2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo now the Sanders campaign is saying that the Superdelegates should vote...
....for the candidate who won any state with a "landslide" victory. I presume that they're okay with the Superdelegates voting on their own in other states?
Okay, let's now look at it FIVE different ways:
- Voting as currently committed so far (something that the Sanders campaign is upset with)
- Voting for the winner of each state
- Voting for the winner in "landslide" states, presumably letting them vote as committed in non-landslide states (what constitutes " landslide"? Let's look at both >60% and >65%
- Voting proportionally the way the state primary/caucus went.
Here we go (for only states that have voted so far*):
Current: Clinton 389, Sanders 33, Clinton +356
Winner take all: Clinton 374, Sanders 156, Clinton +218
Landslide >60%: Clinton 386, Sanders 95, Clinton +291
Landslide >65%: Clinton 387, Sanders 73, Clinton +314
Proportional: Clinton 279, Sanders 244, Clinton +35
*totals differ because not all SDs have committed yet in these states
The bottom line is that using each of the evolving schemes of the Sanders campaign, she still winds up with more Superdelegates than Sanders. The only scenario not looked at here is strong-arming and harassing Superdelegates, but I suspect that would backfire miserably.
So, with a current lead of 290 pledged delegates AND with each of these scenarios showing Clinton ahead in Superdelegates, the "path to victory" has reached a:
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)The latest BS thinking is that all of the superdelegates, without exception, should vote for him, because apparently there was an opinion poll showing that he would do better against Trump than Hillary would. And this supposedly justifies overturning Hillary's clear majority of pledged delegates chosen by the voters as well as her majority of several million popular votes.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)so let's nominate a cute puppy
George II
(67,782 posts)Sancho
(9,070 posts)Even though inexperienced, he has a great resume!!
Comes from a rescue background and identifies with low-income neighborhoods.
Even though we don't really know the nationality of his parents, he was definitely born in the USA!!!
He's SMART - already using the doggy door to go out!
He's very vocal and can speak in any situation.
He draws a crowd, and is really good at mingling!
I think we have a winner - setting up a Super PAC for donations now! We'll post a link soon!
nilram
(2,894 posts)This was from an interview from, as best I can tell, around May 7, 2008. Transcription and emphasis by me.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: How does this end, and when?
HILLARY CLINTON: Well, I think, Brian, it ends after everyones had a chance to vote, after we have decided how were going to seat the Michigan and Florida delegates, which I hope happens on May 31st. We have less than three weeks to go until everyones had a chance to be heard. And then its going to be up to the Democratic party, all of the delegates, ah, most particularly those who are still uncommitted, ah, to make their determination as to who they think would be the best president and the better candidate. But at some point, well know who has 2,210 delegates. I think well have a nominee, um, I really believe that, but, again, well know a lot more on June 4th and, uh, maybe I just have, ah, more patience than, ah, the average person these days but, ah, for me its ah, a privilege and a joy to travel around our country to make my case to, ah, people from one coast to the other and, ah, to ah, continue to ah , you know, work as hard as I can to win this nomination and thats what I intend to do and, you know, well get to, ah, June the 4th, ah, after the last votes are cast on June the 3rd and I think well have a better idea about where we stand.
BW: For you to be the nominee it would take a wholesale shift of ah, super-delegates, in effect, overturning, um, the pledged delegates and those individual state elections. Would you be comfortable with that?
HC: Well, I think that, ah, the super-delegates are there for a purpose, that is to, ah, determine who they think would be the stronger candidate and the best President. Ah, super-delegates are not bound to vote any way, they can change their minds, ah, they can go to the convention and change their minds, there is no , ah, guarantee and in fact, its equally true for pledged delegates for most states. Ah, obviously people are going to look at the results, but I think that its also important to look at where the delegates came from, ah, how many people actually elected those delegates, what the kind of, ah, ah, outcomes were, who has a, a bigger base to build an electoral majority on. But at the end of the day, Brian, you know, maybe its because we live in such a, a media bubble and its 24-7 and theres such an intense interest in this campaignEverybody should just take a deep breath. Were gonna know a lot more in about three weeks than we do right now and and that is More than enough time for us to unify our party for us to be, you know, absolutely committed to ah, ah winning in November and I, I believe thats whats going to happen.
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)That kind of entitled, bullying, whining, (whatever it is called) is all so off putting.
WhiteTara
(29,731 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)This guy (above) obviously KNEW what he was getting into... he shouldn't have jumped in to begin with.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Gothmog
(145,821 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...convention" really is.
In their terms, even the 2008 Democratic National Convention was "contested" even though Hillary Clinton conceded to Barack Obama and threw her support behind him almost two months earlier.