. I don't care.
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SheilaT
(23,156 posts)after the last primary and caucus.
If she really has won, then you can afford to be magnanimous and extend to him the same courtesy of remaining in the race until the last vote.
Some of us haven't voted yet, and we'd like to cast a ballot we see as meaningful.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Start getting used to it
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)-none
(1,884 posts)Yourself or those of us that are fed up with more of the ever shifting Rightward status quo? It looks like it is probably yourself because the fixes the DNC are doing aren't working out as planned. Bernie is still in the race and gaining.
Even if Bernie loses, this won't be over. The people will have their say. We want control of our country back from the 1%. Hillary is the bought and paid for representative for 1%
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Conflicted?
frylock
(34,825 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)How can we do that? I wonder what would need to happen before we can get rid of it.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)The two party system runs the government and they aren't about to risk their seats by allowing that to happen. Democracy is all well and good....if the bosses can control it.
A government of, by, and for the people it ain't. But, optimist that I am, I think the younger generation is catching on and getting fed up.
I'm an old man now but I hope the younger folks will follow John Steinbeck's exhortation to Russian students back in the early '60s: "Young wolves, show us your teeth."
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Bob41213
(491 posts)PufPuf23
(8,845 posts)Some of us have yet to vote.
Much can happen between now and the convention.