Bernie won the majority of delegates last night, but Hillary group says she won.

[ViseGrip]

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And they post in their own group as to medicate themselves.

[DanTex]

1. The towering 300 delegate lead she's got is all the "medication" we need.

[workinclasszero]

37. Not to mention 2.5 million more people

have voted for Hillary over Bernie.

The OP can keep living in fantasyland.

[stonecutter357]

54. +1000

[metroins]

2. Delegates

Hillary is on target, Bernie is further behind target.

The vast majority of us don't dislike Sanders. It's just disingenuous to suggest he's got a real, credible, path to the nomination.

Hillary is up in popular vote and delegates. It's just facts.

[artyteacher]

51. yeah this.... eom

[VulgarPoet]

3. Two replies, and I'm seeing nothing. Mayhap you struck a nerve. nt

[Agschmid]

40. Echo... Echo...

[chervilant]

52. I can only see ten

of 42 responses. I think I am successfully using my IL.

[JaneyVee]

4. 3 more states down. Bernie is running out of states.

[Cobalt Violet]

5. they are a delusional lot.

Although supporting someone under fbi investigation that could lead to a indictment is stupid rather than delusional.

[randome]

28. That's a lot of stupid voters you presume to know!

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[CalvinballPro]

32. Yes, "delusional" would be pinning your candidate's hopes on a non-existent indictment. nt

[Sheepshank]

47. +! And there you have it. The great hope of how Bernie can win. n/t

[lagomorph777]

68. Bernie won last night - despite the media's blatant spin.

He won 71 delegates; she won 54. This is 1st-grade arithmetic. Apparently most reporters did not graduate 1st grade.

[Thor_MN]

72. A little bit further than 1st grade will inform that to close a 304 delegate gap,

the margin of victory in the remaining states has to be much greater than yesterday. Bernie did win the day, but not by a margin great enough to significantly cut into Clinton's lead.

Unless the delegate counts are much closer or flipped from the ratio they are now, the Super Delegates are going to go the way they have indicated. One can say they don't count yet, but absent an amazing comeback, they have already given an indication of what they will do.

I'm fine with either candidate and view things realistically. Sanders will need some incredible blowouts to not be in second place come the convention.

[lagomorph777]

73. Would 80/20 margins qualify?

'cause that's what he got in Idaho and Utah last night.

For the three states combined, he got 31% margin.

And the upcoming states are even friendlier to Bernie.

On edit: I notice you deleted mention of the 18% margin he will need going forward.

[thereismore]

88. He is doing just fine. Go Bernie! We are waiting for you here in CA! nt

[Thor_MN]

90. Perhaps in your rush to see only what you want to see, you confused me with someone else?

I did not delete anything.

Sanders will need an incredible comeback to invoke the "Super Delegates don't count" mantra. I wish him luck in that, but will not be holding my breath. Like I said, I'm fine with either of them. I'm not a spoiled brat, "My way or I'm taking the ball home."

[grasswire]

82. It's more than stupid and delusional. nt

[stonecutter357]

6. umadbro?

[casperthegm]

7. Is there a total for delegates won last night?

Should be simple math. What's the total for each candidate?

[lagomorph777]

74. Bernie won pretty handily overall

Arizona · 75 delegates
99% reporting · Clinton won and has 44 delegates, Sanders has 30
Idaho · 23 delegates
100% reporting · Sanders won and has 17 delegates, Clinton has 5
Utah · 33 delegates
99% reporting · Sanders won and has 24 delegates, Clinton has 5

https://www.google.com/search?q=bernie+delegatges&oq=bernie+delegatges&aqs=chrome..69i57.3343j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=bernie+delegates&eob=m.09c7w0/D/3/full/m.09c7w0/g.11bx8sb_zm

[casperthegm]

80. Excellent

Thanks for the info

[JoePhilly]

8. I enjoy it when a guy scores a touchdown, and then celebrates wildly ...

... forgetting that he's still down by about 300 points.

[Surya Gayatri]

14. Joe, Joe, sarcasm will get you nowhere...

but, it sure can be a good laugh...

[Dem2]

9. So what?

I trashed both "specialty" groups and I never visited either.

I can think for myself without the peer pressure to conform.

[MidwestTech]

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[arcane1]

35. More chickenshit alerts. Thanks, admins.

I hope you're happy.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

55. Wow, they didn't even provide a reason for the alert

[Lizzie Poppet]

11. Hey, thanks for reminding me!

I've never gotten around to getting banned there. Now to think of the best post to accomplish that with...

[geek tragedy]

17. so you think that trolling a protected group reflects well on you? nt

[Lizzie Poppet]

18. Wait, you actually think I care what the Ostrich Army thinks of me?

Oh, that's just adorable.

[geek tragedy]

19. okay, if your ego needs the satisfaction of trolling people out of malice, go for it nt

[Lizzie Poppet]

20. Golly, thanks! I was _totally_ waiting for your permission.

Free clue: I'll be doing this solely because of countless Hillary acolytes (like you) who've treated me and other Bernie supporters with smug condescension, loyalty demands, and general asshattery. "As you sow..."

[geek tragedy]

21. you all have been such angels of good will, community building, and civility nt

[Lizzie Poppet]

24. I can't speak for anyone but myself...

...but I know I didn't fire the first shots.

[geek tragedy]

25. let us just say that everyone outside the Bernie Bubble has a good chuckle

whenever Bernie partisans complain about online vitriol

[Lizzie Poppet]

29. Holy shit, a psychic! Can you also tell the future?

Who ya got for the Tour d'France?

[geek tragedy]

30. a doper nt

[Lizzie Poppet]

31. Sadly, that's probably a good call.

Kinda glad my racing days are over. Not that there has ever been nearly as much doping on the women's side: no money in it, so a lot less motivation.

[Agschmid]

41. ...

The truth is revealed.

[Lizzie Poppet]

43. Revealed? Um...

...it's not like I've been concealing anything. Payback's a...well...me. It's not like I pretend otherwise...although I do avoid first strikes.

[Loudestlib]

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[Lizzie Poppet]

69. Thanks. And thanks, jurors, for recognizing the lack of threat.

Well...except the one. And to the transparently obvious alert swarmer(s): better luck next time...bless your heart!

To be explicit: I'd never, ever threaten or commit physical violence upon anyone not actively trying to harm me or obviously about to.

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[Lizzie Poppet]

71. Fortunately, the alert/jury system is changing soon, and that sort of abuse will be punished.

Can't wait...

And to whoever's stalking me, grow a fucking spine and PM me if you have a problem.

[Agschmid]

75. None of those alerts were mine, I know you won't believe me most likely...

But I clearly have no problem saying what I feel in the thread.

[Lizzie Poppet]

79. On the contrary: I have no reason to believe you're a liar.

No problem taking you at your word...

[Agschmid]

84. Thanks.

[hack89]

12. Bernie missed his delegate target last night by double digits. That should concern you. nt

[bobbobbins01]

38. I believe the delegates haven't been completely awarded yet...but...

Including Democrats Abroad 2 days ago, he needed 57.5% and he has 57.6%. Not much of a buffer going forward, but it still puts him on pace, so he is hitting the appropriate numbers right now. Washington is going to be a real bellwether.

[hack89]

44. He has only hit his target in 11 of 29 states

he is badly under performing.

[bobbobbins01]

45. Ok, but the percentages still are on pace.

So he's overperforming by .1%. Its the math!

[hack89]

48. It is not that straight forward.

because of how the delegates are distributed. He can win 57% of the delegates in the next couple of weeks and have it all wiped out by Hillary winning NY by anything over 50%. Margin of victory in big states is the key here. In any case, the required percentage goes up with every state that he fails to meet his target. And he has to win every state to even have a chance.

[bobbobbins01]

50. He doesn't have to win every state to have a chance.

California alone has enough delegates to make up the difference. So even if Hillary takes 50% in NY, he could crush CA and end it right there. The possibilities are endless! Bernie outperformed UT and ID by something like 40-50%....who knows how NY and CA will look. Not to mention he bought himself a lot of time to campaign in those states. MI was won because they ran ads weeks in advance, OH was lost because they didn't until late in the game. I don't think you, me or anyone really knows how this will play out. But its fun to speculate.

[hack89]

53. First off he is not going to "crush" California.

Hillary right now is favored to win - you know as well as I do that Bernie does not do well in large states with diverse populations. Nothing is going to magically change that fact.

If he won CA by 20 percentage points he would net 115 delegates. He is not going to be anywhere near 200 delegates much less 115 delegates going into CA.

[bobbobbins01]

56. The last poll was end of Dec in CA and it was already a close race.

So saying she's favored to win isn't saying much, that number has probably changed dramatically by now...and there are plenty of other big states in play(most also with ancient polling) before then to make up the rest.

[hack89]

59. That poll had Hillary as an 11 point favorite

why would it change dramatically in Bernie's favor? It is a large state with an ethnically diverse population. Bernie does not do well in states like that. That is why he is not going to "crush" CA or NY.

[bobbobbins01]

60. Because they all do as it gets closer to voting time?

If you haven't noticed, he tends to get at least a 10 point jump in the last 2 weeks before a vote, and there is still a good amount of time before then for him to campaign.

And he doesn't even need to crush is. Hillary people love to trot out Nate Silver predictions...well if you look at his path to victory for both Bernie and Hillary, neither wins the whole thing until CA. And Bernie will only need 14 more delegates than Hillary there to win if everything continues the way it is.

Its going to be a nail biter.

[hack89]

62. Did you notice that Hillary is over performing on her path to victory

while Bernie is under performing? California decides it for Bernie only if he stays on that path. Right now is straying off it. Don't forget that his targets go up every time he fails to meet a target while Hillary's targets go down as she meets her. It becomes harder for Bernie and easier for Hillary.

[bobbobbins01]

63. He picked up a percentage point last night.

And he is behind right now, but those projections take into account where he is right now. And it doesn't get harder for him, it gets easier because he is in friendlier territory. Hillary blew her wad already. Its just ask likely that Hillary will miss a target as it is he will at this point....its anyones game.

[hack89]

64. NY and CA is not friendlier territory. Not white enough. nt

[oberliner]

13. What were the final delegate totals?

How many did each candidate win?

[Marr]

16. 67 for Sanders, 51 for Clinton, I believe. /nt

[oberliner]

23. Do you have a source for that?

A link would be great.

I can't seem to find the official final results anywhere.

[Marr]

26. I don't, sorry.

It was something I heard on the radio this morning. I haven't actually read anything with the numbers either as yet.

[oberliner]

36. Found something online

It seems to confirm the numbers you provided.

Not sure how to link to it though (Google has each primary result listed).

[lagomorph777]

81. Nope - Bernie +71, Hillary+54

Right on google, their own box, if you search "bernie delecgates"

Arizona · 75 delegates
99% reporting · Clinton won and has 44 delegates, Sanders has 30
Idaho · 23 delegates
100% reporting · Sanders won and has 17 delegates, Clinton has 5
Utah · 33 delegates
99% reporting · Sanders won and has 24 delegates, Clinton has 5

[oberliner]

89. Yes, that is the update

With now all the precincts reporting.

The earlier numbers were incomplete.

[Kaleva]

15. Bernie missed his target while Hillary hit hers.

[phantom power]

22. Bernie kept himself in the race, but the logic is...

that to close the gap he needs to maintain a certain overall net delegate lead from here on out. He didn't hit that overall rate last night.

[Autumn Colors]

86. Add to that the net delegates from Democrats Abroad

I believe he got +7 net delegates from that.

[MariaThinks]

27. do the math again. Hillary won by 2

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

58. Huh?

71 for Bernie, 54 for Hillary

54 - 71 = 2???

Math.

[lagomorph777]

67. SO bizarre reading all the media stories trumpeting Hillary's "victory"...

most of them don't even reveal the numerical truth: Bernie won by 17 delegates.

We are truly through the looking glass.

[New Earth]

78. He could actually win the primary

and they'll still say she 'won'.

[lagomorph777]

83. When he's sitting in the Oval Office, will it be a "moral victory" for Hillary?

At what point do numbers matter?

[pdsimdars]

33. But WHO CARES????

They say a lot of what I consider to be nonsense

[BernieforPres2016]

42. I wouldn't know what they were saying

If Bernie supporters didn't keep posting it. I have the Hillary supporters, including the mainstream media, on Ignore.

[stonecutter357]

34. sorry your man lost last night.

[NuclearDem]

39. Hillary lost Utah and Idaho and won Arizona.

Still, she's going to come out behind in delegates. And you know what? That's just fine by me, because Bernie just blew through three of twenty-five remaining contests and only closed a three hundred plus delegate lead by six.

[Garrett78]

46. Did Sanders win 58% or more of the March 22 delegates?

I haven't seen the delegate totals from yesterday's contests. I imagine some delegates are still outstanding.

[grossproffit]

49. Utah and Idaho are huge swing states, too.

[libodem]

57. .

[asuhornets]

61. Hillary is winning

she has not won yet.

[lumberjack_jeff]

65. There's a kind of circular (il)logic at work.

Vote for Hillary, she's the only one that can win!
But she has shitty policies.
Doesn't matter! She's a winnah!
*Bernie wins 71 - 54*
See! The people have spoken! Hillary is a winner because of her awesome policies!

[upaloopa]

76. He won more delegates but it didn't change the dynamics of the primary.

[MrWendel]

77. Congrats for...

throwing a deck chair off the

[desmiller]

85. Sounds like..

they're using the ooool' Tea Party approach when they lost. Perfect example: Chris McDaniel of Jones County, MS. When he making a speech that's nowhere near a concession speech, he was on the verge of crying. Laughed my ass off too. Good riddens to him.

[shadowandblossom]

87. They're probably discussing delegate targets or the general lead.

or, it could happen, that someone passed on info with an error; but since do have over a 300 delegate lead we are feeling fine to be honest with you.

[one_voice]

91. Locking...

disruptive meta is not allowed.