Thank you Bernie Sanders For Running Such A Positive Campaign & Continuing To Do So.

[sabrina 1]

From the beginning Bernie has run an incredibly positive campaign. He has consistently refused to be drawn into negative personal attacks on his opponents.

Even after the David Brock smear attempts, many of them exposed, he continued to keep his focus on the issues.

Even after Hillary personally led one of the worst, most despicable personal attacks I have ever seen in any campaign against an opponent, he continued to focus on the issues.

I hope Hillary will tone down the smears against one of the most ethical and issues focused candidates we have seen in a long time.

One of the reasons I did not support her in 2008 was the awful negative attacks her campaign launched against Obama even to the point of an email going out from her campaign playing into the playing into the Right Wing meme that Obama was a 'Muslim Terrorist'.

I know it must be hard for Bernie NOT to respond to some of the awful smears generated from that right wing smear monger David Brock, the man who tried to destroy Anita Hill, yet he has refrained from doing so.

To exploit dead children to attack an opponent is probably one of the lowest campaign tactics any of us remember.

Hillary, who approved the sale of Remington arms to Saudi Arabia now being used in the awful brutal war in Yemen. owes Bernie Sanders an apology.


Meantime I want to thank Bernie once again for refraining from stooping to that level, I would probably lose all respect for him if he did.

Go Bernie, Onto the Convention and the Nomination.

[SidDithers]

1. Wow...nt

Sid

[Lucinda]

4. I know...just unreal.

[Octafish]

17. Class.

It's not something you can buy. Like integrity.

[sabrina 1]

56. Exactly Octafish. Class, Bernie has it in abundance as does Jane. They will make a great

couple to represent this country once elected.

[Octafish]

68. They are genuine.

Two intelligent, hard-working, kind-hearted people who make one great couple. And it shows.

The truly are outstanding representatives of ALL the People.

[mushroomhunter]

115. thanks for your post

yes they will! Go Bernie!

[SidDithers]

63. Given the people you admire - Paul Craig Roberts, Wayne Madsen, etc...

I'm happy to meet with your disapproval.

Sid

[Octafish]

71. I admire people who tell the truth. That's why I have a problem with you, siddithers of DU.

In the examples you cite, you again attempt to create the wrong impression about me.

I've asked you, repeatedly over the years, to show what you term my "propensity for promoting and legitimizing the work of noted bigots, racists, homophobes and conspiracy theorist lunatics. You're a guy who thinks white-nationalist Paul Craig Roberts and insane homophobe Wayne Madsen are credible, and appropriate sources for use on a progressive message board."

Seeing how you fail to actually show any of that, I want these to be in the record for all DU to see:

Where I quoted Roberts when he supported Don Siegelman:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022073759


Where I quoted Madsen recently to document the business links between Bush and bin Laden:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6059251


Where I first quoted Madsen on DU2 in 2003 (earlier examples exist, but none so illustrative):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x610051


Here's where you smear Naomi Klein, making me see the practice is your speciality:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5318151

I hope readers will note that I did not support any theory, smear, or lie; I only posted what these people wrote. And as far I as I knew or know, none of these people are anything like what SidDithers of DU describes.

What's more, as opposed to telling people they don't need to know or worry about something, I favor letting people determine for themselves.

[noretreatnosurrender]

73. Do you admire Henry Kissinger?

and David Brock?

[SidDithers]

78. No. And I've never promoted articles written by Henry Kissinger at DU...

I read Blinded by the Right a number of years ago. I don't have a strong opinion of him one way or the other. I guess I'm glad he's muckracking for Democrats instead of Republicans. He'll be on the right side in the General.

WRT to Kissinger, I think I disputed attribution of a quote of his, many years ago in the 9/11 forum, but that was more to highlight an asshat poster who was just making shit up.


Do you admire Paul Craig Roberts, Wayne Madsen, Christopher Bollyn and Don Fulsom, like the poster I replied to does?

Sid

[sabrina 1]

90. Henry Kissinger is a War Criminal wanted for questioning. Hillary admires and takes advice from

Kissinger she tells us. She is asking us for a job, the most important job a citizen can ask for. I would be fine with her 'admiring' Paul Craig Roberts who is not wanted anywhere for War Crimes to my knowledge. Surely you are not comparing him to notorious War Criminal Kissinger? Or a DU poster to someone running for the WH? Was there a point to your question?

[SidDithers]

113. Wow...

Defending an actual White Nationalist.



Sid

[rhett o rick]

122. Don't feed them. They are not here to discuss issues only look for oppurtunities to mock

and ridicule.

[sabrina 1]

123. Well, they try but all that happens is THEY become the objects of ridicule

themselves.

I notice the views here have gone down dramatically as so many of the people who drew readers here have moved on to bigger and better audiences and more healthy atmospheres.

And no one is going to go to a site where all they can read are what looks like a pre-school playground with no adults around.

It's kind of like going back to an old neighborhood and feeling sad at how it has deteriorated.

Nice to see you Rhett and Octafish and a few others left of those who made this site a place worth visiting.

[rhett o rick]

124. At some point they will just tell us to "sit down and shut up, or leave."

They so underestimate the power of the People. The movement will go on.

[CorporatistNation]

107. I Never Noticed Character for Sale Either...

..........................

[Sheepshank]

31. Never mind...this from the OP who insisted Bernie will win 50 states

...and had that talking point picked up by outlets outside of DU, who then offered links back to DU. Much to everyone's horror and complete embarrassment.

[CoffeeCat]

105. What a nice personal attack on a DUer

Posting on DU, about how you hope and predict that your candidate of choice will do extremely well--is not a bad thing. This is a messageboard after all. We're not writing Ph.D. dissertations.

"Everyone's horror and complete embarrassment"? Way to try to publicly humiliate this person, just because you don't agree with them.

You're behaving like a bully.

[frylock]

60. Deeply profound.

[Baobab]

75. Really well put

its true

[ViseGrip]

2. Thank you Bernie!!!

[Lucinda]

3. You have some seriously thick blinders on. He has been misrepresenting facts and lying

for several months now...

[bkkyosemite]

7. No it's you with the blinders

[sabrina 1]

9. Thanks, and thankfully most people even those who are not necessarily supporters, agree, that Bernie

has set an example of how campaigns ought to be run.

[Octafish]

12. Where?

Please show where Bernie Sanders has lied or misrepresented anything.

[sabrina 1]

21. He hasn't, that's the TALKING POINT to try to make us forget Hillary's awful smear exploiting

the Sandy Hook children. It's a Rovian tactic, we all recognize it, only way to fight the right wing monger David Brock is to tell the truth. Thanks Octafish for all you do in that regard.

[redstateblues]

101. Bernie railed for a year about "corruption" and when pressed for an example

He couldn't come up with one!

[sabrina 1]

110. Lol, what? Are you serious? He came up with plenty. But then we didn't need him to tell us

he merely confirmed what we already knew. It's not hard to come up with examples, in fact it's so easy that a child could it at this point it's so pervasive.

[Octafish]

118. Take the Swiss bank UBS.

Lots of friends who are like family work together in the "Weath Management" department.



Before UBS, they all worked together in Washington, where Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas) shepherded financial deregulation of the banks through Congress and President Bill Clinton (D-USA) signed it into law, the repeal of New Deal protections that kept Wall Street from using the taxpayers for their tab at the casino. President Bush was there, too, making sure the Banksters got away in 2008.

Forensic economist and former Fed regulator William K. Black wrote it reminds him of what happened during the Savings and Loans Crisis of the late 80s and early 90s. At the time, that was the greatest heist in history.

Bernie must've forgot. Or he never knew this, seeing how little the news media monopoly does to inform America.

[jfern]

19. You're projecting

[artislife]

23. He has been better behaved than

Hillary.

and



her supporters.

[frylock]

61. Enumerate the lies for us.

Take your time.

[Lizzie Poppet]

74. Feel free to cite a few, with links.

We'll all enjoy the laugh...

[Baobab]

76. what?

What?

tell me one lie

[JonLeibowitz]

77. I'll note that Hillary is spending heavily on a social media campaign.

One draws what conclusions one may from that.

[amborin]

5. Bernie could have launched withering attack ads on HRC in NY, on many issues; he did not

this despite her campaign and its surrogates continual smearing and swiftboating of Bernie

[sabrina 1]

6. When she tweeted that he was some how responsible for the horrible Sandy Hook

mass murder of children, I honestly don't who how he refrained from responding. But in retrospect, he did the right thing. I guess I just don't have his character so all I can do is admire it.

[amborin]

87. yes,

but he could have pointed out how she has fundraised w/ NRA lobbyists and sold all those weapons to human rights abusing countries

[Major Hogwash]

91. That was totally dispicable for her to do.

But, she has been running for the White House for a long time.
She is so desperate she blamed someone like Bernie for the tragedy of Sandy Hook just to score a few political points.
She loves to wallow in that sort of thing.

[sabrina 1]

109. Well, her longtime supporter, David 'sleazy' Brock is working for her so you can see who she

surrounds herself with. Some 'feminist' no, to work so closely with the man who tried to destroy Anita Hill. As for her 'gun' issue, that won't work for her.

I will NEVER forget that nasty, spiteful attack, and she can't take it back, we have her tweet. She was that frustrated when he won Wisconsin, that is what she was doing, exploiting a terrible tragedy like that is beneath any decent human being.

Not to mention, we have found out since then that by her own logic, SHE would be more responsible considering her multi million $$ arms deals for Remington and other Gun Manufacturers she approved the same year that Sandy Hook took place.

Shameful, I give Bernie credit for not responding as I know I would have. But he's a better person than I am thankfully.

[pdsimdars]

125. A good example of the kinds of "advisors" she'd have if she ever became president.

Not a pretty sight.

[redstateblues]

103. Bernie lost a lot of votes in NY when he went negative

And they know it-one reason they are ratcheting down the rhetoric.

[silvershadow]

8. He and Jane are class acts! nt

[sabrina 1]

11. Yes Bernie's campaign, his political ads, everything about the way he is running this campaign could

be used as a model of how to run a campaign based on the ISSUES I am so proud to be a supporter of such an ethical candidate and Jane will make an amazing First Lady

[silvershadow]

15. I agree with everything you wrote. I cannot wait. It will be a new day in America, and a

much needed gasp of fresh air.

[felix_numinous]

10. Bernie has raised the bar on presidential candidates

no one has been able to stay in the race this long speaking truth to power, which says a lot about his skills dealing with this harsh political climate. He has the disposition and the compassion necessary to lead the country, and deal with the challenges ahead.

[FlatBaroque]

13. I am a Berniecrat

and I wish all campaigns were run like Bernie ran his.

[pkdu]

36. I completely agree with..

..your use of past tense.

[sabrina 1]

66. How do you feel about the negative campaigns Hillary runs? How about 2008 and her personal attacks

on Bernie Sanders? She runs very negative campaigns then whines when someone responds to correct the smears coming from her campaign. Or do you think people should let her surrogates, like Brock, lie about them and not respond? All she has to do is tell Brock she wants nothing to do with him, as Bernie has told people who want to start Super Pacs for him.

[Demsrule86]

89. I think Bernie Sander has run a terribly negative campaign

He and his supporters have trashed Hillary Clinton...he has no path forward and has lost the primary. He should get out and stop making a fool of himself and taking money from college kids when he knows he has lost. Shame on you Bernie.

[sabrina 1]

93. So you don't want a campaign based on the records of the candidates then? THEY are responsible for

the stands they have taken on important issues, and campaigns are supposed to let voters know where they stood and stand on issues.

I know it must seem very negative to point out how so very often Hillary has been so very, very wrong on major issues, and I suppose it is. But that is not SANDERS FAULT. Surely you're not saying she should not take responsibility for her positions on issues, such as the Iraq War, Gay Rights, Welfare Reform, Wall St crimes, the Prison Industry etc. Are you SERIOUSLY blaming Sanders for what she did?

If you find it all so negative, and it sure was for those who suffered under the policies she supporters, then maybe like me, you need a different candidate. It's why I support Sanders, on every issue where Hillary was so tragically wrong he got it right. It makes it a lot easier when your candidate has be so great with such a long record, on the issues.

Hillary otoh, has been extremely personally nasty which can only be expected when you take advice from the likes of Wall St donors, yes they told her campaign manager to attack Sanders. Or David Brock, Right Wing smear monger, career smear monger. Or Henry Kissinger, no that's not a personal attack, she herself has stated how much she admires him.

I guess you're right, it's hard to run a positive campaign against someone whose record on issues, the people she aligns herself with, the Bushes too. You would have to say nothing at all about issues.

[Herman4747]

116. Not Bernie, BUT HILLARY'S OWN ACTIONS TRASHED HILLARY...

She's the one who needs to get out of the race.

[pdsimdars]

126. 'Disgusting' is the word that comes to mind.

[Vattel]

14. The Clinton campaign has been beneath contempt.

[sabrina 1]

108. Yes it has, no doubt about it. I just saw that her surrogate and longtime supporter the vile Mr

David Brock, has issued a press release admitting that he has spent over $1 Million on creating false accounts on Social Media to 'counter' Bernie supporters, some of them claiming to have been Bernie supporters. Well Mr Brock, you didn't need to tell us, your fake trolls never fooled anyone. Especially the 'I used to be a Bernie supporter' trolls. We laugh at how obvious they are. Get a real job, career smearmongering and dirty tricks are bad for the soul and body.

Why I love that Bernie never had to do that, that he relies only on truth and facts and his excellent record.

Winning isn't everything, but these despicable trolls who hang around the money in our politics that is what they are paid for, to 'win' at all costs. Simply disgusting.

By comparison, Bernie is so refreshing.

[YouDig]

16. His "positive" campaign is why he's "winning."

[sabrina 1]

24. Yes, he's won 19 states so far, imagine that, the candidate who was supposed to be 'done' by

the end of last summer. But once people get to know him, they recognize that this is who we need running this country right now, across the political spectrum.

And it's interesting, in all of those 19 states where he won, most by double digits, there was no voter suppression. Az and NY are a disgrace both now under investigation as they should be.

Even Obama lost patience with Hillary's nasty campaign tactics to the point of saying 'she'll say anything to win' and then 'do nothing'. I remember it all very well and am getting a real sense of deja vu.

[YouDig]

27. In delegates and votes, Hillary is way ahead.

Most of Bernie's wins came in caucus states, which are not very democratic processes, but even despite that, Hillary is beating him handily. And there are no caucus states left for him. She's going to add to her lead next weak, and win the nomination comfortably.

[sabrina 1]

39. Well, since you brought it up, let me give the real math on that. With his string of defeats of

Hillary since Az, which is under investigation, Bernie eroded her delegate lead down from 324 to 194. Even with all the election fraud in NY she only managed to make up 29 of those lost delegates. Iow, she is nowhere near clinching the nomination and he has gained on her with every win and will continue to do so.

I'm assuming you watch the corporate media who deliberately try to mislead voters by including Super Delegates who have no role in the primaries until the Convention.

Now on to the rest of the states as we should do in a democracy.

[YouDig]

42. She's up by about 235 right now. She'll extend that next week.

Without any caucuses left, there's no way Bernie makes it up. There wasn't any election "fraud" because fraud requires intent. There were problems, which probably hurt Hillary more than Bernie, but in the end didn't affect the totals greatly.

Clinton is winning handily.

[sabrina 1]

49. Lol, no she is NOT up about 235 right now. She is far from being up 235 right now. But hey, it's

not my problem to do the math for everyone else, so long as my candidate keeps doing what he's been doing, I'm good with that.

[YouDig]

57. Looks like it's actually 246.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html

[sabrina 1]

95. Actually, no it's not. The Corp media has been having a huge problem with the delegate math.

Thankfully most of us do not look to them for facts. Entertainment maybe, but the NYT, lol, who gave us Judith Miller and all the rest of the 'experts' who lied us into war. It's more like 214. Very small lead for the candidate who should have had the nomination by now. Why doesn't she? It should have been easy considering how unknown Sanders was and no Corporate money. But she just can't seem to do it. As people learn who he is and his record.

[SidDithers]

69. Where the heck are you getting your numbers from?...

They're completely wrong.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D

Hillary has 1446 delegates
Bernie has 1205 delegates

The difference is 241.

Please provide a non-Seth Abramson link that shows Bernie trailing by only 223.

Sid

[Corporate666]

111. It was never 194

That was an incorrect report based on a reporter miscounting Colorado's results. It was a 6 delegate net change, not +6 for Sanders and -6 for Clinton.

You are suffering from extreme confirmation bias - seeking out 'news' that tells you what you want to hear, and dismissing all the real news as "corporate news media" (without offering any proof of anything they say being wrong).

Yes, he has gained on her with every win, but he as lost MORE ground than he has gained with every loss. He's down 235 and he's going to be down closer to 300 after Tuesday.

He's also going to lose New Jersey, which means he's going to have to win California by 80 to 20 in order to get the nomination.

Sanders will most likely drop out next week. The people have spoken... time for him to pack his bags, endorse Clinton, and go home.

[sabrina 1]

112. I knew you weren't aware of the math, She lost over 130 delegates in a string of defeats, then lost

some more when two more states flipped to Bernie, knew he has those in the first place btw. He also overwhelmingly won the overseas vote, often not counted by the mathematicians on the corp media.


Then she gained back only 29 of those lost delegates. And NY is not yet decided, there are going to be fierce challenges to that corrupted primary, just like AZ which is now under investigation by the DOJ, as will NY and all those hundreds of thousands of voters here in NY who were purged, had their registrations changed are going to have to VOTE. Nearly a quarter of a million that we know of so far.

Odd isn't how the same 'mistakes' happened in Az and NY. NY cannot even be counted yet, nor can AZ, though I did count them in her favor or now

So no, she still hasn't been able to make up those losses and must win more than 60% of the remaining delegates to get the nomination.

Considering the reality, it's laughable to see, once again, same as March 15 the old talking point 'you all need to unify now'.

Lol, you guys are funny, why I stop by every once in a while, I miss the humor.

I forgot to add Iowa, raw data still being reviewed there and last I heard, Bernie is gaining more delegates there too, he has not yet conceded that state and it looks like he won't have to.

Why don't you all just relax and enjoy the democratic process all the way to the Convention, because that's where it's going.

I know I am. It's been a fantastic primary so far. Democracy is great, it's fun, it's exciting and when you have a great candidate you can't help having fun

I feel bad for Hillary's supporters as they always seem so angry and upset and I don't get it, if you have faith in your candidate as I do, it is so much FUN.

[Corporate666]

114. You're throwing everything you can think of at the wall, hoping something will stick.

I said you are suffering from confirmation bias, and my proof was that you bought into the 194 number which was never accurate. It was based on a single source misinterpreting the change of 6 delegates to mean +6 for BS and -6 for HRC. That was incorrect, it was never the case. It was -3 for HRC and +3 for BS.

You did not admit your error, and just went off on 20 tangents about the MSM, and how you think this is all funny and enjoyable. You seem awfully defensive and quick to lash out at people who disagree with you for someone who is "really having a great time".

Reminds me of a boxer who just took a solid shot to the head and feels the need to smile and wave his hands to convince everyone he didn't even feel it... that's when you know he's close to hitting the canvas.

[sabrina 1]

130. Why is the candidate who was dismissed as 'unviable' who would 'be gone by last August'

winning state after state by double digit victories despite an almost total lack of name recognition, no corporate money or Citizens United Super Pacs like David Brock, spewing out lies etc paid for with millions from unknown donors, (I thought Hillary was against Citizens United btw) against the candidate who has 100% name recognition, the Corp media backing her, while they disseminate the lies coming from the likes of Brock against him see even you are repeating them, approx, we are told, 2 billion in Corporate cash and the entire Party Machine behind her?

Doesn't it seem odd that this unknown Senator, I think he was at 2% name recognition until the Debates began when a few more people got to know him and he started winning and drawing huge crowds, and funding BY THE PEOPLE and amazing declaration of confidence in him, but doesn't it seem odd that a well known candidate just can't defeat him, that is she is only a couple of delegates ahead of him right now, and is running out of money from her donors, not getting much from the people?

Why do you think anyone, least of all an virtual unknown like Sanders, was able to run such an incredible campaign that has resonated so much with people across the political spectrum?

I can explain why I am supporting his candidacy. I used to support Hillary years ago but her policy positions have been atrocious so as a Democrat I could not support that and was shocked initially when a woman I assumed would be supportive of Democratic ideals was far more supportive of neoliberal policies, see Welfare Reform eg, bank bailouts etc, which have devastated the working class, the poor, minorities, women and children. And her position on Gay rights, eg, was just awful, she held back progress on the issue, when she could have led the way.

[Sheepshank]

34. and hence his "going back" and toning down his rhetoric

belies the OP

[sabrina 1]

41. No, that isn't happening, but thanks for kickiing my thread. He will continue to do exactly

as he has been doing, I know that for some speaking the truth about where his opponent stands on important issues is 'tone'. But it's not, no matter how anyone tries to make it so.

On the Convention Bernie, and again, thank you for running a campaign that is a model for how campaigns ought to be run.

[Sheepshank]

47. yup...he had to go back, because Weaver's plan was hurting Bernie

I don't mind kicking idiocy for visibility.

[sabrina 1]

51. No, but keep watching the Corp Media, they will provide the daily talking points, though

with their ever shrinking audience, I'm not sure who is listening anymore. I had to come here to hear that particular talking point repeated. Have a great day, I am loving this primary season, the best one I remember in a long time, ISSUES are actually being talked about, thanks to Bernie.

[Sheepshank]

53. are those the guys that spread your 50 State winning meme all over the web?

[Nonhlanhla]

18. This is a very funny thread

I have experienced the Bernie campaign as very negative. Even before I decided on Clinton. Indeed, it was the negativity of the Bernie campaign that put me off him.

[artislife]

26. Hillary's actions are what put me off of her

You know, the candidate.

She has run a vile, dirty and corrupt career and her campaign matches it.

[sabrina 1]

43. Me too, she is way too supportive of neocon FP and of neolib domestic policies for me, not to

mention how wrong she has been on so many issues throughout her life and career that she has had to admit were 'mistakes' We need leaders who get things right the first time, especially when lives are at stake

[sabrina 1]

30. And yet, though asked multiple times, we are never provided with a shred of proof of

Bernie Sanders running a negative campaign, because he hasn't, he focuses on the issues, as he said he would and continues to do so even thought the Hillary campaign hired one of the nastiest right wing smear mongers who has lied consistently about him, btw, why did she hire David Brock? You don't hire a career Rove wannabe unless you plan to smear your opponent.

No such professional smearmonger in Bernie's campaign, thankfully. He would not be MY candidate if there was.

[frylock]

62. What, specifically, put you off?

[Nonhlanhla]

67. The constant attacks on Hillary

Bernie started out railing against Wall Street, but this pretty soon turned into a constant attack on Hillary, with an underlying "Hillary is a corporate whore" theme, choc full of smears and innuendos, but without specifics to show how exactly she has sold her soul. I can see that Bernie supporters have bought this line, but I don't. I see a far more complex (albeit imperfect) Hillary, and this despite the fact that I did not like her in 2008 (I was an Obama supporter). I find this underlying theme of Bernie's campaign to be troublesome and sexist. (And no, I'm not pulling some card. I am merely answering your question. These have been my private feelings about the nature of Bernie's campaign for months now.) I was also annoyed at how his campaign would shift the blame to Hillary when they do something wrong (e.g. datagate).

In the end, I did not support Bernie because of the lack of specifics in his plans, and the fact that he promises a revolution that he has made no effort to build. But the negativity of the campaign has bothered me for a long time - not because I'm surprised by it (Hillary also engages in negative campaigning, although she's not very good at it), but because of the sheer hypocrisy.

Anyway, all of this is moot now. The primaries are running their course, and Hillary will be the nominee. I hope that Bernie will tone down his attacks and starts to move towards support of the presumptive nominee, even if his over-enthusiastic supporters are not yet ready for that.

[The_Casual_Observer]

20. Free College Education, Eliminate the influence of big money in campaigns and banking regulations...

A chicken in every pot, sure this all sounds great and is "positive" however it's all a fantasy made up by the guy and you are buying it.

[baran]

40. Not a fantasy . . .

From politifact: "There are at least nine advanced countries that offer free college, including the recent addition of Germany." College tuition used to be free in California until some time around 1980. http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2016/feb/09/bernie-s/was-college-once-free-united-states-and-it-oversea/

[The_Casual_Observer]

45. College tuition was never free in California. It's wasn't like it is now, thanks to many republican

administrations but it was never free. I know because I paid it all though the 70's.

Who said this is an advanced country? It is not an advanced country, if you need any proof, head south of the Mason Dixon line sometime.


It's pure fantasy, and I didn't even mention the promise of Universal Health Care.

[Art_from_Ark]

54. My tuition at a state university in the '70s-'80s was essentially free

Pell grants were enough to cover in-state tuition-- which was only about $300 a semester.

And the school was south of the Mason-Dixon Line.

Imagine that.

[nolawarlock]

22. Are you sure you aren't talking about Barnie?

Cuz that Bernie's been atrociously negative lately.

[sabrina 1]

25. Like Bernie, I avoid such personal attacks. But thanks for the demonstration.

[Blue Meany]

55. No, negative would be answering her ad about the Sandy Hook massacre

with an ad suggesting she is responsible for hundreds of dead and maimed children in Yemen because she approved the sale of cluster bombs--on which there was a UN ban whose passage of which hoped to avert. A negative ad would woud link these atrocities to her votes against banning the sale of land mines and cluster bombs, her Senate speech about the need for cluster bombs, the political donations she received from Textron and other munitions manufacturers, the contributions the Clinton Foundation received from various countries who wanted to purchase arms that had to be approved by the Secretary of State, the ties she had with the lobbyists representing various Arab and other countries who purchased arms. Then I'd pan across the hospital room filled with maimed Yemeni children and ask "Does Hillary think these children should be able to sue the bomb manufacturer, her donor, Textron? Or is her outrage over the massacre of children limited to those who have parents who can vote?

Now, if this were a Republican ad, it would probably be narrated with a scary voice and end with something like "Tell Hillary to give back the blood money from Textron." And they probably dive deeper into her ties with various Arab countries with some racists images and suggestions that they might be terrorists.

[Uncle Joe]

28. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, sabrina.

[northernsouthern]

29. Second that!

I actually am very proud he has been substance or vitriol and lies, but man does the other leave a bad taste.

[sabrina 1]

35. It's very rare but so refreshing.

[northernsouthern]

44. I hope he stays in.

Since Hillary also can't win unless she gets a landslide now. I hope Cali has a landslide for him. He is our candidate, and we are supporting his run to support our voice.

[livetohike]

32. Since when is whining about everything and demonizing everyone a positive

campaign? His is the most negative campaign in my memory and I have been voting since 1971.

[sabrina 1]

37. You tell me. Why does Hillary do that? Why did she hire that career smearmonger, David Brock

eg to smear her opponents? Can't she just run on her record, on the issues? Accusing Sanders of being a mass murderer of children? Shameful, shameful and I am proud that Bernie did not stoop to respond to that. It was beneath contempt. But I'm not him, so will do so whenever I see such contemptible lies told about ANY candidate.

[pkdu]

38. Why do repeatedly post "she hired David Brock" when you

know that a complete lie?

[sabrina 1]

46. Sorry, no, it is not a lie. They are working 'in coordination' according to Brock himself. But are

you okay with a Democrat 'working in coordination' with the man who tried to destroy Anita Hill? If my candidate was as closely associated with the pos anti woman right winger, my candidate would not be my candidate. We used to have standards about Rove and his acolytes on this forum. What happened? Not a word from Hillary's supporters about this alliance, says a lot to me, not even a mild objection that her campaign is stained by this admitted liar who admits he lied about Hill, way too late.

Thanks Bernie for staying far away from such people, and people like Henry Kissinger too. You can tell a lot by who people choose to associate themselves with.

[pkdu]

48. Nice word salad. But.. Hillary. Did. Not. Hire. David . Brock.

So stop the lying.please.

[sabrina 1]

52. So how do you feel about David Brock working so hard for her campaign? How about Henry Kissinger

Seriously, I'm curious about how Democrats feel about a war criminal, Kissinger, giving advice to a Democratic SOS?

[noretreatnosurrender]

59. I feel Outrage

This Democrat is outraged that Kissinger is giving advice to her and is outraged that she is using a slimy hit man like David Brock.

[sabrina 1]

65. That's how I feel, absolutely outraged. Which is why I wonder how any Democrat could

live with that. I know a lot of her supporters don't know this but for those who do, how on earth do they rationalize it, she boasted about it, until Bernie thankfully, made it clear that he was very glad not to have such a person among his friends. But didn't she KNOW this was not something to boast about? I don't get it frankly

[noretreatnosurrender]

72. A Brief Moment of Candor?

I would really like to hear Hillary supporters address the fact that she relies on Kissinger for his advice. I mean it was pretty obvious that his presence was felt in Honduras. Did you see the piece in the NYT today? Nice of them to run it two days after the NY primary.

How Hillary Clinton Became a Hawk

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-clinton-became-a-hawk.html

[sabrina 1]

119. Brock is working for Hillary. They are longtime collaborators. All she has to do, is what Bernie

has done re anyone using Citizens United to take corporate money into a Super Pac, is to tell him to STOP! She needs to make a public statement denying any association with that smear monger. Every lie that is being told about Sanders is coming from him and the rest of his ilk who are hanging around our political system because of the money that flows into candidates, all of them, except for one.


But she hasn't distanced herself from him, quite the contrary, he is the official smearmongering liar behind all the lies being told about Sanders.

He has been CAUGHT doing it so please, stop denying the facts. Don't call me a liar for stating facts. Brock is, always was and will be a liar. Why is Hillary associated with that old Right Wing smearmonger who almost single handedly gave us SC judge Thomas after he smeared and destroyed the reputation of Anita Hill?

[ebayfool]

99. She funds him, close enough to "hire" for me. n/t

[frylock]

64. Yet you can't name one specific thing he has said or done..

that could be considered as negative.

[senz]

79. That's because he doesn't do negative campaigning.

He is so interested in issues and his vision for the future that I suspect he would find personal insults boring.

[hellofromreddit]

92. Talking about problems AND solutions is a positive campaign

Distorting another's voting record, purchasing fake internet support, pretending that the "shouting" comment was sexist to see if it would stick, push polling, attacking Sanders supporters, etc. is negative.

Work on that memory problem.

[Herman4747]

117. Hillary's own actions demonize Hillary.

Bernie just points out what some of these were.

[jwirr]

33. Thank you Bernie so good to see dignity in an election.

[Agony]

50. Yep, Thank You Bernie! for giving us hope that justice of all kinds will prevail after all!

Civil Justice
Economic Justice
Environmental Justice
World Peace and Justice
Justice with Dignity
Justice with Humanity
Educational Justice
Political Justice
.
.
.

[pdsimdars]

127. And could we please start off with a little of that FBI justice!

[KoKo]

58. He is Amazing given that the MSM is Trump, Trump, Trump...24-7 Around the Clock~

Only "Democracy Now" has reported that he gave Comments to the MSM after the NY Primary Vote was in about what happened in Brooklyn and what he felt needed to be done to Protect Our Voting Rights!

Instead the MSCorporate Media has focused on "Bernie Cuts Out and Goes to Vermon...Possible Pull Out of Election?" and then "Trump, Trump, Trump" on and on.

It was only "Democracy Now" who had the Press Clip of what Bernie said about "Protecting Voters" after the NY Election! The MSCorporate Media chose to ignore that and instead said "Bernie Vacated to Vermont" to "Re-Assess his Campaign!"

[sadoldgirl]

70. Yes, Bernie is showing how it can be done

in a decent way.

I admire his vision for the country. And to those, who
claim that he cannot deliver:
Remember that JFK said we would get to the moon,
and a lot of people poopooed it.

Indeed, Bernie: A Future to believe in!

Thank you!

[RadiationTherapy]

80. I agree. Bernie has been inspiring and adds a lot of class to the process.

Hillary's campaign reminds me of privileged people having to concede privilege and then accusing others of oppression and negativity.

[senz]

81. Recent calls for Bernie to change his tone are a calculated SMEAR based on a lie.

The Hillary media has been spreading it, but no one can cite anything negative in Bernie's tone.

[asuhornets]

82. YEA RIGHT...n/t

[NCTraveler]

83. His ability to raise enormous funds immediately after a crisis or lie...

Is beyond impressive. It will be use by others to the same extent in future campaigns. He has brought it to a new level. Some of the emails Weaver sends out are priceless.

[obamanut2012]

84. .....

[pdsimdars]

128. Can you answer?

[slipslidingaway]

85. knr and thank you. nt

[Jitter65]

88. You must be watching some other campaign. nt

[sabrina 1]

96. I've been watching both campaigns. If that's what you mean. I commented on the one that has run

a truly remarkable positive campaign on the issues. The other one, well what can you expect when you have right wing smear monger David 'destroy Anita Hill' Brock. I knew what to expect, I remember 2008. Nasty, horribly negative campaign then and now.

[2banon]

94. Well Said, Sabrina!

[sabrina 1]

97. Hey 2banon. It's been so refreshing to watch the wonderful campaign he is running. I am so psyched

to be able to support a candidate rather than oppose the other one.

[2banon]

100. as I said in another post..

et la lutte continue, mon ami.. le bras dans le bras ensemble.

et ai-je oublié de mentionner ? Tu gères!

Viva la révolution!

[sabrina 1]

104. Aw, merci. Et tu geres!

Did you see what Bernie is doing for the Bernie Dems down ticket? This Political revolution is ROCKING! He endorsed three of the Bernie Dems and they are raking in the % like he is from ordinary people. I just LOVE this revolution. He is one brilliant guy

[polly7]

98. Woot woot, Sabrina!

Nice to see a positive thread about a positive man and campaign. Like sunshine after a dark, nasty storm.

[sabrina 1]

102. You have to get away from the Corporate media and partisan blogs, then you'll see plenty of postive

posts about this most positive campaign. Not to mention that reading here is a riot.

Bernie wins 8 states in a row, flips TWO more she had claimed to have won, erodes her delegate lead by over 130 delegates, collects enough delegates in NY even with all the Election Fraud here, to stop her from what she really needed, a clean sweep, and her supporters go off the deep end claiming AGAIN for the umpteenth time 'it's over'!

I laugh my head off when I leave the real world and go check out her forums. They are not living in the real world.

She was again unable, with all the voter suppression etc which only seems to occur in the fewer and fewer states she's been 'winning', to 'wrap it up' as she calls ending the democratic process. And all she managed to do was to get back just 29 of the 130 delegates Bernie took away from her over the past couple of weeks.

So she's still nowhere near 'clinching' the nomination, only in the minds of those who are not familiar with the concept of democracy. I won't be around here much, we've got so much work to do, watching for fraud eg, in the next closed primary states, making sure people are watching closely who is doing it etc.

Just popped in and was instantly struck by how few people there are here now, I guess most democrats are moving to Social Media and the several new progressive blogs that are popping up.

[lmbradford]

106. So true!

K & R

[snowy owl]

120. The one time..."IF...Then..." the "disqualify" meme was HRC's big chance but it wasn't really.

He did call her disqualified but there was a big IF in front of his statement. "IF she said I..." And because it was the first time he got remotely personal, it made headlines. He's been issues consistently. In fact, HRC supporters talk about his repetition. Of course, he's messaging the same issues over and over and over . . .

Bernie supporters are not loyal fans but real hard asses when it comes to issues. Ethically and morally Bernie is the only choice.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

121. There are none so blind as those who won't see.

Senator Slanders has been at the heart of one of the nastiest, most negative and most dishonest Democratic primary campaigns for a long, long time.

Clinton has been remarkably restrained, all things considered - she knows that after she's won, she'll need the support of many of those who'd have preferred him.

[sabrina 1]

131. Well, you just proved your own first statement right there. No one has run a more positive, issues

focused campaign than Bernie Sanders.

To say otherwise is THIS WEEK'S NEGATIVE TALKING POINT. We all know this of course, the rovian 'let's attack them on their strengths' tactic so it has lost its effectiveness.

Brock strikes again.

Hillary runs the most nasty, negative campaigns I have ever seen. 2008 is another perfect example. So it makes sense she would have one of the most notorious Right Wing Rove wannabe's on her team.

Here's YOUR problem, you are a supporter of a candidate who is 'working in coordination' with one of the MOST NASTY SMEAR MONGERS who has always been despised by Democrats, whose name was the equivalent of a four letter word to any Democrat, and YOU are talking about negative campaigning?

Do you see why people just laugh at this nonsensical claim? IT is a BROCK talking point. He delivers them every week or day or whenever Hillary is in trouble.



You can't run ANYTHING BUT a NEGATIVE CAMPAIGN with that nasty, sneaky smear mongering woman hater on your team, can you?

Bernie has run a refreshingly wonderful, negative free campaign and David Brock saying otherwise, considering his reputation, only makes it more true.

[pdsimdars]

129. Now, I think all of you should take my advice. . . .

I have LOADS of people on 'ignore' and I highly recommend it. Here's why.

When I started reading this thread there were some I hadn't caught yet and that led to some of those nasty rat hole back and forths you see at times. But you put the main trouble causer into 'ignore' and after a few of them and refreshing the thread, this becomes a FANTASTIC thread of people commenting on what a great guy Bernie is and what a great campaign he has run.

Now THAT is a lot nicer than the mess it started out.

[sabrina 1]

132. Lol, that is a great idea. All positive when you eliminate the talking point dispensers.