2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe saddest thing about her supporters is they acknowledge the fact she lies,
They just don't care. They can't be bothered to care about the human suffering in this country or the fact that we're killing the ability for humans to even exist on this Planet because of greed. It's the height of disgusting.
NewImproved Deal
(534 posts)The Former First Lady is America's Imelda Marcos...
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Empty platitudes, links back to her campaign websites, but total willful ignorance of the tragic losses caused by her and her kind.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Show a little respect, will ya?
Rockyj
(538 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)don't have a clue what Bernie and his kind have been actually voting for in their time in office. Wars, sanctions, guns for all, and lighter sentences for child molesters, child murderers and torturers.
He and his kind, who don't do their homework and accept empty platitudes instead of actual plans about HOW he plans to get anything done, that's the more "anointed" way of doing things right, because of how dreamy Bernie is, and how Birds love him, and everyone but actual voters "feel the bern"?
bluegopher
(87 posts)Have you seen the shoes Hillary wears?
Buns_of_Fire
(17,148 posts)If the voting age were lowered to 14, we'd all be arguing about Dove Cameron vs. Zac Efron .
charlespercydemocrat
(46 posts)We couldn't of gotten a better democratic nominee then what's available.
onecaliberal
(32,763 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)He might actually do something.
better to stick with a candidate who spends money as if it was nothing.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/chelsea-clinton-3-million-wedding-budget-article-1.200176
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)...and not just here in the US. We have a history of overthrowing leftist governments all over the world. Why should a US leftist candidate be any different?
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Somehow they all conceded. Wonder why? You can bet there are 25 years worth of dossiers, along with millions and millions of dollars "somehow" showing up during those years. That's a one-two punch.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)and too many people don't pay enough attention. How many intelligent people do you know that say "I hate politics" and just don't pay attention? Most of the people I know are like that. Sad but true. They don't know about the DLC/Third Way, they don't pay attention enough to know that the Dem leadership is Reagan at this point in terms of policy and issue stances.
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immoderate
(20,885 posts)This is classic. They will be on course to cleaning out the casino. Family Charitable Foundation, indeed.
--imm
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)I monitored them over on freerepublic for his first term.
Nobody cared what he said or did. They projected their dreams and wishes on him and he became, in their eyes, blameless and without guile. A victim of haters.
elleng
(130,699 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I first came to DU in 2004, traumatized by the Bush years. I felt that I had found an oasis. People who understood--intellectually, philosophically and emotionally--that corporate corruption, warmongering and inaction in climate change--were policies for Republican idiots.
I remember all of us understanding what PNAC was and decrying the Iraq War. Democrats were the smart ones who knew the Iraq War was a farce.
I always, always believed that Democrats had the higher moral ground. Being for peace and against the sociopathic neocons. Bring for single-payer, which is the humane choice. Being against powerful corporations that were purchasing our democracy. I always believed that eventually, we would win. Because we were good and decent. Because evil and lies surely can't be a sustainable political model.
Never--in my wildest dreams, did I invision that our Democratic party would someday be justifying the neocon/PNAC plan, unnecessary Middle East war, the Fascist/corporate takeover of our government and the rise of a candidate who embodies this crud.
It's surreal. It's also very sad.
I am embarrassed for the Democratic party.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Thanks for letting us know we don't care.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Henhouse
(646 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Won't go along with that.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)I know your ethics based on our interactions on DU and they aren't very good imo.
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hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)And for your info I went down to the board of elections here in NYC to register my complaint about the Brooklyn purge.
I saw it first hand with my brother, friends, and voters on election day.
As for my ethivs no doubt I can do netter but so could yours. No offense meant.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)folks.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)ebayfool
(3,411 posts)Had to do it. Just had to!
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Sorry if you're offended by that.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)Don't say she doesn't have one, it's well documented.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Cheers!
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)I'm looking for more than 2-3 here. I could type out about 15+ for Hillary.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...but doesn't answer the question. You said you felt the same about Bernies loose relationship with consistency and the truth as you do about Hillary's. I figured you had evidence for Bernie...my mistake.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)Anything else? I'll see your gun flip flop and raise you a TPP.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...flip flop back?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)This is the nature of politics.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...as you seem to be. Thank you for answering my questions.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Hillary's positions on most of her policies will be next month or next year. To you, this is honky-dorrey; to me it is not.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)But then it would be difficult to do that when all can see what is posted in there.
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hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)bluegopher
(87 posts)This from a bunch of stay_homers that talk about suffering, yet think "President Trump" is OK.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)bluegopher
(87 posts)or Bernie himself.
How hypocritical given the stuff you've been spewing recently.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Pount out my hypocrisy and I will copt to it.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...you now must ask yourself: "What can I to remain steadfast in supporting sincere & honest candidates?"
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Cheers.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)They're OK with the death penalty and the Honduras coup and the $7.25 minimum wage, and say that the eternal war in the ME is "keeping us safe". they adore NAFTA and TPP. They are even now on board with a constitutional amendment to restrict reproductive rights, because Hillary is.
I have to wonder when and how they came to call themselves Dems in the first place
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)It adds nothing of value to any discussion whatsoever.
Just insulting name calling and personal attack on supporters.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)stated over and over, to a crowd that apparently has their "la la la, I can't hear you" fingers in their ears.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Thanks!
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LWolf
(46,179 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Or maybe it's sadder that they exploit serious issues like racism and sexism in order to support her and smear her opponent.
Hard to say which of the tactics they use is the saddest.
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rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)have to win to be able to change anything." Yes, but is it worth selling your soul?
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)But loses.his soul?
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Henhouse
(646 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Denial to Anger.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Tantrums by Bernie supporters will continue until his campaign ends next month.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)If Bill hadn't been president she would have gone nowhere.
NewImproved Deal
(534 posts)Look at the other two Former First Ladies to become president of their nations: Imelda Marcos, on the coattails of Ferdinand (Philipines); and Isabel Peron, on the coattails of Juan (Argentina)...
Hillary lacks their charisma so she makes up for it with bundles of corporate loot, a sycophantic Neo-Liberal media and a very Slick machine...
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Kall
(615 posts)"Don't bring attention to what she's doing, it damages her."
I'm pretty sure they weren't stressing her committment to raising the minimum wage in those private calls. A reassurance that she would make sure single-payer health care would "never, ever happen," though...
If revelations of Hill's behavior damage her, then she should change her behavior.
are they going to keep her behind the screen throughout the entire GE, should she be nominated?
madamesilverspurs
(15,796 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Last edited Sun May 8, 2016, 05:04 PM - Edit history (1)
oh whoops! I forgot Sanders supporters won't even admit he lies.
griffi94
(3,733 posts)Republicans have been after her for years and years
with baseless smears and attacks.
And she just keeps on beating them.
And now with the BoB demographic she's making their
heads explode as well.
For me it's just more yummy goodness watching her
continue to succed in the face of blind, unhinged, impotent rage.
No wonder the majority of Democrats prefer her.
She never quits and just keeps on winning.
She's going to be an excellent president and the perfect
continuation of President Obamas progress.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Can you tell us with a straight face that any of his plans have a chance to pass the republican congress?
k8conant
(3,030 posts)I don't know what'll happen if Hillary were to win.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)so he won't win the presidency. And, even if the impossible somehow came to pass, there's no certainty of any kind that the 'Congress' (you're really talking about the House) would magically flip and become Democratic majority.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)IAC, predictions do not fail until they fail, which hasn't happened yet.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)I've got some great beachfront/swampland here in Florida to sell you.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)a little bird will fly down from heaven and make all the nasty gerrymandered Republicans in the House go away?
k8conant
(3,030 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)--is to fuck over the 99%
thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)Must suck being so self righteous in thinking your candidate never lies either.........Hypocrite.
onecaliberal
(32,763 posts)I guess when you stand for nothing you fall for everything. SAD!
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)fall for everything. Did you think that up all by yourself?
thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)Bill Palmer writes it all and all he does is prop up Hillary and smear Bernie. I guess any of us can get our own go daddy website, write whatever we want about someone and call it "news" now.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)Admiration for "winners" no matter what they do to win, from reality game shows to banks and corporations. Lying is only a problem if it's a "loser" who is lying. Cheating is only (possibly) a problem if it's cheating in the name of anything besides making a profit. Killing is only a problem when it happens in one's own home or neighborhood. We've been characterized as a deeply narcissistic society for a long, long time and it only gets worse with every passing year, encouraged by the corporate media through entertainment, news, and advertising.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)The more we devolve, the easier we are to control. The amorality is not a bug, it's a feature. But people are so far gone, they don't even fight it anymore.
It's like watching a pack of lemmings run off a cliff in slow motion.
senz
(11,945 posts)Symptoms of a sick society.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)MFM008
(19,803 posts)Trump and republicans say she lies and the residents of sore loserville eat it up.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Come on already!
dana_b
(11,546 posts)"I can't hear you!!"
It's easier for them to put their fingers in their ears.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Hmmm. Reminds me of something...
Oh Yeah.
"Sore Loserman".
Now WHO was it screaming that taunt in 2000?
Same mentality.
Mike Nelson
(9,942 posts)...the supporters you mention must be in the minority - not many of them have stated they don't care about Hillary's lies, greed and her responsibility for human suffering. It's not something I regularly see Hillary supporters acknowledge.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Knows how to explain her agenda, giving the RW talking points are posted often, does not make them correct. BTW, Sanders does a good job of telling non truths.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)her agenda actually is:
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LWolf
(46,179 posts)Joob
(1,065 posts)Just kidding, I have actual reasons unlike them, such as Fracking, No fly Zone in Syria, she hasn't released the transcripts, she continues to get big money donations and has even begged to republicans for it, she's a war profiteer. Used the State depeartment as a tool FOR the Clinton foundation, where if foreign Embassy donated to Foundation, she gave them weapons through the state department, I don't trust her, she's pushed for horrible trade agreements most of her career. Her foreign experience is disastrous. Honduras, Libya, vote for Iraq war. She doesn't compromise with Republicans, she compromises with Democrats.
Uncle Joe
(58,265 posts)Thanks for the thread, onecaliberal.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)You personally know the views of millions of Hillary supporters and you've determined that they ALL acknowledge that she lies.
I'm a Hillary supporter and I've never thought she's lied, at least no more than Bernie.
But I'd love to buy that crystal ball of yours.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)who stolen our hard earned money and brought the US economy to its knees.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)4 years of glorifying "Dear Leader", regime change, fracking, free trade and Wall Street.
Neither "Democratic", nor "Underground".
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)in pretty much every situation. I bet you're fun at parties.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)brought the US economy to it's knees begging us tax payers to bail them out?
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)have speakers regularly. It's what they do during conventions and other 'team building' activities. No politician/ex-politician is going to promise anything in a large, open meeting. If anyone wants to be covert about quid pro quo, they do that behind closed doors with CEO's and CFO's. It's a matter of using common sense to look at situations, and not letting your hate for a certain candidate color your views.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)And you astonishingly approve of this crap.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)she has to keep things that could be used in the general election for much more political gain. Why waste it now, against an opponent that she is beating?
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Come on.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)be released? That would be extremely unwise. Save it to use when she wants Trump to release something.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)by so doing, she can get The Donald to do the right thing.
Otherwise, she won't do the right thing.
Do your parents know that this is how your brain operates?
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Fortunately, others disagree.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)what she said to the Banksters. . .
Orsino
(37,428 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)Tweeted
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Zynx
(21,328 posts)You nailed it.
By the way, fuck off.