Anybody know Sanders' Schedule at the Vatican?

[UtahJosh]

I'd love to follow along, if possible.

What's his schedule for the next day or two in Rome?

Anyone have any links to live video of his speech?

Thanks in advance!

[salinsky]

1. Camp out by the coffee machine ... nt

[jfern]

2. He's speaking at 4pm Vatican time

[JimDandy]

4. So that's 10 am Eastern/7 am Pacific time.

[DrDan]

3. a little less than 3 hours until the 10-minute pre-coffee break address

[IamMab]

5. Takeoff, flying, landing, showboating for 10 min, takeoff, flying, landing. In that order. nt

[UtahJosh]

6. Why the vitriol?

I don't get it.

[morningfog]

8. Haters gotta hate.

[hellofromreddit]

11. The great, green-eyed monster. Envy.

Potent cause of unhappiness.

[IamMab]

12. Maybe I'm a Catholic who doesn't appreciate their religion being used as a prop by Bernie.

Maybe I find the idea of a candidate campaigning as "Mr Environmentalist" flying across the Atlantic Ocean on a chartered jet twice in 2 days for a 10 minute speech to be grossly hypocritical and self-serving.

Maybe I'm as free as you or anyone else here to post my opinion, whether you like it or not.

[IdaBriggs]

15. And maybe you need to spend 5 minutes educating yourself.

Go here http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2016/04/us/bernie-sanders-pope-who-said-it/

Then come back and share your results. I failed. I'm good with that.

Let's see how you do?

[IamMab]

16. I'm more concerned with the lies Bernie said about the event.

Like how he was invited by the Pope, when he wasn't. And like how he was going to have a sit-down with the Pope, when he isn't. And like how he was "invited" to speak, when he clearly lobbied his friend who was involved to be invited instead.

Maybe Bernie should make a detour to a confessional, and unburden himself from the false witness he bore over and over in regards to his Italy trip.

[IdaBriggs]

17. Willful ignorance is not attractive or an excuse. Prove you know the difference

in their stances by taking the test or just admit you can't do it.

[IamMab]

18. A test of quotes has nothing to do with Sanders lying about the Pope. Nice try, though.

Maybe such bush-league debates tactics work on Reddit, but I'm not following you down a rabbit-hole of distraction.

[IdaBriggs]

22. You have zero credibility. I suspect you are one of Brock's paid shills.

People actually interested in these issues (especially since you profess to be Catholic) should have spent the five minutes to see what the two men said.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2016/04/us/bernie-sanders-pope-who-said-it/

A few years ago ago, a pope profusely praised democratic socialism, calling the political platform a close fit with the Catholic Church’s social agenda.

That Pope was Benedict XVI, a man known for his forceful defense of Catholic orthodoxy.
The point is, even conservative popes pushed liberal economic policies long before Francis arrived in Rome. But few have captured the media’s attention like the Argentine Jesuit.

Count Bernie Sanders among Francis’ hallelujah choir. The Vermont senator, an avowed democratic socialist, has repeatedly praised the Pope, calling his outspoken critique of capitalism and defense of the environment a gift from You Know Who.

“I think that the Pope is playing an historical role coming at exactly the right moment in human history, where his voice is having a profound impact, not only on our country, but all over the world,” Sanders told Salt and Light, a Canadian Catholic media ministry.

The Pope and Sanders don’t agree on everything, abortion and same-sex marriage being among the biggest points of conflict. But on economic and environmental issues at least, the Catholic prelate and secular Jewish senator sometimes sound like long, lost soulmates. Take a look below, for instance, and see if you can tell which man uttered the quote in question.

And just to clarify, that "Salt and Light" interview took place on September 21, 2015, while the invite is from this year.

http://saltandlighttv.org/blog/fr-thomas-rosica/statement-concerning-salt-and-lights-witness-interview-with-senator-bernie-sanders

[Agschmid]

38. Because accusing someone of being a "paid shill" is apparently okay now.

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[IdaBriggs]

40. "Member since: Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:55 PM"

I understand why you voted the way you did, but people interested in actual discussion investigate, and this new poster doesn't do that.

Take a look here - http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511740074 - and you will understand why this poster seems odd to me.

To the rest of the jury, thank you.

[Agschmid]

42. And the one you linked too hasn't been a member much longer and has a transparency page visible.

Member since: Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:32 AM

So yah... It's still not okay IMO to call someone a "paid shill" because they disagree with you. I certainly wish it would stop, but hey it is what it is.

[IdaBriggs]

46. Good point on the one I linked to, although the same article has been posted

several times and I just grabbed the most recent one.

We've been getting a lot of newbies, which I personally think is a good thing because the more people *involved* in the discussion, the better BUT --

That doesn't mean we don't have to be aware of the "paid shill" issue. I would love to believe we just have someone who is Super Passionate (I know I get that way) but the red flag for me is when someone can't/won't follow a simple link so they can discuss the actual facts of the matter.

In this case, the poster was denigrating Bernie Sanders and his long running admiration for the current Pope, while claiming "maybe" he was a Catholic who felt his religion was being used. When evidence was presented about the fact Bernie Sanders is actually EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE of the economic views expressed by the Pope (seriously, I failed the test), the poster wouldn't even look or voice an opinion about those issues.

That isn't the way people on a discussion board behave - we *discuss* things, even when we disagree. After having recently read the article I linked to - people getting paid to PRETEND to be grass roots supporters - my naturally trusting nature went the opposite.

The same guy is trying to engage me in another thread where he thinks I hate Obama ( ) and one of his other buddies has me biting my tongue because of insults over election integrity concerns. (Yes, me - the woman who got New Hampshire recounted in 2004 is now dealing with newbies who don't understand election integrity concerns -- argh! Lol!)

[BeanMusical]

41. "a long time DU member"

They registered a long week ago.

(Although it's entirely possible that they were a long time poster in a past incarnation)

[Agschmid]

43. Yah that was an odd alerter comment.

[LiberalFighter]

53. I'm not a fan of that type of thing either. CNN just trying to be cute.

Cause they have nothing better to do.

[brooklynite]

20. Sanders words clearly deserve a better audience than a dusty academic conference...

...maybe somewhere in NYS...before Tuesday.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

24. Maybe I am free to...

...put you on ignore.

[demwing]

27. And maybe you're just sad that Hillary didn't get an invite

Or maybe you just like to fling poo

[IamMab]

28. No, you're just projecting at me.

Goodbye forever.

[demwing]

30. are we breaking up?

what about the kids?

[BeanMusical]

45. Rofl!

[Bobbie Jo]

19. heh

[Stuckinthebush]

39. That was funny

[nichomachus]

52. About the same as Hillary on her sweetheart speeches to fraudsters and banksters

Except that Bernie won't be lining his pockets with millions of dollars and keeping his speeches secret.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

55. You're a seer, a visionary, DU's shaman. Kicking for exposure.

[riderinthestorm]

7. I think the folks denigrating his participation in this conference have never gone to a conference

Some of the best parts occur during the coffee breaks when you get the chance to discuss the last presentation or just network and dialogue.

I find the placement of Bernie’s speech to be fortuitous - he's early which usually means those speeches are well remembered. It also indicates that the Vatican has checked Bernie’s schedule and is accomodating him, which means they really do want to hear his message. And those presentations just before a break get the most immediate discussion since its on your mind - win!

I hope its televised too.

Thanks!

[SFnomad]

10. You haven't seen the itinerary for the conference then, have you.

As part of the conference, each paper that is presented has a period of discussion. Then there are two replies, each of them having discussion time after they are presented. That is outside of coffee breaks. The only one that doesn't have any type of scheduled discussion or any type of reply is BS's presentation.

[ky_dem]

26. He's also not presenting a paper -

similarly in academic conferences the keynote and final speakers aren't given discussion time, and that sounds like what this conference primarily is

granted a more fun conference than the stats conferences I attend

[SFnomad]

31. BS isn't a keynote or a final speaker, he's been given the least amount of time of anyone to speak

[ky_dem]

49. I didn't say he was,

my point was that unless you are actually presenting something at the conference there is no reason to have comment time. And so what if we was given the least amount of time? He's in some pretty impressive company - most people can stand not being the center of attention when that means getting to listen to other great people speak.

Personally, I'm really glad he got to speak and basically tell the world that America's youth are really starting to be concerned about income inequality and the effects of capitalism run rampant, I'm proud that that is what Bernie feels about my generation

[tjhoneycutt]

21. this isnt a large conference

There are a total of 36 people participating in the conference, including those labeled as "other participants" who appear to be guests (Jeffrey Sachs' and Bernie Sanders' wives, for example). This is a group that would fit inside a conference room around a large table. I don't think they anyone planned for a live broadcast for a 10 minute speech from someone added at the last minute, and those who think otherwise ought to get a little extra humility in their coffee this morning. This conference is not about Bernie Sanders. And its worth pointing out that all the academic contributors are following a format of delivering a 30 minute paper followed by two respondents who each deliver a 15 minute response followed by 15 minutes of group discussion. So the "coffee break" is to take a pee and get some refreshment, not a social hour to discuss the topics though of course some of that will happen. But given that there are only 36 people, they are in the session to do actually have the discussions together which is why its in the agenda that way. Lastly, it is only a 10 minute slot that Bernie has... it starts at 4pm and his plane just landed at 3:01 local time today so he will barely make it in time to speak, let alone have any context to tailor his remarks to reflect the prior speakers or discussion that have proceeded him in the 7 hours prior to arrival. Will he even be there on time is a question given that the drive from LIRA airport to Vatican is 35 - 45 mins (but he could be taking a helicopter and based on the chartered 767 money seems to be of no concern for this trip).

[winter is coming]

23. 36 people would be a pretty big conference table.

I've been to smaller symposia tacked on to larger, related conferences and the break and meal times, even at events with only a few dozen attendees, were still the best part. Since Bernie's not presenting a formal paper, he doesn't need a set Q&A followup time; people can talk to him during the breaks at at the end of the day. Even when there isn't a dinner scheduled, people usually get together for meals to continue talking.

[demwing]

29. 36 people? That's bigger than some Hillary rallies

[ky_dem]

51. HA HA!

[Dem2]

9. Am I wrong to think he wants to get this trip in before...

...?

[pdsimdars]

13. Ask the FBI

[bigtree]

14. several hour of not meeting the Pope

...followed by several hours looking for someone important to take a photo with.

Then, 10-minutes at a mic in a room somewhere in Rome talking to a curious, but sparse audience which may or may not understand a word he's saying and wonder why in the Vatican he's there.

[Tarc]

25. Don't blink, you may miss it

[Bjornsdotter]

33. Agreed....

Hillary certainly missed it.

[Tarc]

34. Yes, Hillary missed the chance to fly a 4,000+ miles to talk for 10 minutes

as opposed to doing something productive, e.g. speaking to the voters during the election that she is aiming to win.

[Bjornsdotter]

35. Yes Bernie is concerned about people

....globally, unlike Hillary.

Unless of course she can arrange a coup or sell them weapons, then she is all about it.

[Tarc]

36. When Bernie decides to run of the President of Earth, give us a holler

[Bjornsdotter]

37. Very short sighted of you

....I see that a lot in this country.

[BeanMusical]

47. +1

[ScreamingMeemie]

32. The level of angry tinglies here over this blows my mind.

It's just a visit to Rome, People Who Don't Like Bernie, go about your day.

Can we talk about actual issues yet?

[workinclasszero]

44. Hes hanging aroung Vatican Square hoping to ambush the Pope

for a quick photo op I think.

[BeanMusical]

48. Very doubtful. It's more Hillary's style.

[Capt. Obvious]

50. Geek Tragedy does

[Warren Stupidity]

54. !