UPDATE: Very Bad Development In Hillary's Email Investigation: She Knew It Was A Security Risk

[berni_mccoy]

Last edited Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:24 AM - Edit history (2)

In 2009, Hillary was Denied a Secure Blackberry Because Of Security Risks

Based on this information, she can't claim ignorance of risk or comprehension of the circumstances. She knowingly put national secrets at risk for the sake of her own convenience and hubris. She used her private blackberry via her private server to communicate official and sometimes secret information.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/emails-clinton-sought-secure-smartphone-rebuffed-nsa-202524970--politics.html

Emails: Hillary Clinton asked for a BlackBerry in 2009, but the NSA said no

Newly released emails show a 2009 request to issue a secure government smartphone to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was denied by the National Security Agency.
...
“We began examining options for (Secretary Clinton) with respect to secure ‘Blackberry-like’ communications,” wrote Donald R. Reid, the department’s assistant director for security infrastructure. “The current state of the art is not too user friendly, has no infrastructure at State, and is very expensive.”
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According to a summary of the meeting, the request was driven by Clinton’s reliance on her Blackberry for email and keeping track of her calendar. Clinton chose not to use a laptop or desktop computer that could have provided her access to email in her office, according to the summary.
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The department’s designated NSA liaison, whose name was redacted from the documents, expressed concerns about security vulnerabilities inherent with using Blackberry devices for secure communications or in secure areas.
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Clinton campaign spokesman Jesse Ferguson did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment Wednesday.

The FBI is investigating whether sensitive information that flowed through Clinton’s email server was mishandled. The State Department has acknowledged that some emails included classified information, including at the top-secret level. The inspectors general at the State Department and for U.S. intelligence agencies are separately investigating whether rules or laws were broken.

Update: This story is breaking across all news organizations. This is a significant development in the investigation and the discussion is changing from will she be charged to what kind of charges at this point.

CBS News:
Emails show NSA rejected Hillary Clinton's request for secure smartphone

Fortune:
Hillary Clinton Was Denied Secure Smartphone Before Setting Up Private Email Server

TIME:
Hillary Clinton's 2009 Request for Secure Smartphone Rejected by NSA

The Hill:
NSA dismissed Clinton request for 'secure' BlackBerry

NY Post:
NSA denied Hillary's 2009 request for secure smartphone

[Jackie Wilson Said]

1. Your desire for this to destroy her political career will not happen. She is

in all likelihood going to be the nominee and will not be indicted.

[bkkyosemite]

9. Jackie you act like this is nothing. So what if...what if your loving relative let's say

was on a top secret mission and she put it on her private server...Let's say it was hacked and your relative was killed because he was outed. So you really think this is nothing. This is a big deal! The only way she does not get in trouble for this is if they are all corrupt and paid for.

[bobbobbins01]

43. Even if she becomes president...

We're going to have years of gridlock as the republicans in the house rehash these emails and benghazi endlessly. Not to mention she'll probably be impeached even if they can prove nothing. Her entire presidency would be one giant scandal.

[AzDar]

52. Nobody is destroying Hillary's political career except Hillary...She demonstrates poor judgement

again and again...

[Jackilope]

78. +1000 ^^^ n/t

[basselope]

125. She may not be indicted, but she won't be elected.

This is just another brick in her giant wall of corruption.

[thereismore]

140. Your desire to have her for POTUS is making you accept unethical or possibly criminal behavior.

Bye now.

[SammyWinstonJack]

184. +1000000.

[IdaBriggs]

155. Yeah, how'd that work for her husband? Oh, yeah. Impeached.

Neutered on key issues. A national embarrassment as his sex life became a running series of jokes.

Nothing to worry about with Hillary being investigated by the FBI. It will blow over.

It always does. There is just so much of it.

[840high]

168. Your desire not to care

about truth is sad.

[SusanLarson]

177. She will be impeached

Most likely before the ink is dry on her oath...

18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 795; Pub. L. 101–510, div. A, title V, § 552(a), Nov. 5, 1990, 104 Stat. 1566; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(I), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

[seabeyond]

213. I know. It is like a hungry pack of animals circling. It is not becoming. Nt

[Jackie Wilson Said]

221. The nonsense about indictments and impeachment.

Ridiculous waste of time when we have important things to do.

[grasswire]

2. drip drip drip

If she wins the GE, impeachment papers will be served on Inauguration Day. Followed by obstructionism ten times worse than Obama has experienced, the humiliation of a public Congressional investigation, while matters of state are ignored.

[Babel_17]

62. Alternatively, give the Republicans most of what they really want, and they'll make decent partners

They'll be stunned by that Kung-fu, and will be signing legislation before they can recover. Might even be able to save most of Social Security.

Some people say the sarcasm tag should always be used, I say there can be exceptions. I figure people will ask if in doubt, and if not in any doubt, it was applied well, or pretty badly.

[tonedevil]

79. Using...

the "some people say" trope are you? That's mighty weak.

[Babel_17]

83. No idea what you mean, sorry

[tonedevil]

223. Well...

your last paragraph seemed a lengthy, and might I add humorous, way to say you were not going to use a sarcasm tag. The first phrase you used, some people say, is frequently used to ask someone an ugly question. In example I offer this: Some people say Fred Jones is cohabiting with a water buffalo.
I had visions of my post being a hilarious add on to your well done sarcasm paragraph. Perhaps I missed the mark.

[Babel_17]

231. Woops, now I got you!

It's a "tone of voice" thing, I guess, and I didn't "hear" the implied flippancy.

Lol, better late than never.

[HassleCat]

135. Better yet.

Give them everything they want, and they'll agree to use Astroglide every time.

[Kalidurga]

180. LOL that isn't how it works.

When you agree with them suddenly it's a bad idea and they fight you. Then all the sudden you are fighting for something you never wanted in the first place. Unless you change your mind again then they say you are a flip flopping weasel that can't be trusted so they fight you again. Plus it's not Astroglide they use it's Iraqi oil they got because Hillary thought you know there are good business opportunities here.

[silenttigersong]

112. But but but she worked with Tom Delay

Tom DeLay: Feds ‘ready to indict’ Clinton


[link:http:// http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/267083-tom-delay-feds-ready-to-indict-clinton|
]

[LiberalFighter]

178. And they would be ruled invalid.

The impeachment process can only be used when crimes are committed while in office.

[Pacifist Patriot]

218. That's not entirely true.

It is possible.

Article II Section IV doesn't spell out when the crime or misdemeanor occurred: "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

An impeachment for a crime committed prior to taking office probably wouldn't be initiated unless it was a high crime, and there was a direct impact on the president's ability to govern. Or, perhaps in the current climate more importantly, if there were political motivations in Congress and they just really really wanted to do it.

Add this to the number of reasons we need to take back Congress from the GOP.

[Chasstev365]

3. A Good Reason for Bernie to Stay in the Race!

[salinsky]

12. Fantasy??

I guess the original impulse lives on.

[orpupilofnature57]

54. Like entitlement , embellishing and detracting from the Truth to win at any cost ?

[bkkyosemite]

4. She wanted those emails on her private server so Billy boy could see them too...

and she put our Country in danger and probably agents too. So bad at judgement.

[Gregorian]

15. I wonder...

That has a ring of truth about it.

[Kip Humphrey]

56. I think the key to understanding this is

A) Hillary is a longtime Blackberry user
B) She insisted she continue using a Blackberry

It is, in fact, quite common for people to become addicted to Blackberry use due to the interface's over-reliance on thumb movement. It is a fact that the Blackberry network was not a secure network during Clinton's time as Secretary. Is thumb-induced serotonin addiction a crime?

[bkkyosemite]

81. In this instance I would say yes.

[Aerows]

85. RIM servers are notoriously

difficult to maintain and secure.

Please raise your hand if you they are the most horrible pieces of software you have ever had to attempt to administrate and secure and ever wish to fool with ever again.

:raises hand:

MTA transaction issues are enough by themselves to make you want to drown yourself, then the backup issues because of execution errors ... journaling. Oh God, no.

I don't regret for a damn second that I absolutely refused to fool with them. I'd live in a box on a street corner rather than support a RIM server.

[Kip Humphrey]

142. in a box on a street corner

Got any lyrics to that thar song?

[Aerows]

143. I don't give a damn about the bad codation

Their living in the past and have bad server stations
It is nothing I want to do, your MTA can't pass
And I don't give a damn about this bad router station
It's all backed up because a bad full squasation

[Kip Humphrey]

150. i surrender

[Aerows]

153. You asked. n/t

[BeanMusical]

151. Oh, that's catchy.

[redstateblues]

103. Is that you Sean Hannity?

[grasswire]

115. hmmmmm

She was running a rogue State Department on her private server, culminating in using BANNED Sidney Blumenthal for intel on Libya. Blumenthal was working to gin up his own private business enterprises in Libya, and he provided Hillary with flawed intel which she used to influence Obama to depost Gadaffi, against his own concerns and the advice of his own advisors. Blumenthal was on the payroll of the Foundation for $120,000 per year. Obama had BANNED him from advising State Department.

And this was all hidden on her private server. I never thought about Bill being able to access it, too. Oy!!!

[840high]

167. Huma had access, too. Probably others as well.

[AtomicKitten]

199. all without proper security clearance

[KoKo]

201. ......! Good Point.

And this was all hidden on her private server. I never thought about Bill being able to access it, too. Oy!!!

[arcane1]

227. The private takeover of a government apparatus. I'm sure there's a word for that...

[mmonk]

5. Yeah I was wondering if anyone was going to post about it.

[DanTex]

6. Ugly. The people reject your candidate, so now you're laying your hopes on a right-wing witch hunt.

[bkkyosemite]

11. Witch hunt? This is real. Is this a true example of denial. I dunno...

[DanTex]

17. It is real. It's a real witch hunt.

[Logical]

47. LOL, you are back by the grace of Skinner! nt

[DanTex]

48. I missed you Logical. How's the primary going for you?

[Logical]

51. Well, not as good as you. But I still have hope! Take care. nt

[redstateblues]

104. Glad you're back DanTex. You've been missed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

91. Why would you celebrate the fact that some folks were arbitrarily punished/silenced?

The fact that the administrators have decided to alter the time out system is an admission the system was broken, was it not?

Before you answer it please keep in mind I have Skinner's missive bookmarked.


Thank you in advance.

[Logical]

94. So the jury system is broke if Hillary fans get banned??? I get it. Skinner just happens.....

to favor Hillary! Hmmmmmm?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

97. Here is the contact information for the administrators.

David Allen
Forum username: Skinner
Co-founder, Forum Administrator
[e-mail]

Dave Allsopp
Forum username: EarlG
Co-founder, Forum Administrator
[e-mail]

Brian Leitner
Forum username: Elad
Lead Programmer, Forum Administrator
[e-mail]

If you have any complaints about the administration of our august board i suggest you share it with them.

[Logical]

98. Thanks, like that would get me anywhere! nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. "Keep hope alive."

[wyldwolf]

26. thank GAWD for Judicial Watch

[corbettkroehler]

76. Justice Can Remain Blind

It's amazing to see the blindness of Mother Justice in this case. I respect Judicial Watch, despite its conservative nature.

[amborin]

13. it's a hunt for the truth; our politicians should be truthful; should not matter who seeks the truth

otherwise it's a "kill the messenger" response

[NowSam]

22. Not a witch hunt

I don't think we should trivialize the matter. I think it speaks to her judgement and character. I personally believe that this candidate is extremely flawed both in judgement and integrity and the dirty campaign she has run against Bernie thus far makes it very hard for many of us to get behind her. If she is removed by a scandal and we then have the opportunity to choose a better candidate - one who has integrity, honesty, good judgement and cares about the issues that matter to the 99% like clean air and water, taking care of the children, the sick, the elderly, the poor and the veterans, a candidate who cares about reforming the for profit criminal system, and one who cares about healthcare as a right for all, for tuition free college - that is who I want and if her scandals take her out of the running - then she earned that. By the way, let's see those speeches. I still feel that the banks paid her with our money.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. The voters have spoken and they have rejected him.

What gives you the right to usurp their votes?

[Politicalboi]

80. Not all of us

And hopefully the courts will speak loud and clear real soon.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

87. It won't help your flailing candidate.

But please "keep hope alive."

[thartic]

187. "Keep Hope Alive"

I love it! kill kill hope! ruthless pragmatism here we come!

[synergie]

96. Just the majority of us, hopefully you'll be able to hear and appreciate the silence

of the courts and the FBI and whomever else you're being told will be acting here. Those of us who are not reading the Daily Caller and various other CON publications realize that straining to hear imaginary things is a pointless exercise.

[notadmblnd]

228. Only 1/2 the voters have spoken

What gives HRC and her supporters the right to deny them their vote? Oh, and if you all had your way, you'd be the ones doing the usurping- not the poster you were replying to.

u·surp
yo͞oˈsərp/
verb
verb: usurp; 3rd person present: usurps; past tense: usurped; past participle: usurped; gerund or present participle: usurping

take (a position of power or importance) illegally or by force.
"Richard usurped the throne"
synonyms: seize, take over, take possession of, take, commandeer, wrest, assume, expropriate
"Richard usurped the throne"
take the place of (someone in a position of power) illegally: supplant.
"the Hanoverian dynasty had usurped the Stuarts"
synonyms: oust, overthrow, remove, topple, unseat, depose, dethrone; More
supplant, replace
"the Hanoverian dynasty had usurped the Stuarts"
archaic
encroach or infringe upon (someone's rights).
"the Church had usurped upon the domain of the state"

[democrattotheend]

229. Which voters?

Many of us have not yet had a chance to speak and have our say in the nomination. And may I remind you that nobody championed the right of Democratic voters in all states to have a say more than Hillary?

[DanTex]

31. "Judgement and character"? Are you kidding?

She used a private email for convenience. And she's not very tech-savvy. Who cares? It makes no difference whatsoever.

[Dragonfli]

34. Are you claiming these organizations are right wing partisan "witch-hunters? 3 choices-yes-no-evade

The FBI is investigating whether sensitive information that flowed through Clinton’s email server was mishandled. The State Department has acknowledged that some emails included classified information, including at the top-secret level. The inspectors general at the State Department and for U.S. intelligence agencies are separately investigating whether rules or laws were broken.

[synergie]

102. I think he's claiming that the lies told about these investigations are very much being

spread by right wing partisans sources, which you seem to be unable to differentiate from actual news sources.

Evasion is how they keep telling their lies, when they can't find anything.

[Dragonfli]

147. No, I know I can because I don't read partisan sources (why do you and what are they saying?)

I think he's claiming that the lies told about these investigations are very much being
spread by right wing partisans sources, which you seem to be unable to differentiate from actual news sources.
Evasion is how they keep telling their lies, when they can't find anything.

In case you didn't understand my title it refers to the above quote.


I love fiction, be it A good lie Clinton gets caught in and verified as such by her own contrary statements.
Or the bullshit spouted by RW idiots that lie just as much. (I usually only hear those in the GE debates as I don't follow the right wing rags)

I don't believe the RW stuff and only really know the Clinton partisan spin, but I am curious what you are learning on all these righ t wing partisan sources you claim to know so much about.

Why do you follow that trash anyway? I hear you lose IQ points just by reading such garbage.

[cannabis_flower]

195. In case you consider Yahoo News a "partisan source"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/emails-show-nsa-rejected-hillary-clinton-request-for-secure-smartphone/

Or is CBS a partisan news source too?

[Dragonfli]

224. Everything is! Except if it comes from a David Brock Website, How often Must ve be told?

before ve learn ze nu vaks.

repeateadly! and in ze big vay!

[leveymg]

38. Ignore or diminish the significance of this at your mortal peril.

If she is indicted, or simply given a choice to drop out or be prosecuted, her run for the White House is over. And then what are we gong to do? All of us should br doing contingency planning or else face the consequences without a game plan.

[DanTex]

40. "Mortal peril" LOL. Ok, I'll do that.

[grasswire]

117. Thank you.

I respect your opinions very highly.

[leveymg]

124. I see so many outdated talking points on this thread. Where have they been the last couple months?

In many cases, in the time out room.

[grasswire]

127. :-)

Well, it is hard to keep up on everything.

You and I have a particular niche interest in taking the truth wherever it leads. And you are good ballast to my occasional exuberance.

[leveymg]

130. I should skip dessert. Maybe too much ballast ;-)

[rjsquirrel]

154. Mortal peril lol!!! Eom

[NowSam]

7. These stories always get dumped after the primary contest

I have noticed these breaking stories come out in the day after when there are no contests.

[shawn703]

8. If I did this as a government employee, I'd be in prison

It's interesting to see "Democrats" argue for a different set of rules for the rich and powerful.

[Kentonio]

191. That's what makes me so angry. Apparently being a celebrity means the rules no longer apply to you.

There are people who have lost their entire careers (and who don't have millions in the bank to support them) for far less gross breaches of the rules.

[geek tragedy]

10. LOL, the Indictment Fairy will save the day for Bernie, just clap louder! nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. When all you have is a hammer the whole world looks like a nail.

[Tarc]

18. Oh my, "Indictment Fairy"

I'm going to find a good pic to make a meme of that.

[geek tragedy]

23. you have to post it in every email thread if you do! nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Maybe they should write out indictments and put them under their pillows when they go to sleep.

[Politicalboi]

82. I'm sure we'll get the last laugh over this

But continue.

The Queen looks good in Orange.

[BeanMusical]

144. "The Queen looks good in Orange."

Tres chic.

[geek tragedy]

200. you and the Republicans will be bitterly disappointed nt

[Major Nikon]

216. Results...

On Thu Mar 17, 2016, 08:32 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I'm sure we'll get the last laugh over this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1510032

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Way over the top. This is absolutely inappropriate.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 17, 2016, 08:39 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This one doesn't seem any worse, than the one it was in reply to.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: M.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: And Ken Burch wants to know why people are upset.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There will often be irritating comments made during a political campaign. This does not directly attack the candidate. It is, in my opinion, merely a bit of stupid snark and falls under free speech.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is not way over the top. It is stupid and immature but hey this is GD-P. If it were anywhere else I would vote to hide it.

[synergie]

95. It's kind of sad how desperate some are to believe it's not over.

I wonder if the forces behind ratfking such as this are hoping that the Dem convention will catch some of the chaotic rioting planned for Cleveland?

[thartic]

188. The FBI has 100 agents on the investigation

Maybe if she didn't have her own private server (the first to do so, http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/09/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-said-my-predecessors-did-same-thin/), then we wouldn't have our tax dollar wasted on this "witch hunt". Blame the GOP, but this is an FBI investigation. It's not a fairy tale, Bernie even defended her (how many brownie points does he get for that?), she probably won't be indicted, but in the end her "mistake" has probably cost us at least 10 million dollars in FBI resources that could've gone to better use.

[JoePhilly]

198. + 100

[Tarc]

16. Good to see nothing much has changed since I was away

This right-wing talking point just won't give up the ghost.

[seabeyond]

20. FBI is not investigating Clinton. RW are. Meh.... oh. And Sanders supporters. Hoping.

[Dragonfli]

37. Are you claiming these organizations are right wing partisan "witch-hunters? 3 choices-yes-no-evade

The FBI is investigating whether sensitive information that flowed through Clinton’s email server was mishandled. The State Department has acknowledged that some emails included classified information, including at the top-secret level. The inspectors general at the State Department and for U.S. intelligence agencies are separately investigating whether rules or laws were broken.

I take it you believe immunity can be granted by the vague "RW" you refer to rather than the agencies doing the investigating (they are real agencies, google FBI for starters) after not bothering to read the article posted (not to mention keeping up with the news). Your post appears extremely ill-informed. (or should I say "misspoken" in such a way that one's nose grows?)

[seabeyond]

39. You "take it" wrong. The FBI is not investigating Clinton or the other four. The system.

[Dragonfli]

44. Who is responsible for the choice of the system poorly chosen? I also believe you have no basis

to proclaim exactly what or who is being investigated. Unless you are part of the investigative team of one of those agencies, in which case you have broken protocol by even discussing your target(s).

Also noted, you chose option 3. Good Job!

[seabeyond]

45. FBI said they were not investigating Clinton or the other four SOS that practiced email the same way

[Dragonfli]

60. She was involved with practices regarding her server than none of the others had.

I am sure than in regard to the use of private emails that coincide with their practices are not being singled out. Everyone agrees on that (at least all sane people). It is the problem with using one's own private improperly secured server for all of her State Dept. business that is under investigation. A problem quite distressing as well as unique to her.

Let's let them finish their investigation shall we? I certainly will, but I will not spread misinformation that it is some nebulous "right wing" investigation when in fact very real non-partisan agencies are the ones doing the investigating, can you agree to that?

Misinformation is unhelpful when seeking the truth of something, I am sure that we can agree that is true. I have known you to be reasonable in the past.

[Jarqui]

61. "or the other four SOS that practiced email the same way "

Name one other SoS who had a unsecure, unauthorized server at home or kept classified information at their home.

It was ultimately up to Hillary Clinton as SoS (per her non-disclosure agreement) to care for and monitor the status of the information she possessed, to designate it's changing classified status and to act accordingly when it's status changed. Having classified information found on your home computer by the CIA is a criminal act. Bill Clinton's CIA director pled guilty to doing that.

From the top article: "Clinton has said ... that she never sent or received anything that was marked classified at the time."

The Inspector General of the Intelligence Community has depositions written by Intelligence Community agents that say they found information that was classified at the time it was transmitted on Clintons server. That is a criminal act. In a February press conference, the State Department was asked if they disputed the CIA depositions and the State Department said no, they changed the status of the emails to classified after they were advised of the determination by the CIA.

Are they going to indict her before the election? I sincerely doubt it. They'll run out the clock and Obama will pardon her before she's indicted/convicted and/or before he leaves office.

The bad news for Hillary is this scandal will be making news from now until the election. And it's not going to help her in the polls.

[grasswire]

118. you are way, way behind on this

time to do some homework reading

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Too bad...

Your post appears extremely ill-informed

Too bad us plebeians can't be as perspicacious as you and shower others with our wisdom on an anonymous message board.

[Dragonfli]

50. I only have to read the news, you can be as well informed yourself without any special help.

There have been many articles referring to the FBI investigation under way, including information about immunity being granted to a witness, you flatter me sir.

You need only be able to read, No one need "shower you" with anything, unless of course you are in need of a shower, in which case I am sure you are as capable of doing that on your own as you are of reading for yourself.

You chose option 3 it would appear, a very popular option. Bravo!

[synergie]

99. Yes, but to be well informed, you need to have the ability to distinguish between

propaganda and actual verifiable fact. The articles you refer to are not from credible sources, and actual news organizations have addressed the immunity granted to that witness.

You need to not only be able to read, you must also be able to engage in critical thought and learn how to differentiate between works of political fiction masquerading as news and actual news.

After wading through the CON echo chamber and it's many fictions, it's suggested that you shower, lest the vitriol and the lies take root and infect you further. Best hurry now.

[Dragonfli]

141. The New York Times is not a credible source?

That is largely where I get most of my information.

You do not believe it is a verifiable fact that there's an FBI investigation?
As far as the investigations under way, they are very much verifiable facts.

The blackberry stuff in the op (that by the way, I never even addressed), came from Clinton's own released emails, if her emails are not credible, then she has more of a problem than I even thought (thanks to your unverified facts that claim she composes political fiction)
However now that you mention it, it was reported by the times as well as the above article

Just before Hillary Rodham Clinton was sworn in as secretary of state in January 2009, she and her closest aides decided that she should have her own private email address as Mrs. Clinton moved away from the Blackberry address that she had used during her 2008 presidential campaign.

Private email would allow Mrs. Clinton to communicate with people in and out of government, separate from the system maintained at the State Department.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/us/politics/membership-in-clintons-email-domain-is-remembered-as-a-mark-of-status.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

What articles did I refer to? please name them. You can't because I do not read GOP material, nor did I name any articles, so lying is among your "gifts" it would appear

You should at least bother to answer with something other than nonsense and false assumptions, I also noted your own little spin - Rovian in flavor but with a little bit more of a blind partisan salty flavor, please verify these "facts"

After wading through the CON echo chamber and it's many fictions, it's suggested that you shower, lest the vitriol and the lies take root and infect you further. Best hurry now.

I don' do "conservative echo chambers"

You are in spin mode, I get that, damage control, distortion tactics and reality denial is all part of it, and I get that as well, you are just not very good at it.

[synergie]

145. On the emails? The place that had to walk back its stories on the subject due to

getting the facts wrong?

Uh huh, cherry picking stuff and running with the Daily Caller levels of propaganda is really credible.

So after all these email dumps and all these investigations, why no indictment?

Yeah, you're using right wing talking points, and it's kind of sad that you don't seem to be aware of that, I guess when it's filtered through the intercept, and various other Bernie propaganda sites, it's been "washed" right? The Rovian flavor is one you're quite familiar with, given how you spice your posts with it all right, it's not coming from me, nor is the blind partisan thing mine at all, that's also yours. Anything that's pro-Bernie is delicious to you, and anti-Clinton, no matter how much Rovian Spice and Bernie Salt it's laden with.

You sure do echo chambers, you're in projection mode. It must be the shock of having to deal with posts that have been silenced for so long, with the echo chamber no longer being so friendly to the Ratfking and the CDS.

I agree, i suck at those tactics you projected onto me, I lack the skill you BSers have in those things, I merely point out reality, which I don't require to be distorted, and I have no damage to control, reality is pretty much in my favor. Facts are nice, spinning Rovian nonsense and projecting it, regardless of your skill at denial, distortion, and disinformation, doesn't change them.

I get it, you've been Berned, and you must hold on to the hope that the Rovian, Right wing attempt to create yet another scandal will work, it's the only hope you have when the math, the votes, and the rhetoric are just so stacked against you. It's just that no matter how good you are at these things, they don't actually change anything in reality.


I thank you for the compliment, unintentional as it might have been, I truly do lack your skills at distortion and denial of reality, but perhaps your desperate spin and projection has blinded you to the fact that I have no need to engage in you favorite pastimes.

[Dragonfli]

148. However you gotta spin it, I know you have a job to do, keep working hard

An FBI investigation and the released (by her) text of emails are not talking points but facts.

Well, given her honesty quotient perhaps emails of her authorship are not facts (I will concede that point)

[BeanMusical]

149. +1

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. "Keep hope alive." (REDUX)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. She isn't going to be indicted and we the voters have found the Vermont independent wanting...

She isn't going to be indicted and we the voters have found the Vermont independent wanting in every way imaginable.

[Loudestlib]

107. How did voters find Hillary in 08?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

114. They found her to have run a 50/50 race, actually a bit better:

Popular vote Obama- 17,584,692 (47%) Clinton- (48%) 17,857,501


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html

The Vermont independent is getting obliterated:

Clinton - 8,651, 128 (59%) Sanders 6,111, 198 (41%)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[DemocratSinceBirth]

134. Even if you exclude those two states she ran a competitive race.

If you want to use the NBA as an analogue the Vermont independent is about as competitive as the 76ers are this year.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

138. She will end the primary season with an overwhelming popular vote and pledged delegate lead.

That is as certain as the Philadelphia Seventy Sixers having the worst record in the NBA Eastern Conference.

[cheapdate]

25. OMG! This is huge! The shoe has dropped!

[Faux pas]

29. Kicketty Kickin'

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Not going to help your flailing candidate...

[hrmjustin]

32. Don't get your hopes up over this little tidbit of news.

[Chichiri]

35. Oh for . . . It's OVER, okay? It's DONE. She's won it.

Vote all you want, support Bernie and spread his message all you want, but there is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT in besmirching Hillary in this way any longer.

[Codeine]

58. NOTHING IS OVER UNTIL WE SAY IT IS!

[berni_mccoy]

74. If you don't like hearing it now, your going to grow very weary of it

When she's the nominee. At least here the facts are reported. But what do you think Trump will do with it? The facts are damning enough. Smears from Drumpf are going to be much much worse.

[Chichiri]

101. There are no facts. It's a non issue. nt

[stonecutter357]

41. email and stuff

[MGKrebs]

46. First of all, the private server has nothing to do with it.

Everybody in government has a non-secure .gov account and if HRC had used that instead of her private server the security issue would still be exactly the same. She had a private server so she could screen her emails before somebody like Judicial Watch got their hands on them. The security issue is separate from that.

The issue of the security violations is still unclear. IF there are hundreds or even thousands of security violations with those messages, there are dozens or hundreds of people on the other end of those emails. We have to ask ourselves, did none of them ever raise a red flag about communicating secrets like that? Did they knowingly communicate secrets like this? All of them? For years? Are they in jeopardy too? It really seems unlikely.

However, I think it's possible that if there were violations it worked like this: Someone was responsible for reviewing her emails, and consolidating or summarizing them and then passing then on to her. She probably got hundreds of emails a day and did not read every one of them. She depended on this person to filter for her. She only would read messages from certain known senders. These forwarded messages would not have necessarily be marked appropriately since they were second-hand summaries. So HRC would not necessarily have known there was secret info in there and even if she thought so she has plausible deniability.

So I don't see an indictment coming, but SOMEONE might be in some trouble. But Petraeus did much worse and only got probation and a fine. So there's that.

PS. Edit to add, I voted for Bernie.

[vintx]

55. Why do you think Pagliano got an immunity deal? nt

[MGKrebs]

59. I'm not clear on what his job was beyond

"setting up the server", but assuming he saw some emails at some point he may not even know that things he might have seen were classified. I would ask for immunity in the same circumstances.

[grasswire]

129. he got an immunity deal BEFORE there were more email dumps.

This is a dynamic story, not static.

[NCTraveler]

49. Right wing deception and desperation.

They got nothing. I do appreciate the transparency this provides here.

Here is a meme for you. From now on I'm simply calling this "Going Gowdy."

[Zambero]

53. Next...

[Babel_17]

57. Michael Biesecker, Associated Press, good source

http://bigstory.ap.org/content/michael-biesecker

Some more context: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/us/politics/membership-in-clintons-email-domain-is-remembered-as-a-mark-of-status.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

As to the OP's linked article, I note this. "the specific reasons Clinton’s requests were rebuffed are being kept secret by the State Department."

Well, that settles that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. Please see Post 24

Thank you in advance.

[Babel_17]

65. And as to the truth of the matter ...

What? It can be crickets in the primary, but the GE would be different.

Thankfully though ...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. Please see Post 63

Thank you in advance.

[Babel_17]

71. Please see the TOS regarding trolling

Thank you in advance.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. I believe it's a violation of DU rules to suggest another poster is a troll...

Thank you in advance.

[Babel_17]

84. Here you go, it's not a matter of belief

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. Were you doing that for your own edification when you suggested I was a troll?

Thank you in advance.

[Babel_17]

92. lol, nice try!

The last word is yours, if you want it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

93. Have a nice evening.

[John Poet]

164. They didn't suggest you were a troll.

They suggested you were trolling.


And YEAH--- making the same response over and over and over
is TROLLISH behavior.

But I haven't called you a troll, either.

"Hate the sin, love the sinner" don'tcha know.

[berni_mccoy]

64. What is secret are the specific vulnerabilities

There is no doubt the general reason was a security risk.

[Babel_17]

70. And maybe competence was referred to, as well as trusting people to stick to regulations

Like the contents of the transcripts from the Goldman Sachs speeches, one can only imagine. Much awaits the less informed general electorate, when it becomes time for the GE. Will they be hearing bleatings about Democratic Socialism, or the endless cavalcade of reports that exist, and are forthcoming, regarding Secretary Clinton?

I'd prefer to be explaining Democratic Socialism, rather than the other. One way or the other, the voters will decide. Hopefully in the future they'll be deciding in a world changed by campaign finance reform.

[grasswire]

123. yeah, that is curious

very curious

[Recursion]

66. I don't think you understand your own post

The secure BB would have been for the classified network.

[berni_mccoy]

68. I think you miss the point...

She wanted that access for convenience. When she wasn't granted that access, for security reasons, she went around it.

[Babel_17]

72. And thus there is material for an article

[Recursion]

89. No, that's what I mean: you misunderstand your own post

It's two separate email addresses. The server has nothing to do with the problem; even on a government server classified should never have gone to that address.

[Aerows]

88. I've administrated multiple mail systems

I'd rather flip burgers than be responsible for running a single RIM server.

Once.

Do it once.

Van down by the river?

Yes, please, if the only recourse is administrating a RIM server.

P.S. - I didn't set it up, I was called in to clean it up after the fact.

[Recursion]

106. I have turned down high-paying jobs because they involved running a BES

Not "job", mind you: "jobs".

Why the US Government is so intent on keeping RIM alive is beyond me. And now the Indian government is moving to them.

[Aerows]

109. Oh, I completely understand

Sanity is more important. Just NO.

Hi, Recursion, I'm Aerows. I'm moved to India and will be making several figures and then lose my goddamn mind three months afterwards. Would you like to have lunch?

[Babel_17]

110. I actually sort of remember Karl Rove being involved in keeping Blackberry around

Blackberry was having problems and was going to become unavailable for at least a while but Rove and his associates were head over heels with using theirs. So the government weighed in somehow. Any of you old hands remember more than that? Feel free to correct what I got wrong.

[Aerows]

111. I remember

and I avoid anything to do with it, remembering anything about how it functions and pretty much have so much amnesia that I'm not even sure what we are talking about anymore.

Is that a squirrel?

[Babel_17]

132. Squirrel? Where?

[Aerows]

120. One thing I have learned `

is that you have much better success with them on having a lower scaled pipe in, with corresponding fibre channel/10+10+10 arrays and then a fast pipe out.

The biggest problem I have found is that the journaling/process/transaction makes it easy if you can just pump it out in the front, and let the back have a delay to do your archiving/journaling/transactions cost.

Nobody gripes once they get an email - they do gripe about not getting it at all. That's what they do gripe about - is when all of them get clogged in the pipe and you have an MTA so full you are backed up and your server is clogged.

Slower pipe in, fast multiple array, guaranteed delivery and fast pipe tends to lead to happier customers.

And that is the antithesis of ever single server other than a DB server.

But a mail server is a DB server, so the confusion is expected.

[Uncle Joe]

67. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, berni_mccoy.

[renate]

73. as someone only a couple of decades younger than she is...

... I can understand how she would have left the task of ensuring computer security up to people whose, like, job it was to know about security vulnerabilities.

I'm (obviously) a Bernie supporter but I think blaming her for where her server was and for its hackability is really unfair. I really doubt that anybody went to her and said "Well, Secretary Clinton, if you use a Blackberry and put a server in your house, it'll all be super insecure, so whaddaya say?" and she replied "Tra la, sounds good to me!"

My concern is that this will be one more Benghazi-type thing for Republicans to attack her with. But as far as I'm concerned, I think it's unfair to blame a nearly 70-year-old person personally for not knowing about computer security. (And sure, I suppose she's responsible as the person at the top. But realistically, I don't think that's fair.)

[MaggieD]

77. Nobody cares

Try to deal with that.

[NWCorona]

90. I agree with you that a majority of Dems don't care and I'm fine with that

That doesn't mean this is nothing tho

[Waiting For Everyman]

108. Nobody cared about Watergate for more than a year.

Point is, you're right, public interest doesn't always indicate significance, or lack thereof.

[nadinbrzezinski]

113. You beat me to it

at this point I only talk about this with folks OFF This site that care... but we all keep coming back to Watergate.

[grasswire]

119. the Watergate moment will happen...

...if Obama has to decide whether to save Hillary or allow a prosecution to proceed. If he decides to save her, Comey will resign and the shit will hit the fan. Think Saturday Night Massacre.

[nadinbrzezinski]

139. Funny, I am watching for her lawyer to resign

think John Dean. Of course Dean was public and this might be sub-rosa for all we know.

[840high]

170. Comey has impressed me as

a decent guy.

[JonLeibowitz]

182. Unfortunately he is completely wrong-headed on govt. policy for strong encryption.

[840high]

169. Many care. Try to deal with that.

[grasswire]

121. heck, I wouldn't object to them cutting a deal and allowing Martin O'Malley to..

..proceed as a candidate. Anything to stop this train wreck that is likely to bring impeachment papers on Inauguration Day.

[UglyGreed]

105. Most of Hillary's supporter will just

brush it off. All I know if people or groups are after me most of my life I would not give them more firepower to use against me and play things tight to the vest. If I did allow this to happen I would blame myself for being so arrogant or stupid.

[Lizzie Poppet]

116. The cult figure cannot err. The cult figure is always right.

The cult figure loves you. Praise the cult figure.

[rjsquirrel]

159. Bernie fits the bill of particulars you describe

much better than Sec. Clinton.

Seriously silly.

[Lizzie Poppet]

163. M'kay.

[Amimnoch]

220. Very interesting. How many Hillary supporters have referred to her as a prophet, or Gandhi?

Conversely I have found others who most certainly do hold those beliefs:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280148370

He is up there. Way up there.
Ghandi up there. Mandela up there.

Or holy Prophet Sanders:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280142491

But, yeah.. we're the ones that exhibit cult like behavior..

[grasswire]

122. but remember the magnitude of the prize that drives Hillary.

Riches beyond our wildest imagination. Power to attack anywhere in the world, with the world's most powerful military. Deals to be made. And revenge on that enemies list she is reported to keep.

[TheFarseer]

126. No one cares

There's a million reasons why Bernie is a better candidate/president and no one cares. I wish I knew why.

[grasswire]

131. you care, and I care, and it's not over.

Keep fighting.

Remember what Paul Wellstone's motto was. "Stand up! Keep fighting!"

[silenttigersong]

136. Yes you have to believe in a fairy because Clinton is above the Law right?

1. She used her own email server, which prevented State from having access to everything she typed
2. Classified computers do not talk to non-classified computer systems. For Top Secret information, which is often born classified, she would have had to originate the email chain herself, or her own staff did, because you cannot forward such information from a classified computer system. This is obviously not information that was deemed harmless at the time.
3. When you leave State, you give up two piles of emails. Those you deem personal, and those you deem State’s business. State reviews both piles and either agrees or disagrees with your assessment. Hillary skipped that who process. She provided them exactly zero documents upon her exit. After more than a year, then she printed out what she felt State should see, and withheld the rest. As this latest data dump shows, she withheld emails that had Top Secret info from State.
4. She backed up her private email server to the Cloud, which gave an unbelievable number of people access to Top Secret information. Again, we are not talking about a disagreement about minor things being deemed confidential. This is Top Secret Human Intelligence, which she would have been well aware of at the time.
5. She directed staff to cut off the classified heading of a document so it could be sent via unsecured fax. That, alone, means jail time to the Average Joe Who Is Not Clinton
6. I seriously doubt that Clinton’s grocery list falls within the category of information so Top Secret it cannot even be released to the Senate. They have specifically referenced SAP HUMINT, which is obviously not her grocery list.

[ebayfool]

146. I remember when Prez Obama had to fight to use a Blackberry ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/us/politics/23berry.html?_r=0

snip/

“The president has a BlackBerry through a compromise that allows him to stay in touch with senior staff and a small group of personal friends,” said Robert Gibbs, his spokesman, “in a way that use will be limited and that the security is enhanced to ensure his ability to communicate.”

Third, messages from the president will be designed so they cannot be forwarded.

While lawyers and the Secret Service balked at Mr. Obama’s initial requests to allow him to keep his BlackBerry, they acquiesced as long as the president — and those corresponding with him — agreed to strict rules. And he had to agree to use a specially made device, which must be approved by national security officials.

All of Mr. Obama’s e-mail messages remain subject to the Presidential Records Act, which could ultimately put his words into the public domain, as well as under the threat of subpoenas. That was a caveat, aides said, that did not dissuade the president.


Clinton chief of staff Cheryl Mills knew Hillary couldn't be using a standard issue Blackberry, because she specifically asked for a "Blackberry-like device".

from your link:
February 2009

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/emails-clinton-sought-secure-smartphone-rebuffed-nsa-202524970--politics.html

snip/

Clinton’s desire for a secure “Blackberry-like” device, like that provided to President Barack Obama, is recounted in a series of February 2009 exchanges between high-level officials at the State Department and NSA.

Mills also asked about waivers provided during the Bush administration to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for her staff to use Blackberries in their secure offices. But the NSA had phased out such waivers due to security concerns.

Which begs the question, the staffers she communicated with - were they using unsecure devices? Yeah.

snip/

The department’s designated NSA liaison, whose name was redacted from the documents, expressed concerns about security vulnerabilities inherent with using Blackberry devices for secure communications or in secure areas. However, the specific reasons Clinton’s requests were rebuffed are being kept secret by the State Department.

And the kicker:

snip/

The following month, in March 2009, Clinton began using private email accounts accessed through her Blackberry to exchange messages with her top aides.



So she knew, Knew, it was rejected. And set up her own server to circumvent her restrictions.

She wanted what the President had, and when refused - did it with her own Blackberry and the private server to contain the emails anyway.

Sheer hubris, yes.

[grasswire]

181. She betrayed Obama in many ways. nt

[Babel_17]

233. Thank you for that useful bit of history (K&R)

And thanks for those to the point snips.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

152. I think the Secretary of State and former SOSs shouldn't have had private email servers

With all the worry about terrorism and cyber attacks. Why on earth was this allowed?

[ebayfool]

174. Only Clinton had a private server. Powell and Rice did not.

Powell was found to have (iirc) about 12 emails in his regular email accounts as opposed to tens of thousands on Clinton's private server. In her home.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/clinton-spins-immigration-emails/

snip/

As for her use of personal emails to conduct official business, Clinton made a few comments that distorted the facts:

Clinton said she went “above and beyond” in complying with a State Department request to turn over work-related emails, saying, “I didn’t have to turn over anything.” However, federal regulations and department guidelines required her to preserve important work emails before she left office, and she did not.
Twice Clinton said that previous “secretaries of state” did the “same thing,” using the plural “secretaries” to defend her use of her personal email account. But the State Department has said only Colin Powell used a personal email account for official business.
Twice Clinton said that she had “one device” for sending emails, explaining she is “not the most technically capable person and wanted to make it as easy as possible.” But, in addition to her Blackberry, she occasionally used an iPad to send emails, copies of her publicly released emails show.


Why on earth was this allowed? She allowed herself.

[xloadiex]

156. WikiLeaks today released

a fully searchable database of the Clinton emails

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/

[nadinbrzezinski]

161. Thanks, becuase the State Dept FOIA web page IS A PAIN to use

[NWCorona]

162. +1!

[840high]

172. ty

[rjsquirrel]

157. You have to really squint to see what you say

is there.

They didn't give her a blackberry so she's running a rogue state department.

Lol.

Really, lol.

Benghazi!

[BeanMusical]

158. Kick and R

[Historic NY]

160. And Obama could only have one that was stripped down....

President Barack Obama can't play Angry Birds on his smartphone. No Words With Friends, no Candy Crush, and no Texas Hold'em. And he can blame the NSA.

A retired National Security Agency technical director said Thursday that the government spy shop tasked him with custom-fitting a Blackberry for the president. That meant stripping away every built-in feature that a hacker might exploit.

'You try to get rid of any functionality that's not really required,' Richard George told CNN Money. 'Every piece of functionality is an opportunity for the adversary.'

So that means the leader of the free world isn't free to while away his hours crushing pigs with catapulting birds, or trying to come up with a 70-point play on a triple-word-score box.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2636759/No-West-Wing-Angry-Birds-no-Oval-Office-selfies-Obamas-custom-Blackberry-stripped-much.html

[NWCorona]

165. I remember reading about that at the time

I use to belong to a tech forum and that went into detail about his phone and why it was a BlackBerry and not an android or the iPhone that he wanted.

The fact that she used an off the shelf iPad to communicate with her server is a big no no.

[Historic NY]

166. I didn't see that in the article....her system was never compromised.

A former aide to Hillary Clinton has turned over to the F.B.I. computer security logs from Mrs. Clinton’s private server, records that showed no evidence of foreign hacking, according to people close to a federal investigation into Mrs. Clinton’s emails.

The security logs bolster Mrs. Clinton’s assertion that her use of a personal email account to conduct State Department business while she was the secretary of state did not put American secrets into the hands of hackers or foreign governments.

The former aide, Bryan Pagliano, began cooperating with federal agents last fall, according to interviews with a federal law enforcement official and others close to the case. Mr. Pagliano described how he set up the server in Mrs. Clinton’s home in Chappaqua, N.Y., and according to two of the people, he provided agents the security logs. The law enforcement official described the interview as routine. Most of those close to the case spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the continuing investigation.

Mrs. Clinton’s work-related emails as secretary of state, which have been made public as part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, show that she received spam emails intended to try to lure her into clicking a malicious link. Those emails, known as “spear phishing” attempts, were traced to Russia, but it was not clear from the emails alone whether anyone clicked on those links or whether the security was compromised.

Mr. Pagliano told the agents that nothing in his security logs suggested that any intrusion occurred. Security logs keep track of, among other things, who accessed the network and when. They are not definitive, and forensic experts can sometimes spot sophisticated hacking that is not apparent in the logs, but computer security experts view logs as key documents when detecting hackers.

Mrs. Clinton’s campaign reiterated Mr. Pagliano’s information on Thursday. “We’re not aware of any evidence whatsoever that the server was hacked,” said Brian Fallon, a campaign spokesman.

Mrs. Clinton’s exclusive use of a private email server prompted an F.B.I. investigation into whether she or her aides mishandled classified information. Of 30,068 emails released by the State Department, 22 have now been classified by the State Department as “top secret,” 65 are classified as “secret,” and 2,028 have received the lowest classification level of “confidential.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/us/politics/security-logs-of-hillary-clintons-email-server-are-sai

[NWCorona]

171. How can you speak in absolutes when

There is no indication of the scope or duration of the logs. Or that this isn't coming from the FBI but some anonymous source. Or the fact that Brian only handed the first server. Most people don't realize that there's at least two servers at play. Hillary contracted with an unauthorized and unsecured server farm to host her server and an actual off the shelf server this time. The FBI has both BTW.

[Historic NY]

173. How can you accuse when you don't know yourself......

EOM............

[NWCorona]

175. Where did I say with certainty that she was hacked?

[DemocracyDirect]

185. As an IT person with 30 years experience.

A server can be hacked and nobody would ever know.
If a server is compromised all evidence of hacking can be removed.
Network watchdog devices can be used to discover any unusual traffic all the way to logging all traffic.
Even then any network traffic used by the hacker can be encrypted.

A compromised server is a nightmare for people like me that guard IP secrets.
Our best defense is to contain the problem as much as possible.

[MFM008]

176. focusing on the wrong person

She wont be found guilty AGAIN of anything.

The person your spleen should be directed at is TRUMP.

[thartic]

189. guilty AGAIN?

She was found guilty of something before?

[Lil Missy]

179. *yawn* Another witch hunt promoted by a sanders supporter.

[ucrdem]

183. this just in . . .

[grossproffit]

186. +1 Bernie is a real cutey.

[George II]

190. Hillary Clinton will still win the Democratic nomination and be elected President.

[potone]

192. OK, I agree that what she did was wrong and reckless.

But I also don't see why they couldn't work out a way to get her a secure Blackberry. Is the technology really so outdated in the State Department? If so, they need to update it. A Secretary of State has to spend so much time traveling that it does not seem unreasonable to me that she would want to have an easily portable device to carry with her at all times, rather than be limited to accessing emails through her office computer or having to lug around a laptop everywhere she went.

[NWCorona]

204. Hillary had appropriating the necessary funds to update

The states IT systems but didn't bother to spend any during her tenure.

[PonyUp]

193. How will Hillary respond?

[cannabis_flower]

194. In case some consider Yahoo News a "partisan source"

here's a CBS News link:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/emails-show-nsa-rejected-hillary-clinton-request-for-secure-smartphone/

[randome]

196. You must have one hell of a headache by now.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[JoePhilly]

197. And a few more pro-Bernie OPs gets pushed a little deeper down the GDP stack.

This is at least the third OP on this exact topic ... with almost the exact same bolded text.

Meanwhile, pro-Bernie OPs sink link stones to the bottom of GDP.

Great strategy.

[mmonk]

207. This thread was the first on the new info and isn't

a Bernie thread.

[JoePhilly]

208. There are at least 3 OPs on this today.

And my simple point is that every time a Bernie supporter posts one of these anti-Hillary OPs, the also push the pro Bernie OPs down the stack.

Just look at all the replys to this silliness. Pro Bernie OPs sink like stones as a result.

Wonder why the media doesn't talk about Bernie? His supporters don't talk about him either. They are to busy talking about Hillary too

[mmonk]

217. Yeah, we're making all this shit up for political reasons.

We are vermin, shit, and extremists I suppose. Or maybe you can enlighten us on how all this is going to go?

[JoePhilly]

219. Trying to diminish Hillary does little to ...

... elevate Bernie.

And I don't think you or other Bernie supporters are any of the childish names you suggested.

And actually, I explained what needed to happen and "how this is all going to go" back in 2011. Repeatedly actually.

At the time, many on DU were running around demanding a primary opponent for Obama. They did not have an actual candidate mind you, they just wanted Obama to face an opponent because he's awful or he tricked them, or something.

I tried to tell those folks that they needed to turn their focus to 2016. They needed to get busy developing an array of alternative candidates that they thought would be "sufficiently liberal". And that if they did not ... they'd be spending 2015-2016 complaining about Hillary Clinton.

Did they get busy and develop an array of acceptable candidates? Nope. They continued to complain about Obama and then, late in 2014, they started trying to draft Warren to be their savior.

She declined. So Bernie agreed to carry the torch for them. But be clear on this ... Bernie stepped up only because there simply was no one else.

The perpetually disgruntled have not done the hard work of developing that array of alternatives. They've actually been complaining since the day Obama took office almost 8 years ago.

They wasted those 8 years. And now they expect Bernie to suddenly light the country on fire ... but instead of talking up Bernie, amplifying his message ... they spend the vast majority of their time doing what? Attacking Hillary.

Its not a very effective political strategy.

[berni_mccoy]

202. OP Updated.

[fredamae]

203. What Happens

IF HRC prevails and then right after the convention...but close to Nov 8-she is Indicted? What happens then?
If she goes on to be elected.....and we haven't flipped Congress...Do you believe she will NOT be Impeached early in 2017?
This scenario may well explain the "drip, drip, drip" of this scandal. No matter the outcome...she IS being Formally investigated.

[randome]

205. Then you wake up from your fever dream and start to plan your day.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[fredamae]

206. Good to know Sensible Solutions are Afoot n/t

[NWCorona]

209. This info puts this article from last year in a new light

"The personal BlackBerry that Hillary Clinton used as secretary of state was likely much less secure than the State Department-issued devices used by her staff and subordinates, according to knowledgeable former officials and executives.
And the security risks were magnified because Clinton used her personal BlackBerry on travel in foreign countries where State Department employees are routinely cautioned about the use of mobile devices.

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The personal BlackBerry that Hillary Clinton used as secretary of state was likely much less secure than the State Department-issued devices used by her staff and subordinates, according to knowledgeable former officials and executives.

And the security risks were magnified because Clinton used her personal BlackBerry on travel in foreign countries where State Department employees are routinely cautioned about the use of mobile devices"


A POLITICO review of press pool photos turned up instances of Clinton using her Blackberry in Vietnam, Brazil and South Korea.

The risk of targeted theft of an official’s data is greatest in nations with telecoms that are owned or largely controlled by the government, said Martin Libicki, a cybersecurity expert and senior scientist at the Rand Corporation. That’s because state-aligned hackers could pull any unencrypted data, such as the metadata connected with a phone call, straight off the cell towers."




Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/hillary-clintons-personal-blackberry-less-secure-116200#ixzz43AXS9FdM

[berni_mccoy]

215. You should write an OP on this. Definitely dangerous handling of State Information

in light of these recent revelations.

[NWCorona]

237. I thought about it but it will only fall on deaf ears

I'm just gonna let let play out behind the scenes. Regardless it doesn't look good considering the FBI is trying to GeoPosition the handheld devices to the server access logs. Then there's that hacker that was just extradited to the US. That's not a coincidence.

I don't know what will happen but I do know that this isn't nothing.

[Skwmom]

210. Obama has the final say and I think he's already spoken. n/t

[NWCorona]

211. Yes he and the DOJ does have the final say

It will be interesting if Hillary does get indicted and what her supporter's will have to say.

[mmonk]

212. Presidential pardon or refusal to indict?

[berni_mccoy]

214. Actually the voters do. And if FBI recommends indictment and no charges come out of DoJ

What do you think the voters will do come November?

[Vinca]

225. I don't think the POTUS is allowed to decide who gets charged and who doesn't.

For obvious reasons. If he was allowed to do that, the Nixon years might have turned out differently.

[Babel_17]

222. It's being denied, then going ahead anyway, that looks like it has caught the media's attention

'We were politely told to shut up and color'

I'm guessing other people remember those conversations differently. Though currently restrained from commenting, that won't last forever for those working for government on this. The lid is still on the pot, but it's rattling, and people can hear it.

Might be nothing of serious consequence there, but people will be seeing the proof in that pudding before election day.

[Nailzberg]

226. And yet the FBI can't break the encryption on an iPhone.

[ucrdem]

232. Thread win.

[NWCorona]

236. The FBI can actually

They just want to set legal precedent.

[WillyT]

230. K & R !!!

[hrmjustin]

234. My updated response.

[felix_numinous]

235. Running someone this vulnerable against someone like Trump

is unconscionable. Holy shit people.