2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie should negotiate to abolish the superdelegate system in return for dropping out.
I think given the circumstances that might be possibility. No one really likes it and it wouldn't take effect until the next election.
Getting rid of the influence of the superdelegates would be a fitting legacy to what Bernie has accomplished. It could pave the way for a new insurgent candidate in the next election. That would have made it all worthwhile... imo.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)That is the point of this post.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)How?
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)..."Hillary Victory Fund".
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)Let's say you had a massive media black-out, one person that laundered the "Hillary Victory Fund" from all of the state's DNC funds for just her campaign, you had over 400 "Super"delegates on your side so you started out with 400 extra delegates...which is shown on every network as actual current votes...then you produce lies on a grandiose scale spread through your media about your opponent not being American or he is a Muslim...oh wait that was last election, this one it is her opponent is racist and sexist...that would be theft.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I really think he's willing to bet it all on a long shot win, no matter how many DNCers he alienates.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)His leverage is fairly strong now and more much than if he waits until after June 7 when he is likely to get plastered in CA, NJ and NM.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)They are offering nothing to him and they won't.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)The DNC might balk but they have to see the benefits of bringing new blood into the party and getting rid of the superdelegates would certainly be a start in that direction.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)The GOP wishes they had superdelegates right about now. It would have prevented someone like Trump from getting the nomination. It's a good check to have.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Its time has come and gone... imo.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)The people should be empowered and trusted to nominate the candidate who they find most deserving. If the party feels threatened by that, the party needs to change.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)I get your point but it makes me wonder when it would come up that the SD's would be needed to stop a Dem version of Trump simply because that version does not exist.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)not as noxious as Trump but a demagogue all the same. I sleep a little safer at night knowing that 450 superdelegates stand between him and the Presidency.
BootinUp
(47,209 posts)he is interested in making a deal.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)He has said he will remain a Dem and that he will support the Democratic Nominee. I am certain that more has been discussed behind closed doors.
jehop61
(1,735 posts)anyone who's never been a member of the Party be the one to set it's rules?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)It could be a real unifier.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)to get our money. He's one of us. /s
LexVegas
(6,121 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)They do not want to fight him all the way to Philly. I am sure of that.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)anything with democrats is questionable.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)but he needs to do it soon.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)The superdelegates rarely have anything to do with the outcome. Their votes are 99.9% of the time a mere formality, as will be the case this year.
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northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)EVERY ELECTION IS A CAUCUS. SOME START AS PRIMARIES, BUT YOU VOTE ON THE DELEGATES.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)I have been saying it for years. In this day and age, caucuses should not exist. They disenfranchise far too many people and are not democratic. They should have been eliminated years ago.
Lets make it the popular vote then. Seems the most democratic way to go.
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)I would rather Hillary adopt tuition free college and Medicare for all and a few others. Notably I think Hillary should be held to the fire and FORCED to sign a pledge to support Net Neutrality or agree to give up all the money she currently has.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)In a two person race, there can not be a contested convention. 2383 are needed, which is an odd number. At this point in the primary, it would require some form of miracle for him to catch up.
That said, I won't be surprised if he comes forward after the last primary and supports her. That would be followed with him writing a number of planks in the Democratic Platform. I doubt that he wants a cabinet post, but putting parts of his agenda up front during the General Election and as part of Clinton's agenda in the first four years would be a win for him as it would influence the direction of the Democratic Party for a long time.
There are a lot of issues that Sanders and Clinton agree on, though most of the arguments here tend to ignore that.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)But is still would leave so much anger, since they basically stole the election with more votes than Cali right out o the gate.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)of the voting
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... this is a hand he's going to lose. His "all-in" bluff isn't going to work
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)But its devolved into a personality cult now so Bernie and fans will still be "fighting for the nomination" on Hillary's first day in the oval office no doubt.
Vinca
(50,323 posts)and, as a Sanders supporter, now find I'm being insulted and being called part of a cult. I swear. It's posts like yours that make me root for an indictment.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)According to Sanders fans I am a war monger, a tool of the rich, an employee of David Brock, unthoughtful, ignorant, Stockholm syndrome victim, right wing conservadem...blah blah blah.
You vote for whoever you want to, or sit home and feel all superior. I could care less.
If you want your loved ones to live under Trump's quasi religious police state I can't stop you.