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pnwmom

(109,024 posts)
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:11 PM May 2016

Based on demographics rather than polls, Nate Silver says Bernie could win tonight by 15 points.

But because he is so far behind, he needs to win by more than 45 points, and get 21 out of 29 pledged delegates, to get back on track. (He said 45 before Indiana, but the number is actually higher now, because he didn't meet the 28 point win he needed in Indiana.)

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/today-is-clintons-chance-to-end-the-groundhog-day-campaign/

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Based on demographics rather than polls, Nate Silver says Bernie could win tonight by 15 points. (Original Post) pnwmom May 2016 OP
True Cali_Democrat May 2016 #1
Every time he doesn't meet or exceed the target he gets further behind and there are fewer pnwmom May 2016 #4
Even still, Hillary will not clinch a majority of pledged delegates until June 7 at the earliest. morningfog May 2016 #5
Hillary already has a majority of the pledged delegates. politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #14
Wrong. A majority of the PDs is 2,026. morningfog May 2016 #15
Bottom line: Hillary will NOT win enough PDs to secure a majority of PDs. morningfog May 2016 #2
No, a majority of pledged delegates is 2026 and that's very probable for Hillary. pnwmom May 2016 #7
That's why the superdelegates are there....n/t asuhornets May 2016 #10
correction: she won't win enough PDs to secure a majority of ALL DELEGATES firebrand80 May 2016 #11
Of, she will win a majority of PDs. Almost 100% probable. Adrahil May 2016 #16
I should clarify, I meant tonight. morningfog May 2016 #18
Actually, she will. She's winning MORE of the PDs than Bernie is, so if your goal synergie May 2016 #20
Yes. I meant tonight results will not get her to the total majority of pledged delegates, 2,026 morningfog May 2016 #23
as much as I love Bernie, Nate has been on a bad streak for predictions Exilednight May 2016 #3
He's trying to salvage his credibility but it's too late, IMO. closeupready May 2016 #6
He made the demographic model a couple months ago, so this isn't some last minute thing. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #12
There are so few delegates available today that it makes no difference. LonePirate May 2016 #8
That's more or less ture. But every delegate he does not get today, he needs to get.... Adrahil May 2016 #17
Pretty much. synergie May 2016 #21
Hillary won the last few states against Obama after Obama pivoted to the general. Trust Buster May 2016 #9
And even if the argument is number of states won, she's leading on that score as well. synergie May 2016 #22
Not enough...anything less that 75% is a loss for Bernie... beachbumbob May 2016 #13
He is not winning by enough to matter Demsrule86 May 2016 #19
Even if he chose to stay in for the sake of the issues, he'd not have lost the respect synergie May 2016 #24
Well he is not a Democrat Demsrule86 May 2016 #25
That's character assassination libodem May 2016 #26
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
1. True
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:12 PM
May 2016

So when Bernie "won" last week in Indiana, he actually lost ground when it comes to the delegate math.

pnwmom

(109,024 posts)
4. Every time he doesn't meet or exceed the target he gets further behind and there are fewer
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:14 PM
May 2016

delegates left to divide.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
14. Hillary already has a majority of the pledged delegates.
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:25 PM
May 2016

Approximately a 300 lead of the majority of pledged delegates. If your talking about hitting the 2383 delegates to win the nomination outright, we can wait until June 7th. We're impatient but not going to get crazy or anything about it since we know it's going to happen.

pnwmom

(109,024 posts)
7. No, a majority of pledged delegates is 2026 and that's very probable for Hillary.
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:15 PM
May 2016

She's already gotten 1704, so that leaves a difference of only 322.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
11. correction: she won't win enough PDs to secure a majority of ALL DELEGATES
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:17 PM
May 2016

but that doesn't matter, because she has more than enough SDs to put her over to top

not only that, any formulation you can think of as the "fair" way to allocate SDs still puts her over the top

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
16. Of, she will win a majority of PDs. Almost 100% probable.
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:38 PM
May 2016

Barring something drastic, of course.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
18. I should clarify, I meant tonight.
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:41 PM
May 2016

She will hit 2,026 on June 7 unless something earth shattering occurs.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
20. Actually, she will. She's winning MORE of the PDs than Bernie is, so if your goal
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:28 PM
May 2016

is that someone needs to get to 2026, then Bernie has no chance.

Bottom line, she's winning the majority (that means MORE OF) the PDs and the popular vote than Bernie is.

He has no argument for demanding a coronation or an anointment against the will of the voters.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
23. Yes. I meant tonight results will not get her to the total majority of pledged delegates, 2,026
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:30 PM
May 2016

and it won't.

She will not get there until JUne 7, with CA's results.

Bernie does not have no chance, he has next to no chance. Until he is mathematically eliminated he has some chance, albeit, nearly impossible.

LonePirate

(13,437 posts)
8. There are so few delegates available today that it makes no difference.
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:16 PM
May 2016

Even a 25 point win only nets Bernie 5-8 delegates which does not alter the dynamics of the race at all.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
17. That's more or less ture. But every delegate he does not get today, he needs to get....
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:40 PM
May 2016

Somehwere else. By the time we get to california, he'll need to win by 50 points.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
9. Hillary won the last few states against Obama after Obama pivoted to the general.
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:16 PM
May 2016

It really doesn't matter in the final analysis.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
24. Even if he chose to stay in for the sake of the issues, he'd not have lost the respect
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:31 PM
May 2016

of so many, as he continues to help Trump along by saying dumb things that Donald echoes. Either he's delusional, or he's working actively against having a Democrat in the WH and more seats in Congress.

Demsrule86

(68,788 posts)
25. Well he is not a Democrat
Tue May 10, 2016, 07:29 PM
May 2016

And I have heard he does not take a loss well...maybe he is out for revenge.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
26. That's character assassination
Tue May 10, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

To make Bernie out to be vengeful. That is not HIS character.
He doesn't have a black book of enemies to remember to pay back for nonsupport.

Bernie is a good and decent man. He is authentic.

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