2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA Contested Convention Is Exactly What the Democratic Party Needs
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/contested-convention-exactly-what-democratic-party-needsBernie Sanders will go to Philadelphia with more pledged delegates than any insurgent in modern history. Heres what he could do with them.
Joe Biden understands something about the Democratic Party and its future that his fellow partisans would do well to consider. I dont think any Democrats ever won saying, We cant think that bigwe ought to really downsize here because its not realistic, the vice president told The New York Times in April. Cmon man, this is the Democratic Party! Im not part of the party that says, Well, we cant do it. Mocking Hillary Clintons criticism of Bernie Sanders for proposing bold reforms, Biden dismissed the politics of lowered expectations. I like the idea of saying, We can do much more, because we can, he declared, leading the Times to observe that, while Biden wasnt making an endorsement, Hell take Mr. Sanderss aspirational approach over Mrs. Clintons caution any day.
Unwittingly or not, Biden made an even better case than Sanders has for taking his insurgent campaign all the way to the Democratic convention in Philadelphia. If the party is going to run in 2016 on a do much more agendaas opposed to triangulating around the centerthe Vermont senators supporters and like-minded Democrats, including Clintons progressive backers, will have to force the issue. Taking the Sanders insurgency to the convention is the paramount vehicle for placing demands that are ideological and, as Bidens comments suggest, also strategic. Thats one reason why Sanders promised in a statement on April 26 to go to the convention with as many delegates as possible to fight for a progressive party platformdespite the fact that Clintons delegate advantage now all but guarantees that she will win the nomination.
What Sanders is proposing is a necessary questand a realistic one.
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(6,048 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)The fantastical thinking around here as become astonishing.
JPnoodleman
(454 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)like Goldman-Sachs to pick our candidate. That's exactly the big money fat cat corruption we are fighting.
By the way Democrats have always fought, it's the conservatives that have always marched in line.
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(6,048 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)in the delegate count.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)msongs
(67,498 posts)tritsofme
(17,441 posts)Vincardog
(20,234 posts)tritsofme
(17,441 posts)SDs will ratify en masse the winner by hundreds of pledged delegates and millions of votes, they will not endorse the loser of the contest.
This convention will be no more contested than 2008, you are living in a fantasy world if you think otherwise.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)Hillary had not yet conceded and the PUMAs were out in force trying to turn delegates to Herself. Being day-glo white, I was a target and heard a lot of "those people" comments.
Rumor had it that the candidate herself would attend in order to fight for delegates and carry the fight to Denver.
Another rumor said she had already conceded. When the limo arrived and Chelsea got out, I figured the concession rumor was true. I didn't think she would pull the rug out from under Chelsea.
Mz Pip
(27,462 posts)when it looked like the GOP would have a contested convention because it would create such a shitstorm of negativity.
Why would we want that for the Democratic convention?
1968 was a fiasco. We ended up with Nixon for 8 years.
Be careful what you wish for.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Unlike the Obama v Hillary Primary of 2008 where they both agreed on most policy positions, there is a World of difference between Hillary and Bernie Sanders. Those differences need to be spotlighted on the national stage.
The DNC Clinton surrogate, DWS, did a good job hiding Bernie Sanders from the voters during the early Primaries. I believe many would change their preference had Bernie been given a level field from the DNC, and the Convention is the last place where minds can be changed.
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rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the democratic process.
Here's one of my favorites:
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)Of course, now that I say this everybody will hate the idea, but it's quite simple.
She could use this as an opportunity to show magnanimity toward Bernie and his supporters.
PufPuf23
(8,856 posts)Sanders and other Democratic party members that do not support Clinton or are displeased with Democratic leadership raise major ruckus.
Then at the convention, the dread duper-delegates switch their vote to Sanders for the good of the Democratic Party, USA, and world.
How can the super-delegates be held to votes when they did not know Bernie Sanders as a candidate or the other issues that have taken place since Fall 2013?
The super-delegates should do their job.
Demsrule86
(68,802 posts)He made his case to the voters who actually choose the nominee...they voted for someone else...end of story.
PufPuf23
(8,856 posts)for Bernie Sanders at the convention.
Isn't that the reason for the super-delegates?
In the event that Democratic voters select a poor candidate, the wisdom of party elders and insiders can correct.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Demsrule86
(68,802 posts)She would have had the most delegates ever for a second place candidate...but it does not matter she lost and so has he... ...first ballot ...Hillary is the nominee and I would have Bernie escorted off the premises. If he risked the general in that way he is dead to me and I would think the Democratic party that was stabbed in the back.
Gothmog
(145,905 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)themselves! Keep those $27 flowing up to the very last possible minute. Milk it.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)What about Jimmy Carter?
brooklynite
(94,984 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Skink
(10,122 posts)Let it play out. Let's watch and see what happens in Philly the cradle of our Republic.
LiberalFighter
(51,352 posts)brooklynite
(94,984 posts)"The most pledged delegates for an insurgent" isn't the measure we use for nominating a candidate. Clinton will have the most pledged delegates, and notwithstanding Sanders talking about contesting the race, the Superdelegates will stick with Clinton because Sanders won't be able to make s compelling case for them to do so (hint: tlking about national head to head polls will result in derisive laughter).