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Related: About this forumFBI Confirms They Will Question Hillary Clinton
FBI officials have confirmed that Hillary Clinton will be interviewed about her use of a private email server, possibly before the California primary.
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According to CNN, the FBI is expected to complete its year-long investigation within the next several weeks. The Department of Justice will then decide whether or not to issue indictments against Clinton or her senior staffers. Should the investigation result in any criminal charges for Clinton staffers before the Democratic National Convention in July, it could throw Clintons perceived inevitability of securing the Democratic presidential nomination into question.
full article
http://usuncut.com/politics/fbi-question-hillary-clinton-email/
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,821 posts)... that's 24 business hours we're talking about here.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Just curious.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Just a guess.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)What does that even mean?
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)They will cling to anything, even it's the dingleberries of a Republican driven witch hunt.
Pretty hard to watch some of these people being turned into "useful idiots".
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Nice shot.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Huh.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...IN IN UNDER A MINUTE! Wow, you have outdone yourself!
Of course anyone who manages to do that routinely clearly is working at it.
Most of us don't consider our posting here at DU to be work. But some, apparently, do, judging from the systematic nature of the responses.
Hmmm.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)For all those Hillary Clinton opponents who have been hoping against hope that the likely Democratic presidential nominee will be indicted as a result of the FBI review of Hillarys email server, CNN has some bad news. According to CNN correspondent Pamela Brown, the FBI is close to wrapping up the investigation, and thus far have found no criminal wrongdoing:
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It sounds like theyre really just waiting for Hillary Clinton to be interviewed so they can wrap things up, but if Republicans and Bernie Sanders and the media are counting on Hillary Clinton to suddenly crack under questioning, they havent been paying attention.
Read more: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-reports-fbi-has-found-no-criminal-wrongdoing-in-hillary-clinton-email-investigation/
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Using the word review and putting "investigation" in quotes is a hint that this article is nothing but spin. Mediaite is referring back to CNN's sketchy journalism citing an unnamed "official", so this is just another way of trying to float the bullshit that was shot down yesterday.
I'll believe the FBI has finished its investigation when they say they've finished their investigation.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Being down 3.1 million votes and 300 pledged delegates means Bernie has no chance.
The only hope for you guys is an indictment.
Too funny.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)And no, it's not at all funny. Get hold of your, uh, smiley.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Yeah I know, one of them will cry "sexist". The Hillary campaign has been sexist, particulary calling people who have the audacity to disagree with her "BernieBros" so she and they have lost the right to be taken seriously.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)The Cackle. That sounds about right.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Just laughs/cackles it off. Iraq? Cacle. Millions for Goldman Sachs? Cackle. Her supporters here just use the rofl in exactly the same way - to avoid parts of reality they don't like.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Spin all you like, but from where I sit, Hillary did shit that was both stupid and illegal and she'll be lucky if the FBI doesn't recommend charges. All the belittling ROFLing in the world won't change that.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)So....CNN Correspondent quotes un-named "Officials" and then contradicts by saying the "investigation is ongoing. I think I will wait to see what FBI Director, James Comey says.
Quote from the CNN Article quoted by Mediate.
According to CNN correspondent Pamela Brown, the FBI is close to wrapping up the investigation, and thus far have found no criminal wrongdoing:
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Some of Hillary Clintons closest aides, including her longtime adviser Huma Abedin, have provided interviews to federal investigators, as the FBI probe into the security of her private email server nears completion, U.S. officials briefed on the investigation tell CNN. The investigation is still ongoing, but so far investigators havent found evidence to prove that Clinton willfully violated the law the U.S. officials say.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Kinda like referring to it as a security review. And because it was phrased like that leads me to believe that the "U.S. official" probably is a Clinton surrogate in Congress.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Interesting what is going on out there in the MSM Contortions....isn't it.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)They're going back on their word. The FBI can't be trusted.
angrychair
(8,753 posts)Aka some shit some nobody thought he overheard in the elevator on their way to getting someone important some coffee.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)that have arisen, or the people who have ventured into politics either for the first time or again. Keep telling yourselves that the Status Quo is in good shape. It's not.
Remember Nero...This is a class war, as well. And it is at its highest point, that the decline begins. Democracy turning into Oligarchy will not happen as now we understand the terms and see the solution.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Like you'd know that.
I'm sure the wealthy and corporations could really put the screws to America if they wanted to. They have 21 trillion dollars in offshore accounts alone.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)There's a nice little story called Plato's Cave...long, long ago. Still applies today. Once the enlightenment process begins,
Oh, and they've already put the screws to America. Witness the National Debt. We are paying for their profligate ways...dearly....jobs shipped overseas, they pay no taxes, our taxes go up, we get shit for health care, peanuts for education, ad nauseum.
Bernie's has been to The Cave and it's up to us from there on, because of course this is an analogy of the mind.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)stumbled upon something new. Most of his supporters are just newcomers to the scene and now want to aggressively take over a party and demand you get to call the shots. Others are older and should know better by now that aggressive demands get you the exact opposite of what you're trying to achieve. Change takes time , its agonizingly slow. But every time we get a bunch of overzealous well-intentioned people they screw things up and put us another three steps back and on and on it goes. Its why getting changes enmasse is so difficult.
Again, if you think this is the wealthy "putting the screws to America" and you truly believe this is all they can muster you've drastically underestimated your opponent.
casperthegm
(643 posts)If she were to be indicted she would drop out wouldn't she?
Yes, I know- it's impossible, it will never happen, all that good stuff. But if she were indicted she'd drop out, correct?
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)many don't think they will indict her because of who she is. There'll probably be fall out though, but who knows, they want to protect her because it will seriously damage Obama's legacy.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)because there's no proof she broke the law? The other reason sounds an awful like what I would expect to see over at Free Republic.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)for 20 years. She may skate because of the Clinton Shuffle that's hovered over our politics. That little black book, or whatever, contains much power. But the fact that the Empress Has No Political Clothes is becoming more and more common.
You can fool some of the people all of the time...well you know the rest.
And finally, she's no Bill Clinton. And I say that because he was almost entertaining playing the rogue. She's not.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)require proof beyond a reasonable doubt before convicting somebody. Fortunately.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)hard drives (you do know that somewhat held up this case.). Whoever thought that one up. Nixon erased tapes, others shred their incrimination, so erasing servers is the latest deed of chicanery. 30,000 emails about her grandchild, to Chelsea, et al.
She writes Obama notes of thanks probably daily in her mind. Hit the jackpot...now we're rich, honey!! Cracks me up.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)casperthegm
(643 posts)Yes, I know- very unlikely, especially if you are a Hillary supporter. But let's just pretend she gets indicted- would she drop out and would you expect her to?
I didn't think it would be such a challenging question.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)I will vote for her. I've practiced law way too long not to believe the old saying about a good Prosecutor being 'able to indict a ham sandwich'.
casperthegm
(643 posts)That's what I was looking for and expecting. I think that is a crazy, reckless game to play, with so much on the line but I give you credit for at least answering the question. It's more than any other Clinton supporter has done.
angrychair
(8,753 posts)"No proof" is not the same as "innocent". Is that your guilty sub-conscious speaking out? Do you think she might be guilty and not be able to prove it?
That, even if guilty, she should get off because she is so important?
Just trying to figure out why you put it that way.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)She has not only not been proven guilty of anything - it also appears that there's no proof that could even be adduced in a prosecution (which may be why it's coming out now that there's no 'there' there. So, she is entitled (as is every American citizen) to the presumption of innocence. I agree with our system.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)democracy has fallen. Not to mention that they would really let us nominate her and elect her if she is guilty of crime. This is really sick.
I want this totally out in the open so that we are the "informed voters" that Thomas Jefferson talked about.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Given that her supporters keep trying to convince us that Hillary and Bernie agree on nearly everything (93 percent of the issues) and Bernie reportedly has a framed picture of Debs in his office, I don't think she should let an indictment discourage her.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)is done. It won't matter what the DOJ decides to do. If the FBI reports that it has gathered enough evidence to justify recommending indictment, it's over.
If this happens, our party will be thrown into chaos and this election will be upended. Clinton won't release her delegates to Bernie. She won't be obligated to do so.
merbex
(3,123 posts)Last edited Fri May 6, 2016, 07:54 PM - Edit history (1)
Convention.
That would be great all around: a few ( more than. few) Super Delegates would switch , some might abstain and we could see more than one round of balloting.
Then it could get very interesting : you might see defections from HRC camp allied with another candidate aka Joe Biden or pickaname and then it becomes riveting civic television .
Or, the FBI really for some dumb reason waits until after the Convention to release their findings .
If she is cleared - fine.
If she isn't ?
She won't step down- read any book about her- stonewalling is her modus operandi.
And then we will see how many are willing to vote for someone the FBI finds indictable and better than a 100% chance of a conviction.
And if the DOJ sits on those findings, or POTUS pardons HRC ( I personally think he will not because he DOES care about his legacy), then you will see the press conference to beat all press conferences by Mr Comey- the Director of the FBI.
Google Comey Ashcroft Hospital testimony .
That Mr Comey?
That Mr Comey is Mr Integrity: that guy in that video.
So bring it up to 2016: you give Mr Comey any chance to give a press conference in which he says the DOJ or the POTUS is standing in the way of justice?
Say hello to President Trump.
Mr Comey: hurry the hell up, one way or another.
The idea of this scenario dragging out is horrific.
MADem
(135,425 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)MineralMan
(146,350 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)ETA:
"FBI officials have confirmed that Hillary Clinton will be interviewed about her use of a private email server, possibly before the California primary.
CNN reported Thursday evening that the Federal Bureau of Investigation interviewed top Clinton aide Huma Abedin over the server, along with other senior aides, some more than once. While investigators confirmed that Clinton herself would be interviewed, no official date has been announced."
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)WhiteTara
(29,732 posts)Plagiarism and Wikipedia scandal[edit]
In June 2011 Hari was accused of plagiarism through the use of unattributed quotations in interviews, by using previously published quotes in place of his interviewees' recorded answers. The Orwell Prize, which he had won in 2008, was withdrawn following a comparison between one of the articles for which he had won the award and the original Der Spiegel article on which it was based. Hari was also revealed to have used Wikipedia to libel journalists who were publicly critical of him.[9][10][11] Hari later wrote a public apology in The Independent. While the apology was received well by some colleagues, the British magazine The Economist questioned Hari's sincerity in accepting blame.[12] Hari left The Independent shortly after.[13]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Hari#Plagiarism_and_Wikipedia_scandal
Sure, I'll believe every word he says. Not.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)the White House (Adam Pasick & Tim Fernholz October 2015)
http://qz.com/520652/groundwork-eric-schmidt-startup-working-for-hillary-clinton-campaign
Gee, all that patented behavioral science/mind control technology available if one has the will to use it...think the DoJ will report to we, the people about that fact?
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Meanwhile, we have seen what others have suffered for breaches that have done less harm. And Hillary is all excited about punishing Edward Snowden for far less damage.
Justice??????
I would like secrecy laws that protect real secrets and not just the antics of the very powerful people in D.C. and our military.
Obama promised more open government. I don't think he meant that the Secretary of State's e-mails should be open to hacking by who knows who in countries like Roumania, but, hey, it happened, so we should all just elect Hillary, her poor judgment and her corruption because after all . . . . . . .
Whitewash because . . . . corruption.
I really don't want to see Hillary go to jail, but I don't want to see Edward Snowden go to jail either. If Hillary gets a pardon or amnesty, so should some others.
We are supposed to have the rule of law and not the rule of the elite.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)lower level people if they don't do it to people at the top?
I heard 2 cases mentioned. . . 1 was a sailor on a submarine sent a selfie to his girlfriend but didn't notice in the background was a sonar so he faces 20 years in prison.
Another was a soldier in the middle east who reported that there was an ISIS guy masquerading as a policeman. . .only he notified his superiors by gmail and he faces 20 years in prison.
Hillary had emails classified at higher than Top Secret on an unsecure, unencrypted private server in her home, and it's a 'nothing burger'.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)information leaked by the likes of others who have been or will be prosecuted.
With the exception of Petraeus, those who have been prosecuted for leaks only had access to current information or information about the past.
Hillary was presumably discussing strategy, personalities and events that could happen in the future on her e-mails.
Certainly not all of the information that Hillary exposed on her e-mail server and possibly on her computer was about future events or strategy, but more of it was than even Edward Snowden would have had access to.
So in that sense, Hillary's breach would have been far more dangerous to our security than the breaches of the others.
That's just my guess, my opinion. I am not an expert on these matters by any means. But it makes sense to me that Hillary's "mistake" would probably have more serious effects on our national security than the mere picture of an object or an indiscrete reference to someone who should not be trusted.
This is not the rule of law. That's all I am saying.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Finally an end to this nonsense.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)It would happen after. Potentially well into the General Election. Which is why it is so important for her not to be the nominee. If she is, we really do need to throw all our support around her to prevent the apocalypse. Start looking for some "vote for the crook, it's important!" stickers.
coffeeAM
(180 posts)They would have been forced to drop out by the party long long ago.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)she's not looking to govern... She only wishes to RULE. That obviously gives her the best shot at personal enrichment as well. Of course, at this point with both her & Bill a little long in the tooth, she's probably thinking of amassing "generational wealth", which is how very rich people describe hoarding enough money so that their descendants need never work a day in their lives.