2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHey does anyone know offhand how many Corporations are Superdelegates offhand?
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I'm just curious. Isn't interesting that they now have voting rights in our "democracy" ?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)About 70 of superdelegates are also lobbyists, including those for civil rights groups, environmentalists, women's rights, unions, etc.
Hope that helps.
LiberalFighter
(51,299 posts)Especially when including unions. Nearly all of them are just leaders or activists. It is likely that the number is 6 or less matching the number of states nearby that is easy travel to DC. Spots open for each state would likely be limited to one as those positions are limited.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)here is a list of SD
it's color coded for your convenience
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016
tokenlib
(4,186 posts)...in other words, too many...
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)tokenlib
(4,186 posts)It annoys me when people know damn well what someone means to say, and decide to be nitpicky because they are not on your side of an issue..
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)where Jimmy Carter's vote end up.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)onenote
(42,829 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)onenote
(42,829 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)onenote
(42,829 posts)who financially support the party, in some instances have represented the party in elections, to be involved in the selection of the party's candidate?
Agree to disagree.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)For obvious reasons.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)it this way: Union lobbyists can be in, since they represent people who have a voting voice (ostensibly) in our democracy. Corporate lobbyists cannot, since they aren't people as defined by voting law.
Social service organizations can have lobbyists as delegates, because they represent people who can vote. Corporate lobbyists cannot, since they aren't people, as defined by voting law.
etc.
The day corporations gain the right to vote is the only day I deem acceptable for them to have their lobbyists as voting members in our convention, due to conflict potential conflicts of interests,- and due to the mere possibility of a non-person entity gaining undue position with our democracy being so important it must be codified.
That is my position, and I now present it to whichever delegates my be here or lurking. Anyone is welcome to chime in with thoughts. But let us talk this out and see where it really goes...THat' what the primary is for! And we ARE still in a primary.
onenote
(42,829 posts)I'm not sure that line drawing works.
The key to me is whether they have made a significant contribution, in time, in money, in other ways, to the Democratic Party. That's what should be the primary qualifying factor to be a super delegate, if we're going to have super delegates.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)So one of the keys to qualify as a super delegate is to buy your way in?
I guess there will be many Banker and fossil fuel execs that "take the time to make significant donations", that will soon (if not already) be voting as such superpowered delegates, votes I might add that are equivalent to the votes of thousands of regular voters (every delegate superman ones or not represent thousands of citizen votes)
Nice sweet deal for an oligarchy in the making.
onenote
(42,829 posts)Helping to raise money for Democratic candidates is a legitimate factor in picking super delegates, if there are going to are going to be super delegates. Not the only factor.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Expounding doesn't add a single corporation.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)is decidedly unhelpful to the conversation during this primary, which goes on.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)according to ABC. Zero Hedge claims that known lobbyists make up 9% of the superdelegates.
http://truthinmedia.com/report-lobbyists-among-democratic-superdelegates/
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)I will stick with the goal post set by the original OP.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Thats at least 67 lobbyists who will attend the convention as superdelegates. A majority of them have already committed to supporting Hillary Clinton for the nomination.
And 41 lobbyist superdelegates, almost six in 10 of all lobbyist superdelegates, have already committed to supporting Clinton.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/reason-dozens-lobbyists-democratic-presidential-delegates/story?id=37289507
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)40 minutes to find it out. Those 67 delegates, if they support her already over Clinton, before the convention is even held, are choosing the Third Way Corporate agenda over the people's agenda. My point has been proven. It is a rot in the system.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Gomez163
(2,039 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Some new villains out to get Sanders?