2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum243 previously unseen HRC emails released today.
The documents were obtained by Judicial Watch in response a court order in a May 5,2015, Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit filed against the State Department, after it failed to respond to a March 18 FOIA request (Judicial Watch, Inc. v. U.S. Department of State (No. 1:15-cv-00684)). The lawsuit seeks:
Emails of official State Department business received or sent by former Deputy Chief of Staff Huma Abedin from January 1, 2009 through February 1, 2013 using a non-state.gov email address.
Many of the documents predate March 18, 2009, go back as far as January, and were not turned over by Clinton to the State Department from her non-government server. The emails cover topics such as: her schedule and travel plans; criticisms of Clinton by Richard Gere; Afghanistan; U.S. financial aid and security concerns for several Pacific Islands; the recommendation for a health care system overhaul; and food security.
Other previously unreleased emails are dated March 18, 2009, despite suggestions by Clinton that she had turned over emails with that date. These emails refer to, among other things, her friends at Planned Parenthood and a call to Bill Clintons former National Security Adviser, the late Sandy Berger, who was convicted of illegally removing classified documents from the National Archives.
On October 16, 2011, Clinton sent a confidential backgrounder from former Ambassador to Malta Doug Kmiec (sent from his apparently unsecure server) to aides Abedin and Cheryl Mills. The email has since been redacted due to its classified nature. Specifically, Kmiec discusses sensitive persons and organizations working in the U.S. Embassy in Malta the U.S. Maritime training program with the AFM (Armed Forces of Malta).
The Abedin emails include an exchange with Clintons former Deputy Chief of Staff Jacob Sullivan, in which Abedin suggests Clinton would often complain of being exhausted:
From: Abedin, Huma
To: Sullivan, Jacob J.
Sent: Thursday, April 16 18:54:22 2009
Subject:
I have to go to the dinner with her [state dinner in Santa Domingo, Dominican Republic]
I just got the Im exhausted thing from her and Eugene [likely Eugene Bae, Clintons advance official] isnt going to be able to tell Oscar de la Renta to shut up.
A March 31, 2011, email from State Department official Michael Hammer to Abedin and others shows yet another non-State.gov email address of HumaMAbedin[Redacted], which differs from the known Huma@clintonemail.com and HAbedin@hillaryclinton.com.
These emails further undermine Hillary Clintons statement, under penalty of perjury, suggesting she turned over all of her government emails to the State Department, said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. How many more Hillary Clinton emails is the Obama State Department hiding?
Hillary Clinton has repeatedly stated that the 55,000 pages of documents she turned over to the State Department in December 2014 included all of her work-related emails. In response to a court order in other Judicial Watch litigation, she declared under penalty of perjury that she had directed that all my emails on clintonemail.com in my custody that were or are potentially federal records be provided to the Department of State, and on information and belief, this has been done. This new email find is also at odds with her official campaign statement:
On December 5, 2014, 30,490 copies of work or potentially work-related emails sent and received by Clinton from March 18, 2009, to February 1, 2013, were provided to the State Department. This totaled roughly 55,000 pages. More than 90% of her work or potentially work-related emails provided to the Department were already in the State Departments record-keeping system because those e-mails were sent to or received by state.gov accounts.
Early in her term, Clinton continued using an att.blackberry.net account that she had used during her Senate service. Given her practice from the beginning of emailing State Department officials on their state.gov accounts, her work-related emails during these initial weeks would have been captured and preserved in the State Departments record-keeping system. She, however, no longer had access to these emails once she transitioned from this account.
The Associated Press previously reported that the State Department received from the Department of Defense emails between Clinton and General David Petraeus that also predate March 2009. Those emails have not been released to the public.
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CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts).
https://cryptome.org/
Check it out!
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Very interesting. I could not read it all because of the length, but many here I am sure would like to make note of this.
Sam
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I had to clean house to get away from it for a while today. LOL
Aerows
(39,961 posts)to clear my head.
The avalanche is coming; a few pebbles have been knocked loose.
desmiller
(747 posts)ooopsie.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Thank you so much for posting it. Interesting.
Sam
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)Just curious.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Maybe Hill's thoughts on the latest drinks at Starbucks or something.
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)You can stick a fork in it for the Democratic party if she is our nominee.
We are heading towards done.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)On August 10, 2015, Judicial Watch announced that the State Department submitted to the court a sworn declaration from Clinton regarding federal records on her controversial email system. The declaration states:
I, Hillary Rodham Clinton, declare under penalty of perjury that the following is true and correct:
While I do not know what information may be responsive for purposes of this law suit, I have directed that all my e-mails on clintonemail.com in my custody that were or potentially were federal records to be provided to the Department of State, and on information and belief, this has been done.
As a result of my directive, approximately 55,000 pages of these emails were produced to the Department on December 5, 2014.
Cheryl Mills did not have an account on clintonemail.com. Huma Abedin did have such an account which was used at times for government business.
The document is signed by Hillary Rodham Clinton. The State Department was ordered by US District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan on July 31 to request that Clinton and her top aides confirm, under penalty of perjury, that they have produced all government records in their possession and to return any other government records immediately.
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Bob41213
(491 posts)She totally covered her behind... Note my bold.
I have directed that all my e-mails on clintonemail.com in my custody that were or potentially were federal records to be provided to the Department of State, and on information and belief, this has been done.
She's going to say she told them and ooops... It's a lie but she covered her perjured butt.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)We want a President that is very careful with their wording. Someone reckless like Trump will destroy us.
Bob41213
(491 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)And today the State Department has said it will not answer any more FOIA requests until after the election.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)She swore more than once that all her emails were turned over.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Sure, you can go to prison for stealing food if you are a serf, you can go to prison for growing a plant even. But the rule of law only applies to peasants. If you are a high government official, a thug doing their dirty work (rape, murder, torture, kidnapping, anything really) or are a billionaire that profits those in high public office (stealing billions in money or real estate, killing people by denying procedures and medicines as the "gatekeepers of health", or imprisoning people for the sake of profit) you are above the law, the law simply doesn't apply to you.
Once when these same facts were true in a monarchy that made the same distinctions regarding royalty and serf classes, there were those that rebelled against such an immune royalty which were allowed to abuse the people, steal everything from them (there homes, their health, even their lives) and face no consequences. Revolutions were fought and promises were made by the victors, Promises such as the rule of law applies to all or it applies to none. Promises that now ring hollow as the champions of a fair government slowly over time devolved back into what was and what always had been, a system of an elite few above laws possessing nearly all the wealth while laws were used exclusively against their victims - the majority that go hungry and grow sick under the rule of that elite.
We have come full circle now. Now it is common for a financial and political higher class to never have to fear laws that would imprison any commoner and we are supposed to accept this, cheer it even as the lord of our castle defeats the lord of some other castle. But the bread and circuses grow ever more scarce. The illusions of fairness ever more transparent, and the cruelties ever more severe.
If we are to follow laws that do not apply to our masters. If our masters are given the fruits of all of our labors while we search our dirt floors for crumbs as they laugh in their mansions discussing ways to extract even more from their impoverished serfs. Perhaps we are less than serfs, perhaps we are dogs that now only lick the hands of the masters that beat us. Perhaps the dream of shared prosperity and happiness has finally died within our hearts and our minds.
Perhaps we deserve our fate because we so meekly, even proudly in some cases accept it.
[font size="1"; color="191970"](originally posted by me as an OP Mon Apr 21, 2014, 01:40 PM http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024852198)[/font]
[font size="1"; color="green"]*this OP was inspired by this one that went largely unread as well as what is common knowledge regarding the financial elite in the speculative and banking "industries" that break laws with impunity and the blessing of our government[/font]
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,380 posts)... if Clinton uttered anything "clearly". She usually speaks legalese in long, subject-changing pretzels of sentences.
Perjury will be a matter of parsing multiple possible meanings of "is".
amborin
(16,631 posts)uponit7771
(90,371 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)She's world renowned.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Oh yeah, and a whole bunch of Independents. You do realize that they always call the GE winner. 1/3rd Rs, 1/3 Ds, and 1/3 Is.
Of course the system is crafted to subvert that simple math.
cali
(114,904 posts)paulthompson
(2,398 posts)I've just spent the past couple of hours investigating this. Grasswire, your headline actually is not true. These are the emails of Huma Abedin, Clinton's former deputy chief of staff. All her emails are going to be released in monthly batches stretching into 2017, and this is the first release.
That said, there are a few dozen emails in this batch sent to or from Hillary Clinton. I've analyzed those, and a majority of them were NOT included in the 30,000 work related emails that Clinton made public. Yet most if not all of them are clearly work related. In fact, in some cases, the email to Clinton was public released, and yet the reply Clinton made was not!
So what this tells me, based on the percentages from this small sample, is that thousands of Clinton's deleted emails were in fact work related. This is what I already surmised in the essay I wrote a few days ago:
http://thompsontimeline.com/IS_CLINTON%27S_EMAIL_SCANDAL_FOR_REAL%3F
None of the Clinton emails I saw from this batch seem to contain any obvious bombshells. But then again we only have a small sample of a few dozen emails. Based on this sample, I think it's safe to say that the number of classified emails is going to go up significantly, when all of her 31,000 deleted emails are accounted for.
Hopefully I'll be able to write more on this tomorrow, after doing some more digging. But this shows that, if nothing else, the FBI should have a slum dunk case if they want to prosecute Clinton for obstruction of justice and destruction of evidence. Remember, Clinton has said that she turned over all her work emails, and if anything was a borderline case, she turned that over too, just to be sure. That clearly is not true.
This is the fourth case we've seen of more of her work emails coming out, and there's bound to be more with each new batch of Huma Abedin emails that comes out, since most of these were a random sample. That process will continue into 2017. Furthermore, lawsuits are in motion to release the emails of her other top aides, and why would her deleted emails only be sent to or from Abedin? So we're likely to see a steady release of emails Clinton deleted literally for the next couple of years.
paulthompson
(2,398 posts)Oh, and two of the emails reveal another private email address Clinton used for work that was previously unknown until now: hr15@att.blackberry.net or hr15@mycingular.blackberry.net. I think they're the same email, since ATT and Cingular are the same company.
The more info that comes out, the worse this story gets for her.
TheBlackAdder
(28,252 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)What source are the Abedin EMails coming from? DOS? the Thumb Drive her lawyer stored? FBI Recovery? And, who is deciding which batches get released first?
Thanks, again, Paul for all your work on this!
thesquanderer
(12,000 posts)She determined what was work related, not by reviewing the emails, but by implementing some algorithms. Specifically, anything sent to or from a .gov address was considered work-related (which would not capture email to anyone else who was using the clintonemail.com domain, i.e. her staff who also had email accounts on the private server); and also emails that had certain keywords (like "libya" or "benghazi" . There are an awful lot of holes in that approach. I can't see any way she can get justify the idea that emails sent to her deputy chief of staff (among others) were, as a whole, not work-related.
I discussed some of this in more detail at http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511849873
Bob41213
(491 posts)To cover her behind. Oh, there were some work related emails I missed? Oops, my algorithm must have missed them, my bad. It was part of the deniability.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)....lumping everything that is part of the investigation as that.
Uncle Joe
(58,524 posts)Thanks for the thread, grasswire.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)oasis
(49,480 posts)This kind of crap would never end.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)Seriously, were you too embarrassed to even include the link? If you're going to use a far right group founded by that crackpot Birther conspiracy theorist Larry Klayman, be loud and proud of that affliation.
"The organization has played a key role in the ongoing controversy over the email system Hillary Clinton used as secretary of state. Records obtained from the State Department by Judicial Watch have served as fodder in the media and for the House Select Committee on Benghazi."
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/10/02/meet-judicial-watch-a-driving-force-behind-the/205941
The GOP and their friends at Judicial Watch, thank you for supporting their efforts to weaken the leading Democratic candidate and put Trump in the White House.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)So if the information is appropriate, the fact that "we" don't like the messenger, is pretty much a moot point.
It's a pretty good racket set up to protect her, and denigrate those who deign to offer inconvenient facts. If I or one of mine is about to get run over, I really don't care if it is my friendly neighbor or the one I don't like who yells to get my attention. I need to get the heck out of the street.
Same here. Sorry, Kill the Messenger, as I will also be labeled, is getting Old, Tired, Ignorant and just plain Stupid as a political technique, considering the potential harm that lies ahead.
Yet, I realize that's about all there is, as the Emperess has no Political Clothes.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)a Clinton appointee.
Ignore at your peril. It's HRC who has angered the judge.
procon
(15,805 posts)This was from a disputed FOIA request. There was no "angry" judge, just a legal OK on an agreement between the two sides.
"Judge Emmet G. Sullivan, of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia, approved a joint proposal presented by Judicial Watch and the State Department ...
"Based on information learned during discovery, the deposition of Mrs. Clinton, may be unnecessary," Sullivan wrote.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/04/politics/hillary-clinton-email-state-department/index.html
Your fictionalized interpretation is as biased as the similar alarms and admonitions found in rightwing forums where a mass of conspiracy theorists are just as convinced that any day now the smoking guns will magically pop up and take down Hillary so their guy can win unopposed. Best of luck.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Lawsuits filed by Judicial Watch. One judge was appointed by Bill Clinton.
That's not "Conspiracy Theory" and Your Source is the discredited David Brock.
Demsrule86
(68,788 posts)Is always conspiracy theory.
procon
(15,805 posts)Is that supposed to mean a FOIA request is more serious, or legitimate when a Clinton appointed judge signs off on it? And how did this Brock fellow appear?
Here, let me walk you through this particular Conspiracy Theory, which has nothing to do with judges, but rather the volume of noise coming from the cottage industry built by rightwing wackos and passed on by the Bernie camp, two unlikely factions that are dedicated to taking down Hillary Clinton.
Both groups are convinced that this ruling is something more than it is at face value, and they speculate, hypothesis, and confabulate, they fantasize and weave together the most complex conspiracy theories to support their yearning need for validation. How many times has this fiction been repeated every time a new player comes on stage? A few days ago it was the Romanian hacker, today it's the Clinton judge, and tomorrow might be something even better, you postulate, that will be the one, for sure, or maybe this is really going to be the last nail in Hillary's coffin that paves the route free and clear for your candidate to win.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)2cannan
(344 posts)This is from Paul Thompson's Clinton Email Scandal Timeline.
snip
Shortly After March 2, 2015: The main government watchdog trying to get Clinton's emails is silenced by a Clinton ally. Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) had been pursuing the public release of all of Clinton's emails. CREW has been one of the top political watchdog organizations, targeting unethical and corrupt behavior in both major political parties. But in August 2014, CREW was effectively taken over by David Brock, a close Clinton ally who runs the main Super PAC (political action committee) for her presidential campaign. In December 2012, CREW filed the first Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request seeking Clinton's emails from when she was secretary of state, and that began a long legal battle over the issue. However, after Clinton's email scandal becomes public following a New York Times story on it on March 2, 2015, the new CREW leadership decides not to pursue the issue. Anne Weismann, CREW's chief counsel who led the search for the emails, will later comment, "It was made quite clear to me that CREW and I would not be commenting publicly on the issue of Secretary Clinton using a personal email account to conduct agency business. The fact that we said nothing on that subject says volumes." Weismann soon quits CREW as a result. Others also quit. Louis Mayberg, a cofounder of CREW, quits in March 2015, saying, "I have no desire to serve on a board of an organization devoted to partisanship." He also says that CREW's lack of action regarding the email scandal is another key factor in his departure. (Bloomberg News, 4/11/2016)
http://thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_-_Long_Version_-_Part_4
procon
(15,805 posts)There is nothing gained by trying to deny that organization has been actively fanning the email story with wild accusations, rumors from unnamed sources and salacious quotes from an anonymous contact close to the top. That sort of unsupported claptrap has always passed for evidence in Republican circles, but only recently has the Bernie bunch fund their soulmate in these GOP propaganda sources.
Look, if you're going to criticise Media Matters for pointing out what has been common knowledge for years, and reminding readers that Judicial Watch is a rightwing front group intent on helping elect Republicans, then you must also eliminate this Paul Thompson's Clinton Email Scandal Timeline for bias, too. The author of that connect-the-dots essay admits that his "aim is to document what Clinton did wrong, not what she did right." So right up front he lays out his biases and warns that his "website is attempting to make the case that the email scandal is a real scandal..." yeah, OK.
Did I mention, bias? When the writer of this epistle proudly declares, "Personally, I support Bernie Sanders," everything he says is cast in suspicion, yeah?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)And I say that not just because I have $5 and a pizza riding on it, but because this woman's idiocy is consuming valuable time we could be using to solve problems.
Kick. Rec. Bookmark.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Can't you see she's exhausted?
KoKo
(84,711 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)2cannan
(344 posts)Demsrule86
(68,788 posts)Since the archaic state server was hacked more than once!
AzDar
(14,023 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)He allows the Clintons and the Kissingers to use his Villa for Christmas vacations.
And his fashions stink.
complain jane
(4,302 posts)The Secretary of State was exhausted!!!!!!!!