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slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:45 AM Mar 2016

Remember when the divisiveness began on DU, I do, it was spring/summer of 2014...

with posts that stated 'old white males should just fade away' and give way to a younger generation.

Afterwards it changed to more of a racial divide and 'not good enough Bernie' it did not matter that Sanders was on the front lines for equality, that was just glossed over.

Kudos to Black Men for Bernie for going out there and confronting the issue and taking a stance against the negativity and racial bias, last I read they are in Philly, then NY and across the country to California.

http://blackmenforbernie.com/

Problem is the younger generation is not as constrained by parties, they look at issues above fighting for a label, so the general election will have less willing soldiers/participants to go along with what the establishment would like to see.

But the idea of separating people, be they older white males, racial minorities or gender preference needs to be acknowledged and pushed back as a reason to support or deny their chance to survive in our nation.

We all need to strive for a better world and not segment people by some false sense of equality, but seek common ground on issues where we agree upon.


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Remember when the divisiveness began on DU, I do, it was spring/summer of 2014... (Original Post) slipslidingaway Mar 2016 OP
2014????? nt MADem Mar 2016 #1
Links, yes it was 2014, I almost said 2013, but then again I tend to get the years confused ... slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #4
I believe that there is a growing trend Aerows Mar 2016 #2
I agree that all people should think for themselves and never bow down to pressure, even if there .. slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #5
Do you mean spring/summer of 2015? Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #3
Well, in late 2014, some of us were ruffling feathers Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #6
It is unfortunate that many people held their tongue after Obama was elceted ... slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #8
No, it was summer of 2014 that the White Male problem began to surface on DU ... slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #7
Yes...THIS!! It has become intolerable and totally counter productive...unless you want to divide. haikugal Mar 2016 #10
Exactly, how many times do we need to point this out, we are not about dividing ... slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #11
Well it's understandable and very clear. haikugal Mar 2016 #13
Signed up already for when the day comes and we are no longer welcome here ... slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #14
Well we're already not welcome, that's been made very clear. haikugal Mar 2016 #15
Moving is hard .... slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #17
" After you old guys are gone the rest of us will make up the new majority" slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #9
Yes....it's been going on for quite a while. Really good people are banned or in limbo. haikugal Mar 2016 #12
Well I need to thank you DU and some posters for helping me see the light ... slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #16
not to mention that's basically pumping a Piper Alpha-level gout of fuel onto Trumpism's fire MisterP Mar 2016 #20
Yes, not a good thing! nt slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #45
The glee these people speak of white people no longer being a majority is disgusting. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #42
Hard to accept the divisons according to race that crept into DU. nt slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #46
2008 sucked as bad as 2016 Sky Masterson Mar 2016 #18
Yes, might be something there, but I do not think it is good. nt slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #47
K &R!!! Yes, agreed! nt riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #19
Thx! nt slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #39
You're talking about the regressive Left Prism Mar 2016 #21
Righteous rant! riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #22
^^^THAT RIGHT THERE^^^ beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #29
+1. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #34
tumblrinaction is one of my favorite subreddits Prism Mar 2016 #35
Right? VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #36
There was a nasty TERF contingent on DU Prism Mar 2016 #37
I can tell. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #38
That used to be one of my favorite subreddits... Odin2005 Mar 2016 #40
Yeah, you have to sift Prism Mar 2016 #43
Once again, Prism strikes right to the heart of it. Bonobo Apr 2016 #49
Agreed, I wish he would post more ops. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #53
Great post and I agree that that years from now we will all be so blended and hopefully more ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #50
Bravo nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #56
Fuckin A, man. Fuckin A. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Apr 2016 #63
It started years before that PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #23
Are you talking about the people who were insistent that white male privilege is a myth? DanTex Mar 2016 #24
A thread I started on June 20, 2014: Jokerman Mar 2016 #25
Yeah that was uncanny, I mean downright spooky. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #28
"sometimes you just have to use the word profestic" Jokerman Mar 2016 #31
I've never seen that, thanks for the tip! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #32
That's funny, I remember it as the fall of 2002. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #26
Very well said Time for change Mar 2016 #27
Exactly, so nice to 'have you back' :) nt slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #51
DU was divided long before 2014. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #30
The racial divide began in full force in 2014 to the best of my recollection, then took off from... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #54
There was a nasty divide upon Obama's first day in office. Sheepshank Mar 2016 #33
People on DU objected to issues which had nothing to do with race. nt slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #55
It began during the Obamacare battle. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #41
That was an ojection to policy when Obama silenced the call for a national HC system, unfortunately slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #57
To clarify 2014 was the first time I remember race being used to divide people on DU ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #44
Yep, I don't care what your color or gender is. retrowire Apr 2016 #48
My thoughts as well! nt slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #58
Lol killbotfactory Apr 2016 #52
Disagree, the point is that issues were always contentious, the idea of dividing people by race, age slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #59
I've been here for Kerry vs. Edwards vs. Dean, and Obama vs. Clinton killbotfactory Apr 2016 #65
DU has been divided since the run-up to the 2008 election. Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #61
True, but I never felt the racial/old white male/women divide take focus until 2014 ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #62
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2016 #64

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
4. Links, yes it was 2014, I almost said 2013, but then again I tend to get the years confused ...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:11 AM
Mar 2016

between my husband's two stem cell transplants, you might think I am also suffering from the effects of chemo brain and having
one's immune system wiped out four times, but I was just a witness.

The divisive posts need to end ... either you are for the survival of the majority or you are not.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5078402

Thanks for linking the two original posts which mention the WHITE MEN on DU ...

sheshe2

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025060206#post12

"...I have read too many times here that we need to try to reach out to... Drumroll please...... WHITE MEN! Not our base, and our voters, but we need to reach out to old white males and not say stuff that might make them anxious. Why? Because the board is full of them and some of them think that the nation is not paying attention to their problems ..."

Then in response to another poster ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5060383

"After you old guys are gone the rest of us will make up the new majority ..."

Since then there seems to have been lots of back peddling, but those were the original comments directed at old, white men of DU. Sad that these type of comments will now be acceptable on DU.





 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
2. I believe that there is a growing trend
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:59 AM
Mar 2016

that is defying monolithic voter blocs. I feel it is a good thing, too, that regardless of which demographic voters belong to, they choose for themselves.

It makes politicians and pundits want to tear their hair out.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
5. I agree that all people should think for themselves and never bow down to pressure, even if there ..
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:22 AM
Mar 2016

is a short term discomfort, now that is a whole is a whole other conversation and the meaning of short term consequences and of course the meaning of is

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
3. Do you mean spring/summer of 2015?
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:06 AM
Mar 2016

Because the girls of the BOG were still talking to me back in 2014.

But, after the spring of 2015, not so much.






Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
6. Well, in late 2014, some of us were ruffling feathers
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:41 AM
Mar 2016

by suggesting that Hillary should have a challenger in the Democratic primary.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
8. It is unfortunate that many people held their tongue after Obama was elceted ...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:10 AM
Mar 2016

if you objected to an issue it was deemed you some underlying racial bias, even though many people voted for him not based on the color of his skin.

A challenger is good, it makes us think, not just accept

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
7. No, it was summer of 2014 that the White Male problem began to surface on DU ...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:52 AM
Mar 2016

and I remember thinking back then.... this was no good! This was clearly a tool to divide people, it quickly became a white vs black issue heading into the 2015 primary election season and we see how this has evolved or more accurately devolved.

Seeds are planted in the prior year But if you were critical, then you were a closet racist, so people did not object.



Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:51 PM

bravenak (25,837 posts)

12. I believe i read last night that the reason some can't give him any credit is because.......


Anti Obama posts get more recs. I believe thats was the jist of it.
My best explanation for the lack of support he receives here as opposed to the broad support he receives from the party as a whole is because the make up/demographics of DU is not representative of the party's demographics nationally. The base of the party is women, Blacks, Asians and Latinos/Hispanics along with LGBT and young people. The make up of DU skews heavily older, whiter, and more male than the Democratic party and has a heavy streak of Libertarianism. We have been seeing a bit of a xenophobic attitude lately, a coldness towards AA's, some homophobia and a nice tasty dash of sexism to round out the course. And those posts can go to jury and stand.
Why would anyone who isn't already here who is of the base as i described above want to join and engage with us just to be called a Obamabot or a reverse racist or a screeching feminist or told to speak english or go away by democrats?
Our democratic board has so much in common with republican boards i like to read and compare us to them and sometimes i LOL at the similarities between their posters and ours.
I have read too many times here that we need to try to reach out to... Drumroll please...... WHITE MEN! Not our base, and our voters, but we need to reach out to old white males and not say stuff that might make them anxious. Why? Because the board is full of them and some of them think that the nation is not paying attention to their problems.


That's my tldr explanation of the sickness that we suffer from.

Voted!!!!!


slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
11. Exactly, how many times do we need to point this out, we are not about dividing ...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:43 AM
Mar 2016

WTH is wrong with these people who seek to divide constantly?

Totally bewildered ... and way past my bedtime






haikugal

(6,476 posts)
13. Well it's understandable and very clear.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:54 AM
Mar 2016

If you're tired go here...read and be refreshed.

http://jackpineradicals.org/content.php

We are working for a different future.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
14. Signed up already for when the day comes and we are no longer welcome here ...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 04:05 AM
Mar 2016

unfortunately the 'underground' future might not be very hospitable and too much establishment friendly.




slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
17. Moving is hard ....
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 04:33 AM
Mar 2016

done that twice in real life in the past years, so it is a slow progress.

Registered with the same name over there, yet to post though.









slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
9. " After you old guys are gone the rest of us will make up the new majority"
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:30 AM
Mar 2016

those seeking to divide people took roots back in 2014, sorry but I found that disgusting/ discouraging and demeaning almost two years ago, it still is today.



And I am not even a guy!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5060383

bravenak (25,842 posts)

41. After you old guys are gone the rest of us will make up the new majority.

I think it will take much less time than the estimates project. I have two children, he has four, i expect to have two more and that will still mean i will have the least amount of children for a Lady in my family. My grandmother had ten. Most of my friends have several already and are continuing to procreate. Many of my white friends are in mixed marriages and have several children who identify as asian or black or hispanic not white. Minorities are not cozy with wall street for the most part, and women especially single one are less likely to vote Republican. So in twenty years we will not have 2 Parties run by Old white Dudes who service the rich. We will be voting ourselves a right good part of their money, praise R'hllor.

You got to realize that power is shifting towards a more liberal society and that it is the old white men who are standing in the way of progress, passing shit laws and fighting against womens rights. The kids growing up see their congressmen screeching about illegals, urban youths, thugs, wetbacks and more. They will not be voting for Republicans. And Democrats better get our shit together and start bringing in the next generation quickly before Republicans decide to get smart, steal our platform, and out voters. Because sorry to tell you, the youth is not interested in the NSA all day everyday, they post every private thought they have on Tumblr, facebook, etc.

They will kill wall street when they get their time. I'll be right here helping them find the means. And we need their help to do it because the old party bosses still control the legislature, for now.

The only way to get the votes is to get the voters engaged. And horror stories about how much you hate Obama is not a good lure when you are fishing in a pond of Obama supporters, and the youth , women, lgbt's, and minorities are supporters of this President. You are driving them away and losing us votes.





haikugal

(6,476 posts)
12. Yes....it's been going on for quite a while. Really good people are banned or in limbo.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:49 AM
Mar 2016

Neocon Dems are doing what they do best.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
16. Well I need to thank you DU and some posters for helping me see the light ...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 04:26 AM
Mar 2016

it is heartening to see several long time posters supporting Sanders, but there are others who left or were banned years ago.

Welsh terrier who argued for the need to advance an issue, you need to argue for idea before it becomes a reality!

Hannah who spoke of SS and the need to tax capital gains, just raising the cap on SS is not going to do it and would tilt the equation so it would becomes unbalanced, their voices have been missed for years.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
20. not to mention that's basically pumping a Piper Alpha-level gout of fuel onto Trumpism's fire
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 01:07 AM
Mar 2016

"lower and middle classes are losing their livelihoods, health, and hope itself? well if they're WHITE let THEM see what it's like!"

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
21. You're talking about the regressive Left
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 01:22 AM
Mar 2016

And this election really is seeing the rise of the SJW campaign style.

I know there are people - good, well-meaning people - who hate that term. But I strongly feel it is an apt descriptor of a segment of regressive liberal who forgot why social justice matters and instead started playing semantic games through which to express personal rage, and in turn attempt to become the authoritarian power as compensation for perceived powerlessness.

Bashing white people and white men in particular is part of it. The fact people feel like it's nothing to bash white men when plenty of them are liberals should be a giant, flaming sign that there is an utter lack of focus or even cursory thinking involved. DU allows this sort of thing as a matter of rote. Do you have a problem? There's a white man behind it. Somewhere. Fuck that guy.

But, this thinking is poisonous, because the questions of oppression, appropriation, and systematic discrimination become games.

Look at where we are with this now. Only a certain kind of minority opinion is allowed. Are you a PoC with the wrong opinion? Off with you. And you're probably not really a PoC anyway. Are you a woman that veered off into independent thinking? You're a slave to patriarchy, or just want to impress boys, and here, let us slut shame and objectify you as a way of insult. Are you an LGBTer who is fully conscious of where we are and where we're going? No, no. Let these straight people mangle your history, and should you object, well, you're just a dissatisfied hater.

We've gone from a party of diversity to a party where there is an Official Minority Opinion, and there is nothing worse than a minority who doesn't tow the official line. They get it the worst. I know this. I'm a gay man. I've watched smears and slanders and attempts at shutting down if I don't express the correct opinion. On this board alone, I've literally sat through episodes of straight people more or less going, "Hooray for gay rights! Wait, you're criticizing my favored politician? STFU, f----t!" And then merrily proceed, instilled with a sense of self-righteousness that one rarely sees outside of an actual religion.

From the outside, this looks like pure insanity, if not some kind of psychological disorder.

But there's literally no talking to the people who are engaged in this. You would have better luck bothering about a Scientologist.

I'm a regular ole liberal. I believe in racial equality. I believe that cultural blending is a good thing. I believe institutional racism and sexism exist and must be combated. I believe the LGBT community should be self-deterministic. I believe shitty speech is best countered by more speech. I believe people should be secure in their opinions without losing their livelihoods.

This is anathema to a regressive, authoritarian crowd. They call themselves liberal, but they're not. They're a new creature, and one I have no truck with.

But damn if they're not incredibly active.

Fortunately, I already see the blowback. People just aren't having this shit the way they used to. And the regressives will scream about privilege, -isms, and a thousand other vocab words they learned on the internet.

But I firmly believe common sense and common rationality will prevail. Because half this shit doesn't stand up to even five minutes worth of critical thought.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
34. +1.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:02 AM
Mar 2016

Vitriolic tumblrisms get added to my ignore list with roughly the same speed of an anti-Semite.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
35. tumblrinaction is one of my favorite subreddits
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 12:30 PM
Mar 2016

And it's amazing, because these are ostensibly people interested in social justice, but they really don't seem to like gay men. And they really, really don't care for trans people.

But there is no buying of clues in the wheel of suburban oppression.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
36. Right?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 01:35 PM
Mar 2016

I spent two years trying to tolerate that thicket of radical feminism and the fact that TERFs kept showing up day after day; but I eventually gave up and deleted my account. HRC's supporters think Bernie supporters are zealots? They ain't seen nothin'. Well, with exception of a couple people on their side.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
37. There was a nasty TERF contingent on DU
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 01:57 PM
Mar 2016

Until their leader got banned. Then they cowered down and started (marginally) behaving. They're still here, though. And still playing the same games. Just not bashing the transgendered anymore.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
40. That used to be one of my favorite subreddits...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:19 PM
Mar 2016

...unfortunately it got taken over by right-wing idiots ranting about "cultural Marxism".

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
43. Yeah, you have to sift
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:55 PM
Mar 2016

It used to be a subreddit where liberals looked at insanity, but there's a definite tea party strain bouncing about now.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
49. Once again, Prism strikes right to the heart of it.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:32 PM
Apr 2016

One of the clearest thinkers and best writers here on DU.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
50. Great post and I agree that that years from now we will all be so blended and hopefully more ...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:37 PM
Apr 2016

accepting. I believe that building a foundation on the backs of another segment of society is not a winning strategy, but you said it much better than I can, thanks!!!

I was surprised when my 25 year old son told me tonight there is now not a chance he could ever vote for Hillary, something his friends have been saying for weeks.

They realize the insanity of the other party, but they also see the rigged two party system and are willing to take a stand now.

Response to Prism (Reply #21)

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
23. It started years before that
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:02 AM
Mar 2016

Third wayers started swarming this site after Obama became a "moderate republican."

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
24. Are you talking about the people who were insistent that white male privilege is a myth?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:04 AM
Mar 2016

Yes, I have noticed that a lot of those have become Bernie or Busters. Hmm...

Jokerman

(3,518 posts)
25. A thread I started on June 20, 2014:
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:15 AM
Mar 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/123023959

The outrage junkies and the anoint Hillary crowd are working overtime.


It's the 2008 election cycle all over again.

"Hillary WILL be the nominee so if ANYONE says ANYTHING negative about her the Democratic Party is DOOMED!" (paraphrasing only slightly)

Don't so much as wince when Hillary wears her religion on her sleeve or the two groups will join to form the perfect storm.

"OMG - Tom Tomorrow is being CONTROVERSIAL!?!?!"

"OMG - The Rude Pundit is being RUDE!?!?!"

I've served on 4 juries in the last 24 hours and everyone of the alerts was a bullshit attempt to silence discussion about the rude one.

I served as a real juror once in an attempted murder trial and came home exhausted and completely disillusioned with the jury system so I guess I shouldn't be surprised when the DU jury system lets me down.
 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
26. That's funny, I remember it as the fall of 2002.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:20 AM
Mar 2016

And the the issue was the support among Democrats for the Bush plans to launch a war of aggression in the Middle East. And there have been many major waves of "divisiveness" ever since, which some people seem to think, correctly I'd say, is actually a form of democratic debate.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
54. The racial divide began in full force in 2014 to the best of my recollection, then took off from...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:45 PM
Apr 2016

there, for the ten years prior on DU I never remember DU members telling the old white people (guys) to just shut up.

There should be a method to assert inequities without maligning another group.



 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
33. There was a nasty divide upon Obama's first day in office.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:57 AM
Mar 2016

there is a pretty strong correlation between the Obama bashers and now those that are anti Hillary. And I'm not the only one that has noticed.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
41. It began during the Obamacare battle.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:24 PM
Mar 2016

This site became infested with Centrist BS telling us how wonderful the ACA was.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
57. That was an ojection to policy when Obama silenced the call for a national HC system, unfortunately
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

almost all objections to policy were then rooted in the color of a person's skin. I agree that many policy disputes were viewed from centrist policies but they now had another out ... someone was being biased because of the color of Obama's skin. Hard to overcome and to combat.




slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
44. To clarify 2014 was the first time I remember race being used to divide people on DU ...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:24 PM
Apr 2016

first we had the (white) guys and then we had the 'Not good enough Bernie' thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026737025

Surely we can address racial issues without demeaning other groups.

Thx for the comments



retrowire

(10,345 posts)
48. Yep, I don't care what your color or gender is.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:32 PM
Apr 2016

If a trans lady got on stage and gave the same platform as Bernie, I'd be all for her.

I do not give a fuuuuuuuckkkk. It's the message that matters.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
52. Lol
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:40 PM
Apr 2016

Noobs.

It's always been like this during primary season.

Everyone needs to chill the fuck out

But nobody will, and it's kind of admirable.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
59. Disagree, the point is that issues were always contentious, the idea of dividing people by race, age
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:11 AM
Apr 2016

or whatever was a more recent (and destructive) addition to DU.

Not something to be proud of in my opinion and certainly not something we should just laugh off.





killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
65. I've been here for Kerry vs. Edwards vs. Dean, and Obama vs. Clinton
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:37 PM
Apr 2016

The forum right now is downright civil compared to that.

People are passionate about the future of this country.

All this debate just makes us sharper.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
61. DU has been divided since the run-up to the 2008 election.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:43 AM
Apr 2016

Things were much more copacetic around here when George Bush was president. It helped to have a common enemy.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
62. True, but I never felt the racial/old white male/women divide take focus until 2014 ...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:10 AM
Apr 2016

and then especially during this election. But I so I agree that having a common foe, such as Bush, puts people at ease, or maybe to sleep

We could also say that having a Dem in the WH puts people to sleep and they shy away from their duties to hold elected officials accountable.



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