2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders has been treated gently, with no negative ads run
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/05/bernie_sanders_electability_argument_is_still_a_myth.htmlSanders is in fact somebody that Karl Rove and Company would truly love to face in a general election. Remember how they abused Kerry the war hero in 2004?
Sanders is in fact a man with a long history of goofy views, who has generously published them. He is not even slightly electable outside of the people who already support him.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)We are trying to keep it clean.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)It looks clean to me.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)He's toast, I think the OP is dead serious.
And I didn't even mention how he laundered money using multiple family foundations.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)and make crap up. Clinton was President Obama's Secretary of State, not the other way around. Sanders was not required to suck up to the NRA, dismiss black and democratic party voters, talk about rape fantasies and kiddies diddling each other while not going to school because of "bitchy" teachers. He choose to do that for his own reasons. He may be electable in Vermont in a general election, but he isn't nationally. As disgusting as Trump is, he has taken none of those positions.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Those are worse than the made up bullshit used against Hillary, and you're not afraid to even describe them!
Wow. Kiddies diddling? Really?
You must be very proud to post that one.
mooseprime
(474 posts)on the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas!
and haiti!
and honduras!
and syria!
and libya!
and greenlighting arms sales to saudi arabia in exchange for foundation "donations"!
and yes on Operation Business Opportunity!
and using office to push fracking all over the world!
all of which are easy to defend, and besides, no republican would ever dream of hammering the crap out of them during the GE!
LOVE AND KINDNESS(TM)
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Now THAT is how to multitask!
Why have wars and famine when you can have wars and famine AND draw fat donations to your Sanders Family Foundation?
mooseprime
(474 posts)FedGov business files on a server at home!
and change what you say incessantly depending on who is listening!
mooseprime
(474 posts)my abuela says that exact same thing all the time!
mooseprime
(474 posts)can whip us up a
SANDERS CRIME RW ATTACK GENERATOR
website. just click!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)griffi94
(3,733 posts)Bernie isn't going to be the nominee.
He'll probably keep up the fire breathing rhetoric
but he has no chance now.
Probably best to let him burn himself out.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)Nope. x1000. If Bernie wants to run a party, he can scuttle off to the backwoods of Vermont and create one.
Until then, his temper tantrum doesn't entitle him to shit all over the Democratic Party just because he's a sore loser.
angrychair
(8,753 posts)He is the longest serving Independent in the history of Congress.
He has caucused with Democrats in Congress every one of those years.
He was the co-founder and first leader of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
He has one of the most liberal records in Congress.
You hate for him is misguided and wrong-headed. You are cutting off your nose to spite your face.
griffi94
(3,733 posts)But he's losing his audience now.
I would prefer that Hillary just go around him.
Then next year when the dust has settled...senate Democrats can teach him how politics aint bean bag.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)position. He really needs to figure out what is best for the country. Which isn't continuing down a path that will only make his long holding out more painful for his supporters.
griffi94
(3,733 posts)except Bernie hasn't really been serving himself well the last couple
of months.
He did much better when he stayed on message.
since he's now taken up fire breathing he's been getting
steamrolled.
Maybe it is his ego or his anger that won't let him stop the lashing out.
In any case. He's not going to be our nominee.
I didn't have a negative opinion of him til recently.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)Wow, someone needs a 'tood transplant.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)Babble-speak.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)I hope this is not widespread Democratic thinking these days...jebus.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)sad sad sad sad sad
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)(This was in the middle of the Iranian hostage crisis.) ". I haven't even finished reading past this and I'm already cringing.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)the die hards.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,540 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)BootinUp
(47,211 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)What a wuss.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)naked and touch each other before growing up to have rape fantasies after not being forced to go to school.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)That's your personal business.
moriah
(8,311 posts)... it would have been / will be our job to defend those positions.
I was glad Mother Jones got rid of (for most of us) the new off the old opinion piece about male and female interactions -- no, it wasn't a rape apology, because fantasy is very different than reality. The idea of a "rape fantasy" is inherently an oxymoron, because in fantasy one has ultimate control, and rape is when that control is taken away.
Additionally, the rest of his argument was so spot-on that it described perfectly the ending of a relationship I had in 1998 -- decades after the opinion piece.
If I could dig up my original words I would, but I tried the search function and my tablet hates it.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)best way to deal with them would have been to claim they are ancient, but that is really weak.
moriah
(8,311 posts).. with any thinking person.
What was funniest was when the person I broke up with in 1998 for being too controlling and I became friends on FB in time for the election season, and he posted that smear. I knew he listened to talk radio back then, which was a bad sign, but he was never a social conservative. Now, only socially conservative on abortion. Thank God I dumped him, we would have killed each other as I matured.
After explaining how rape fantasy isn't actually possible but defending the BDSM community and others who have consensual kinks involving the loss of control....
I then said "As for the rest... wouldn't you agree a lot of that applied to male/female interaction even in 1998?"
He said.... "I never would have seen it that way, but I have to admit you have a point."
Edit: it was a rebound relationship, and he was older than me. It was all cool despite some suspicious behaviors (not wanting me to work, me having no transportation outside of him, etc) ntil he didn't want to let me see female friends who disliked him because they knew him through the SCA, and finally when he relented to drive me to see a woman I had known since I was 5 and was more than just a friend but family, that he would go to a "tittle bar" while I saw her. (I have nothing against men going on principle, but....)
I recognized it as a verbal slap which I wasn't going to accept, and it gave me the best breakup line ever -- "Have fun, because you aren't seeing these again.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Now this bro has a great deal for you. I own a bridge in Brooklyn...
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)that was quite the negative ad
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)We are a democratic republic and not a junta.