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jg10003

(976 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:32 PM Apr 2016

Bernie's goal tonight: 45.6%

So far Bernie has won 45.6% of all the pledged delegates. If that rate remains until the end of the primaries the final pledged delegate count will be;
Bernie - 1847, Clinton - 2204.
This will leave Clinton 179 votes short of the nomination.

The last primary is June 14 and the convention starts July 25. A lot can happen in five and a half weeks, especially since the GOP has its convention first. If after the GOP convention the polls show that Bernie is a significantly stronger candidate against the GOP nominee then is Hillary, then the super delegates will have to nominate him. Hillary can claim the moral argument that she won the majority of pledged delegates and the popular vote. But the party leaders are politicians, their only concern is winning.

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Bernie's goal tonight: 45.6% (Original Post) jg10003 Apr 2016 OP
So Bernie's goal is to lose the nomination. Hmm. YouDig Apr 2016 #1
HE HAS HILLARY RIGHT WHERE HE WANTS HER!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gomez163 Apr 2016 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #13
You seem very familiar to me... Odd. n/t Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #44
Uh... you do know she is demolishing him in both the popular vote and the delegate vote, right? Squinch Apr 2016 #52
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #100
Same thing I was thinking nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #9
Third Way--> closet republicanism. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #81
Haven't you heard? If Bernie loses it's a win for Bernie. n/t savalez Apr 2016 #39
wouldnt her paid flunkies...er super delegates take her over the top? boomer55 Apr 2016 #2
That depends how well she paid them. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #10
You are implying following the popular vote and pledged delegate vote is somehow corrupt. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #50
They never do, DSB...they never do all american girl Apr 2016 #105
The bottom line is they would prefer certain people couldn't vote... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #106
Oh, I know. all american girl Apr 2016 #107
no, the voters will put her over the top. If she leads in pledged delegates, she's the nominee. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #11
Wow... Godhumor Apr 2016 #3
So his goal is to lose the nomination? No, the superdelegates won't steal the nomination geek tragedy Apr 2016 #5
Imagine we had to listen to this kind of nonsense for four years alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #18
This will frighten you. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #22
I wanna Feel that Barn! kjones Apr 2016 #95
hey Alcibiades..... are an actual NYer or just a Mets fan? bettyellen Apr 2016 #24
hey bettyellen alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #89
I am the Bronx version of that, and of course a Yankee fan.... although I had many a trip bettyellen Apr 2016 #91
Most of them would be anti-Bernie before inauguration. ecstatic Apr 2016 #97
Hahaha alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #98
lol hill2016 Apr 2016 #6
Bernie's been sniffing too many of his own farts lately... nt IamMab Apr 2016 #12
You're gross. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #85
Isn't it funny how Corporate666 Apr 2016 #37
So by "winning New York" he meant not losing it too badly.....that's hilarious. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #7
Bernie's election strategy explained.... Corporate666 Apr 2016 #42
Lose line 1 jmowreader Apr 2016 #62
You forget... Corporate666 Apr 2016 #66
Okay, I can live with that jmowreader Apr 2016 #74
Thread winner. That is freaking hilarious Number23 Apr 2016 #96
If Clinton ends the primary campaign with the most delegates, she's the nominee. IamMab Apr 2016 #8
She would win because of super delegates. Bernie *will not* get them to defect from her. Zynx Apr 2016 #14
Super delegates should not overturn the will of the voters. LonePirate Apr 2016 #15
Thank you for your common sense BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #57
Mid 40s or more beats Obamas '08 primary result. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #16
Only Obama won the deep south that Bernie trashed. MadBadger Apr 2016 #19
Lol, Bernie has to hit around 57% to remain viable Tarc Apr 2016 #17
I don't think you know what the word "viable" means. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #86
Here' a hint, and Ill type slowly Tarc Apr 2016 #90
Errrrr.... Ok. Adrahil Apr 2016 #20
"fair and square", "will of the voters", etc. doesn't matter to party bigwigs. jg10003 Apr 2016 #21
A lot of us would boycott the general if they stole it from the winner of the voting nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #23
Bingo. n/t Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #43
How dare you timmymoff Apr 2016 #53
Dare what? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #67
But the party sets the rules timmymoff Apr 2016 #77
My loyalty is to the sanctity of the ballot. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #82
How do they makes this determination? On polls DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #45
More voters have chosen Hillary than Bernie. jmowreader Apr 2016 #75
More "losing is winning" nonsense. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #25
Party leaders are corrupt and want to get paid as much money as they can get. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #26
How is awarding the nomination to the person with the most votes and pledged delegates corrupt? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #33
Because the special snowflakes don't like the clear choice of the Democratic voters. The special Squinch Apr 2016 #51
The suggestion that the will of the people should be thwarted is odious and rankles me. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #54
Yes. Yes they do. This entitlement is disgusting. Squinch Apr 2016 #56
It boggles the mind... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #63
I don't think they even think that far. I think they only go as far as, "I WANT this! You Squinch Apr 2016 #65
I often get the feeling some would like to repeal the 15th Amendment and the Voting Rights Act. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #70
Oh, in a heartbeat if they could figure out how to do it. After all, if they can't have Squinch Apr 2016 #73
What is the character of a person who would support such an abomination? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #76
Stealing it by using the superdelegates, which they have been pooh pooh-ing for months. They're nuts Squinch Apr 2016 #80
Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #84
The longer it goes the more $ Tad Devine gets redstateblues Apr 2016 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #27
2026 is the number needed without supers Dem2 Apr 2016 #28
2383 gets the nom. 2026 is just 51% of pledged delegates jg10003 Apr 2016 #40
Right, but there's no way you're suggesting that Bernie use the supers to take the nomination Dem2 Apr 2016 #49
I think he'll beat the spread Lone_Wolf Apr 2016 #29
Funny.. Hillary's goal is 54.4% DCBob Apr 2016 #30
to avoid humiliation and preserve her campaign, she needs to win by 20% amborin Apr 2016 #35
They will be thrilled with a 8-10 point win which will result in a huge delegate gain.. DCBob Apr 2016 #38
Agreed! Corporate666 Apr 2016 #46
????= yadda yadda yadda. Squinch Apr 2016 #48
You guys cried like wounded toddlers Codeine Apr 2016 #31
You're dreaming Corporate666 Apr 2016 #32
Lowering expectations? itsrobert Apr 2016 #34
Yeah, good luck with that. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #36
No. Illogical. Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #41
You guys can't really be this stupid. Tell me this is a joke. Squinch Apr 2016 #47
It's trolling. It's what happens when the Reddit crowd is on the losing side. nt Codeine Apr 2016 #59
Can't we make them go back to their own home? Squinch Apr 2016 #61
In due time I expect to see some folks issued walking papers. nt Codeine Apr 2016 #64
And I expect some to leave when it stops being lucrative for them. I used to think Squinch Apr 2016 #68
Then we'd miss the upcoming epic temper tantrum. FSogol Apr 2016 #69
Well... ok, you're right. That's going to be fun. Squinch Apr 2016 #71
Aw c'mon, you Bernie supporters don't really believe that, do you? MadBadger Apr 2016 #55
Math. displacedtexan Apr 2016 #58
Is this a joke? Bernie needs to win by yuuuuge margins tonight....And he won't. nt BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #60
I think we will be in big trouble if it is Clinton vs Trump Marrah_G Apr 2016 #72
Then work harder for your candidate. It's that simple. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #78
SMH Marrah_G Apr 2016 #93
SMH DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #94
His goal is to lose? MineralMan Apr 2016 #83
I think his goal is for her Happyhippychick Apr 2016 #87
OK, then. MineralMan Apr 2016 #88
Your math is more fuzzy than W's, there isn't 732 delegates for Sanders to gain in NY. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #92
Sooo, this is what you are now hinging your hopes on? Amimnoch Apr 2016 #99
Winning By Less Than 20 Percent Is a HUGE Fail By Hillary TomCADem Apr 2016 #101
+10000 amborin Apr 2016 #103
I was waiting for this one to jump back up to the top alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #102
So you figure you have 5 1/2 more weeks to do KKK Rove's dirty work Cary Apr 2016 #104

Response to Gomez163 (Reply #4)

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
52. Uh... you do know she is demolishing him in both the popular vote and the delegate vote, right?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:31 PM
Apr 2016

And you do know that the way elections work is that the one with the most votes wins, right?

Response to Squinch (Reply #52)

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
50. You are implying following the popular vote and pledged delegate vote is somehow corrupt.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:28 PM
Apr 2016

How about explaining it to me how it works.


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
106. The bottom line is they would prefer certain people couldn't vote...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:45 AM
Apr 2016

The bottom line is they would prefer certain people couldn't vote but lack the intestinal fortitude to say so. Hey, they have to live with themselves.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
107. Oh, I know.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:54 AM
Apr 2016

There was some thread, and I have no idea if it was snark or real, that said Bernie would have won except for women and minorities. The sad thing about it all, normally I would think it's snark, but not now. The Bernie dudes have gone after AAs (you know they are just not smart enough to "get" Bernie), women (you know we only vote with our girly bits), older people (I guess the youth is so much smarter than us), and LGBT (what, don't they know that Hillary is evil). Now I haven't seen them turn on Hispanics, but since Hillary keeps winning their vote, just wait.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
11. no, the voters will put her over the top. If she leads in pledged delegates, she's the nominee.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:35 PM
Apr 2016

that's called winning fair and square.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
3. Wow...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:34 PM
Apr 2016

There is literally 0% chance of this happening.

Bernie's goal is 55% to have any chance of winning the pledged count that will decide the nominee.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
5. So his goal is to lose the nomination? No, the superdelegates won't steal the nomination
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:34 PM
Apr 2016

from the Democrat and give it to the third party dude who accused the party of breaking federal law.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
89. hey bettyellen
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:14 PM
Apr 2016

I grew up in Queens, and laid my head down each night in a shared bedroom in a third floor walk-up, less than four miles from Shea Stadium. My mother was born in Brooklyn, raised in Queens. My grandfather was born and raised in Brooklyn. His father emigrated to Brooklyn from Ireland in the 1890's. My grandmother emigrated to Brooklyn from Ireland, still a teenager in the late 1920's. The grandparents moved out to Queens (when it was still "out"!) in the 50's, and I grew up in that neighborhood, around the corner from them, because that's how the working class Irish do. I went to New York City public schools K-12. As teenagers, we rode the trains, had keg parties in the parks of Queens, cruised Francis Lewis Boulevard, fought the kids from the other neighborhoods, went to clubs in the city and to the Irish bars in Sunnyside where we drank under age and hooked up in parked cars under the train tracks. State university Upstate after that, so I know outside NYC too. New York City is my home. I don't live there now, but it's my home. My next trip home is in June.



And, yes, Mets over Yankees. My grandfather was a Dodgers fan, of course.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
91. I am the Bronx version of that, and of course a Yankee fan.... although I had many a trip
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:29 PM
Apr 2016

across the Whitestone Bridge on the Q44 bus as a teenager too. Was asking because me and Priyanka were talking about having a NY get together- hopefully after the convention. You'd be fun, I bet!

ecstatic

(32,685 posts)
97. Most of them would be anti-Bernie before inauguration.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:06 PM
Apr 2016

Half of them are looking for perfection, the other half just want to disrupt.

 

hill2016

(1,772 posts)
6. lol
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:34 PM
Apr 2016

the super delegates are going to overturn the will of the majority of the Democratic Party?

This is worse than a Hail Mary.

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
12. Bernie's been sniffing too many of his own farts lately... nt
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:35 PM
Apr 2016

ETA: For the jury, that's a South Park reference.

Corporate666

(587 posts)
37. Isn't it funny how
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:19 PM
Apr 2016

we've been hearing how super delegates are the devil incarnate and don't reflect the will of the people and just make a mockery of the voting system....

...and now Bernie's only hope of winning rests in them going against the will of the people, making a mockery of the system and voting in the person the guy the people have said "NO!" to.

Corporate666

(587 posts)
42. Bernie's election strategy explained....
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:20 PM
Apr 2016

1) Lose New York, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, New Jersey
2) Let Hillary clinch the nomination
3) ????
4) Become the nominee





Just don't ask what #3 is.

Corporate666

(587 posts)
66. You forget...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:46 PM
Apr 2016

One of Bernie's platforms is the redistribution of underwear gnome strategy numbered points. For too long, the underwear gnomes have hoarded their numbers, only giving three. If he is elected president, Bernie will pass a law making all underwear gnome strategy lists FOUR lines long!

(thunderous applause)


<this will be paid for by a 38% tax increase on all Americans>

jmowreader

(50,555 posts)
74. Okay, I can live with that
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:52 PM
Apr 2016

"Senator Sanders, how do you intend to force the underpants gnomes to make their strategy lists four lines long?"

"I haven't really considered that. Let me get back to you on that one."

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
8. If Clinton ends the primary campaign with the most delegates, she's the nominee.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:35 PM
Apr 2016

I don't hate to break it to you, either.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
14. She would win because of super delegates. Bernie *will not* get them to defect from her.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:36 PM
Apr 2016

That's a pipe dream.

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
15. Super delegates should not overturn the will of the voters.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:37 PM
Apr 2016

If Bernie wins a majority of pledged delegates, the SDs should side with him.

If Hillary wins a majority of pledged delegates, the SDs should side with her.

Under no circumstance should the SDs overthrow the will of the voters by not siding with the majority winner of pledged delegates. Nothing could be more undemocratic than having a few hundred elites usurp the voices of millions of voters, regardless of who benefits.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
17. Lol, Bernie has to hit around 57% to remain viable
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:38 PM
Apr 2016

and the superdelegates will and should vote for the person who enters the convention with the most pledged delegates. Sander's isn't going to get a 11th-hour save if primary season winds up with him in 2nd place.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
90. Here' a hint, and Ill type slowly
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:19 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders has to run the rest of the table at ~57-58% to get more pledged delegates than Clinton. If he comes in below that...and he's on target to come in significantly below that, then he'll have to run the table at 59-60%. Which we all know is unicorn and leprechaun territory.

You're welcome.

jg10003

(976 posts)
21. "fair and square", "will of the voters", etc. doesn't matter to party bigwigs.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:47 PM
Apr 2016

Only winning matters to them. I'm not saying it's right, but it's true.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
53. How dare you
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:31 PM
Apr 2016

you will vote blue know matter who, Just like you Hillary supporters moaned and wailed about for months. Now all of a sudden they are thinking of going back to being PUMA's? Well kiss my ever loving ass, they are as consistent as their candidate, now a flip flop.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
67. Dare what?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:47 PM
Apr 2016

If the candidate WITH THE MOST PLEDGED DELEGATES AND POPULAR VOTES, regardless of who he or she is, is denied the nomination I will leave the party and urge every person of conscience to join me.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
77. But the party sets the rules
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:57 PM
Apr 2016

where is your loyalty? Party before principle. That's what we've been sold since the beginning.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
82. My loyalty is to the sanctity of the ballot.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:01 PM
Apr 2016

As important as being a Democrat is to me and I have changed my religion several times, but I have never stopped being a Democrat, being a democrat is more important to me.


The notion of overturning the will of the voter is unfathomable to me.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
45. How do they makes this determination? On polls
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:22 PM
Apr 2016

Michael Dukakis turned a seventeen point post convention lead into a eight point loss. Don't make my word for it:




Also, black and Hispanic voters have given Secretary Clinton her margin of victory. Since the last Democrat to win the majority or plurality of the white vote was Lyndon Johnson the Democrats would literally rather lose the election than alienate them. Without people of color the Democratic party is done, from the state houses to Congress to the White house.

jmowreader

(50,555 posts)
75. More voters have chosen Hillary than Bernie.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:55 PM
Apr 2016

How will the "will of the voters" be kept, if the guy who lost the election gets the nomination?

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
26. Party leaders are corrupt and want to get paid as much money as they can get.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:02 PM
Apr 2016

Supporting one of the two candidates will ensure things work out swimmingly well for them (not so well for most everyone else though).

I would not bet on Party leaders ever supporting Bernie. It will pay much, much less over the course of their lives.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
33. How is awarding the nomination to the person with the most votes and pledged delegates corrupt?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:17 PM
Apr 2016

Thank you in advance.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
51. Because the special snowflakes don't like the clear choice of the Democratic voters. The special
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:28 PM
Apr 2016

snowflakes matter more. Their moms told them so.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
54. The suggestion that the will of the people should be thwarted is odious and rankles me.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:35 PM
Apr 2016

The people who are making that suggestion really need to do some sober self reflection.


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
63. It boggles the mind...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:42 PM
Apr 2016

You wonder what they have accomplished in their lives that they arrogate to themselves the power to usurp the rights of others. When you think about it it is a thinly veiled call to return to antebellum days.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
65. I don't think they even think that far. I think they only go as far as, "I WANT this! You
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:45 PM
Apr 2016

have to give me this because I WANT it!"

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
70. I often get the feeling some would like to repeal the 15th Amendment and the Voting Rights Act.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:49 PM
Apr 2016

They are okay with certain folks voting up to and until these folks stop voting the way they want.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
73. Oh, in a heartbeat if they could figure out how to do it. After all, if they can't have
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:52 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders, they're perfectly willing to "burn this sucker down."

Idiots.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
76. What is the character of a person who would support such an abomination?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:56 PM
Apr 2016

If Hillary lost the popular vote and pledged delegate vote I would be crestfallen but I could not live with myself if I supported her stealing the nomination.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
84. Res ipsa loquitur
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:04 PM
Apr 2016
Superdelegates: Don't Deny Democracy
Petition by Emiljana Ulaj & Rob Akleh

To be delivered to Democratic Superdelegates

Commit to honoring the voters - let everyone know that you won’t allow your vote to defeat our votes. Announce that in the event of a close race, you’ll align yourself with regular voters - not party elites.



http://pac.petitions.moveon.org/sign/superdelegates-dont-deny


Response to jg10003 (Original post)

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
28. 2026 is the number needed without supers
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:07 PM
Apr 2016

(I think this is accurate)

If so, then it's over unless someone thinks Bernie should win by getting more supers than Hillary.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
49. Right, but there's no way you're suggesting that Bernie use the supers to take the nomination
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:27 PM
Apr 2016

Nobody would see him as legitimate.

It's perhaps the most terrible idea I've read here (that isn't based on some ridiculous logical fallacy.)

amborin

(16,631 posts)
35. to avoid humiliation and preserve her campaign, she needs to win by 20%
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:17 PM
Apr 2016

she claims NY as her home state, and she has lost the last 7 out of 8 primaries; she has to win by a huge margin here
today just to stay solvent, so to speak; she's in big trouble

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
38. They will be thrilled with a 8-10 point win which will result in a huge delegate gain..
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:19 PM
Apr 2016

that will send Bernie even farther behind.

Corporate666

(587 posts)
46. Agreed!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:23 PM
Apr 2016

Anything less than a 60% win (80 to 20) is a massive defeat for Clinton and shows that Bernie is on the verge of clinching the nomination.

Remember the strategy

1) Lose NY, CT, MD, PA and DE
2) Hillary wins the nomination
3) ????
4) Bernie becomes the nominee

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
31. You guys cried like wounded toddlers
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:14 PM
Apr 2016

when you created a scenario in which Clinton lost the delegate race but won on superdelegates.

Now you're touting it as your win condition. It's damned pathetic.

Corporate666

(587 posts)
32. You're dreaming
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:14 PM
Apr 2016

and thinking super delegates don't count.

They do.

Hillary only needs 624 more delegates to win the nomination.

She's going to get 160 of them (or so) tonight.

Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
41. No. Illogical.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:20 PM
Apr 2016

After spending the primary season arguing against the unfairness of superdelegates, calling those same delegates "establishment", "corporate Democratic whores", and "corrupt" among other things, it's a stretch to think those same people are going to rally to Sanders. That's not even talking about the amount of work that Hillary has done for the Democratic Party over the years rather you're talking about money raised, stumping, or advice, a lot of people are going to feel very loyal to Secretary Clinton. Perhaps most importantly, superdelegates have NEVER went against the popular vote. They won't this year either.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
68. And I expect some to leave when it stops being lucrative for them. I used to think
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:48 PM
Apr 2016

the idea of paid trolls was absurd, but now I can't think of any other explanation for a bunch of posters.

MadBadger

(24,089 posts)
55. Aw c'mon, you Bernie supporters don't really believe that, do you?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:36 PM
Apr 2016

And here I was hoping to have an honest discussion about politics here on DU.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
58. Math.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:37 PM
Apr 2016

It's really important. Stay in school, Kids.

That was a Bill Murray quote, BTW. I find it always lightens arguments about numbers.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
72. I think we will be in big trouble if it is Clinton vs Trump
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:51 PM
Apr 2016

I hope I am wrong, but I just think there are too many scandals/skeletons, whether real or imagined. The RW media has had decades of demonizing her and it has stuck in the minds of many.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
99. Sooo, this is what you are now hinging your hopes on?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:11 PM
Apr 2016

Hmmm.. Who was it.. Just a few weeks ago screaming about the "unfairness" of superdelegates, and now the whole winning strategy for the same campaign is that the superdelegates will depart from the popular vote, depart from the pledged delegate majority and coronate Sanders???


On the irony is downright delicious.

I guess that whole poutrage thing for months about "Democracy" and "majority rule" was only useful while it was beneficial, eh?

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
101. Winning By Less Than 20 Percent Is a HUGE Fail By Hillary
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:05 AM
Apr 2016

This was Hillary's first win in the past few primaries, and it was in her home State. So, lets put this behind us, feel the Bern, and on to California!

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