It's cute how Hillary's fans are acting like social media is silly and meaningless.

[vintx]

How much did her campaign spend to get people to post in support of her?

Face it, young people aren't buying into this two party, good cop / bad cop bullshit. They dominate social media and their dissatisfaction with the Democratic party's Republican-liteness is obvious.

Don't blame liberals if your candidate loses. As Skinner said, the amount of progressives who won't vote for her is tiny.

It's all the middle of the road, not so politically inclined, 'politics is bullshit so why bother' types who will be her undoing, should she fall to win them over in the coming months.

Fortunately she will probably be running against Trump. His vulgar awfulness will motivate some people to vote against him. Many, however, know that the real power is with Congress, which thanks to the two party's collusion to maintain a stranglehold on power is gerrymandered beyond hope.

We like to point the finger at Republicans and say how corrupt and all about power and money they are. This election will show how few people on the left are still under the impression that none of that applies to Dems.

[Capt. Obvious]

1. I haven't seen anyone expressing that sentiment

[Matt_in_STL]

5. Here's a current thread for you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1903989

[JaneyVee]

2. Where do you guys get this stuff from?

[leftynyc]

44. From one thread on DU

That's obviously representative of ALL Hillary supporters. C'mon, get with the program.

[leftynyc]

45. Although I freely admit

I find the twitter universe 90% below grade school level thinking. Never had any desire to join it.

[WhiteTara]

3. The real power is at the local level. This is where

all politician learn their chops and it is almost totally ignored by Democrats and has been for many years, which is why the pukes have such a strangle hold on Congress. If social media would teach people to be more engaged, then I'm all for it. But for the most part it seems to be a way to get out inner aggression.

[BernieforPres2016]

4. "As Skinner said, the amount of progressives who won't vote for her is tiny."

People can assert whatever they like but that doesn't make it so.

[vintx]

7. Skinner knows politics. nt

[BernieforPres2016]

46. Sorry, appeals to authority don't cut it for me

There is nothing progressive about Hillary Clinton.

[mythology]

6. Considering that the primaries are won by voting

Yes a snarky hashtag is meaningless.

But it's also obnoxious how so many people thing that the Democratic party is similar to the Republicans. Perhaps if you got off social media you might realize the parties are more divided than since Reconstruction. It's hard to take your complaint about the vital importance of social media when you get it so wrong on if the parties are similar.

http://www.vox.com/polyarchy/2016/3/24/11298808/american-politics-peak-polarization

[vintx]

8. I used to preach that same line.

But in too many areas (economy, militarization, free trade, etc) they are too much alike.

[Tarc]

9. Hashtag activism isn't activism

[vintx]

13. Correct. What it is is an indicator.

Her campaign knows, even if her fans refuse to see the writing on the wall.

[KittyWampus]

16. So are Sanders' huge rallies also an "indicator"? LOL

[vintx]

22. Yes, they are.

Keep laughing.

[Tarc]

23. It's an indicator that some people have a lot of free time on their hands

and like to express themselves in abbreviated, 140-char bursts.

This is about as ill-informed as all the "I see lots of Bernie yard signs around but never any Hillary ones. Bernie is so YUUUUGE around here!" we've had to endure over the last dew months at the DU.

[vintx]

25. How much did Hillary spend to fund such time wasting?

You must think her campaign is run by morons

[FSogol]

28. Steven Pastis said it best:

[LexVegas]

10. It's cute how Bernie's fans are acting like minority voters are silly and meaningless.

It's why he is getting his ass kicked by HRC.

[vintx]

12. Did you not notice how many minorities and women are using that hashtag?

BTW for the record, I'm a female, mixed race (Latina)

[LexVegas]

14. Have you noticed that Bernie is getting his ass kicked? nt

[artislife]

19. So is she, that is why you all are crying for him to stop. nt

[vintx]

21. He's not that far behind her. And part of the reason he is behind

Is dws/DNC bullshit, and it has been noticed.

[Tarc]

29. His numbers are way, way behind

It cost him the primary.

[Ace Rothstein]

31. Bernie is far enough behind at this point that he doesn't have much of a shot of catching her.

And he is behind strictly because of the number of votes both candidates have received.

I voted for Bernie in the Illinois primary but the delusions of some other supporters is getting to an embarrassing level.

[vintx]

33. Please describe which delusions, specifically, you are referring to

Is Joe Biden deluded?

Joe Biden understands something about the Democratic Party and its future that his fellow partisans would do well to consider. “I don’t think any Democrat’s ever won saying, ‘We can’t think that big—we ought to really downsize here because it’s not realistic,’” the vice president told The New York Times in April. “C’mon man, this is the Democratic Party! I’m not part of the party that says, ‘Well, we can’t do it.’” Mocking Hillary Clinton’s criticism of Bernie Sanders for proposing bold reforms, Biden dismissed the politics of lowered expectations. “I like the idea of saying, ‘We can do much more,’ because we can,” he declared, leading the Times to observe that, while Biden wasn’t making an endorsement, “He’ll take Mr. Sanders’s aspirational approach over Mrs. Clinton’s caution any day.”

Unwittingly or not, Biden made an even better case than Sanders has for taking his insurgent campaign all the way to the Democratic convention in Philadelphia. If the party is going to run in 2016 on a “do much more” agenda—as opposed to triangulating around the center—the Vermont senator’s supporters and like-minded Democrats, including Clinton’s progressive backers, will have to force the issue. Taking the Sanders insurgency to the convention is the paramount vehicle for placing demands that are ideological and, as Biden’s comments suggest, also strategic. That’s one reason why Sanders promised in a statement on April 26 to go to the convention with “as many delegates as possible to fight for a progressive party platform”—despite the fact that Clinton’s delegate advantage now all but guarantees that she will win the nomination.

(More at link)

http://www.thenation.com/article/bernies-philadelphia-challenge/

[Ace Rothstein]

35. The delusional that Bernie has a chance to be the nominee at this point.

[vintx]

39. Are you saying it's impossible, or highly improbable?

Let's see who's actually delusional.

[Ace Rothstein]

41. Highly improbable.

Pretty much all the current polling for the remaining states needs to be off by 20-25% for Bernie to win. It just isn't going to happen

[vintx]

17. Some if not most of those fake followers are marketing...

Spam accounts are everywhere and follow everyone.

It'd be interesting to know how many aren't spam accounts though.

[Joob]

15. Don't worry, they did polls, not many Bernie or Busters, they can't blame us when they lose.

If she wins nomination

[vintx]

24. Yep, but still you see people here angrily lashing out at us.

They aren't acting like they're confident she can win

They're worried, and they should be.

[Agschmid]

26. Don't paint with such a broad brush.

Sure there are a few "lashing out" but most of us aren't.

We are just watching, and what we see isn't pretty. Either one of these candidates could do the job, and do it pretty well. Right now one candidate is in the lead, and mathematically it looks challenging for the other to catch up. Neither should drop out, there is no reason too.

I'm not worried about the democratic primary, either candidate will be fine.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried about the GE, and both of our candidates worry me for different reasons. Anyone who thinks that beating Trump will be easy isn't paying attention.

Anyways, don't paint with such a broad brush.

[vintx]

27. Point taken

However I contend that most of the Hillary supporters here have said ugly things about us.

[Agschmid]

30. I'm sure some have, and that goes both ways.

Unfortunately many people spend time on attacking each other.

Which doesn't get us anywhere.

Thanks.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Of course the power of social media should be acknowledged.

But it is fair to point out that the suggestion that the candidate who is currently 3,000, 000 votes ahead should drop out of the race is nonsensical, regardless of the medium in which the message is delivered.

[vintx]

20. It's a reaction to the (far less popular) 'dropoutbernie' hashtag.

Hillary's fans should learn how this works.

You throw shade, you will get a reaction.

[Agschmid]

32. I think you just made the point for us...

#DropOutBernie is far less popular... For a reason.

That's correct, because not all of us think that. That right there is difference, again the brush is too broad.

[vintx]

34. The reason it is less popular is she has less support from younger aged people

Which is also why her campaign paid for online support.

Not because fewer of her supporters think he should drop out.

[Agschmid]

37. I disagree.

But that happens.

[iandhr]

43. The difference between Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters is....

... we let are votes do the talking. Hashtags don't win elections.

[KingFlorez]

36. It certainly doesn't win races

[LanternWaste]

38. You shine out like a shaft of gold when all around is dark.

You shine out like a shaft of gold when all around is dark.

[BootinUp]

40. Social media is definitely a mixed bag. However its usefulness and meaningfulness

is certainly not overlooked by the Hillary campaign and I don't know why any fan would think differently. Perhaps you are confusing criticism of certain uses as a criticism of the whole.

[iandhr]

42. People on twitter calling on person winning to drop out is pretty silly.

It's amazing people don't think that.

[pdsimdars]

47. Flip flops are good for your feet, but not for your values.

[bettyellen]

48. blaming Dems for the gerrymandering that they have been fighting? Learn that from tweets, I bet.