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So what do you think about Bill Clinton posing with man with ballot? (Original Post) madfloridian Mar 2016 OP
I think that it is clear evidence of a crime awake Mar 2016 #1
put his sorry ass in prison. He can visit some of the black men he put there. roguevalley Mar 2016 #125
Clear evidence for sure. Merryland Mar 2016 #134
Petition for the arrest and prosecution of Bill Clinton for election violations ---> Petrushka Mar 2016 #138
I think Bill's privilege is showing eom dragonfly301 Mar 2016 #2
...And what the unholy fuck is this?! VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #3
Somebody wants a picture leftynyc Mar 2016 #5
To be fair, Bill was rallying outside one of the polling places before entering. retrowire Mar 2016 #7
With a bullhorn. So TIRED of this cheating CREEP. AzDar Mar 2016 #9
They don't care, cheating is fine as long as the Queen does it Politicalboi Mar 2016 #34
There are laws against this kind of thing, not that the Clintons care about laws. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #12
Then gather your evidence and present leftynyc Mar 2016 #97
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #105
LOL - more indictments leftynyc Mar 2016 #109
they could paper a prison cell with them roguevalley Mar 2016 #126
They couldn't even cover leftynyc Mar 2016 #129
What IS the former president marions ghost Mar 2016 #16
No - doesn't bother me leftynyc Mar 2016 #100
He held a campaign rally with a bullhorn within 150 feet of a polling place. (eom) eomer Mar 2016 #135
I'm no election law expert, but VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #22
Depends....I don't think this voter did anything wrong. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #82
Oh no, not saying that at all. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #83
Laws exist for a reason Kittycat Mar 2016 #86
What EXACTLY was unlawful leftynyc Mar 2016 #92
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #108
Electioneering Kittycat Mar 2016 #120
He was campaigning outside of a polling place - against the 150 ft rule. jillan Mar 2016 #24
Then gather your evidence leftynyc Mar 2016 #29
We are on a message board. We are doing what people do on message boards. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #58
If you really think a crime was leftynyc Mar 2016 #62
that's your opinion. I can complain all I want. You will not shut me up. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #64
Knock yourself out leftynyc Mar 2016 #94
Sorry, but this is a strange comment. MoonchildCA Mar 2016 #80
Public pressure wont do shit leftynyc Mar 2016 #95
What you fail to understand is that it's hubris like this from the Clintons CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #87
If a crime was committed leftynyc Mar 2016 #96
No, it's not a waste of time Oilwellian Mar 2016 #91
Why aren't YOU registering a leftynyc Mar 2016 #93
So what? leftynyc Mar 2016 #4
The implication is that a powerful man's presence has influence. nt retrowire Mar 2016 #6
Let's hang them both leftynyc Mar 2016 #10
The lunacy you speak of is in the total denial that there are problems. madfloridian Mar 2016 #21
Then gather your evidence leftynyc Mar 2016 #26
I just posted a picture. Think about it. Perhaps the voters who waited in line will do something. madfloridian Mar 2016 #31
So if you saw Bill leftynyc Mar 2016 #38
If I waited in line outside a polling place for an hour while that asshole was doing a photo op tularetom Mar 2016 #81
Were only people who were voting for one candidate delayed? onenote Mar 2016 #84
What the fuck does that have to do with anything? tularetom Mar 2016 #85
Well, there does seem to be an assumption in these posts that one candidate was prejudiced onenote Mar 2016 #88
It could be that internal data Geronimoe Mar 2016 #133
LOL - you think you would have leftynyc Mar 2016 #90
You totally missed the point not that I'm surprised tularetom Mar 2016 #121
That's even funnier leftynyc Mar 2016 #124
There are videos of voters complaining they can't get in to vote Oilwellian Mar 2016 #99
Then THEY need to register a complaint leftynyc Mar 2016 #101
so when a Republican doesn't get charged with a crime does that mean no crime was committed? liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #32
Yawn leftynyc Mar 2016 #39
He clearly was hoping for the voters to be influenced by his presence. He knows the laws. bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #43
I'm not hanging anyone. retrowire Mar 2016 #37
No - I don't think it means anything leftynyc Mar 2016 #42
He wasn't intimidating him he was pursuing them! bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #46
Chasing them down? leftynyc Mar 2016 #52
They were roped off and couldn't get to the voting booth Oilwellian Mar 2016 #102
Then the police should ALREADY be leftynyc Mar 2016 #107
No, I'm not calling anyone ninnies either. retrowire Mar 2016 #55
Let's please Politicalboi Mar 2016 #40
Yeah Bill is just spending time UglyGreed Mar 2016 #18
good one! liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #33
He's probably hanging out alright Politicalboi Mar 2016 #45
Then you shouldn't have any trouble leftynyc Mar 2016 #48
That's not the point, morals and respect UglyGreed Mar 2016 #57
No - that is the point leftynyc Mar 2016 #60
Spare nothing UglyGreed Mar 2016 #63
Look at the people roped off and can't get into the building to vote Oilwellian Mar 2016 #111
Where are the pictures that nobody leftynyc Mar 2016 #115
The Boston Globe covered the story & provided a link to an online petition . . . Petrushka Mar 2016 #137
Unimpactful, ultimately. Orsino Mar 2016 #8
I wonder if the voters who couldn't get in to vote because of his entourage... madfloridian Mar 2016 #14
exactly. Good question. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #61
damning but not as much as the bullhorn pictures GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #11
I don't like this, I don't like him in the polling place. Agschmid Mar 2016 #13
I'm not fine with him outside the door with a bullhorn. madfloridian Mar 2016 #17
I am. Agschmid Mar 2016 #36
But Bill isn't just a regular Clinton supporter out there with a bullhorn. Svafa Mar 2016 #66
Nothing will come of this. jalan48 Mar 2016 #15
"Feel the Bern" somebody yelled marions ghost Mar 2016 #25
If Mass law states no one can be within 150 feet of a polling place that is not a voter, a poll jillan Mar 2016 #19
Not at all what Mass law says onenote Mar 2016 #89
If it's inside a polling place, I think it should be evidence for a case Armstead Mar 2016 #20
Doesn't look like 150 ft to me. nt TBF Mar 2016 #23
Criminal. kath Mar 2016 #27
I think he just made that guys year. Possibly. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #28
Yes, anything goes to get a pic with the Big Dog. madfloridian Mar 2016 #41
Yeah, Clinton hasn't gotten tens and tens of millions of progressives to the polls. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #53
And where's the media????? Politicalboi Mar 2016 #30
Just another example of "The Clinton Way of Doing Business." Skwmom Mar 2016 #35
If thats a ballot its got an awful lot of writing on it..... Historic NY Mar 2016 #44
Mine (Massachusetts) had a lot, too. A lot of Write In spaces for ward committee members. valerief Mar 2016 #56
I'm sure this voter will be arrested for bringing his ballot outside, because it's against valerief Mar 2016 #47
Maybe Hillary cut the tags out of his clothes and dropped him off? n/t PonyUp Mar 2016 #49
Don't care eom rjsquirrel Mar 2016 #50
I find this "so what"ing from Clinton supporters amusing angrychair Mar 2016 #51
+1000000 liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #69
Some are of the opinion that he broke the law. eom Cleita Mar 2016 #54
Even if it doesn't constitute a crime loyalsister Mar 2016 #122
I can't disagree with that. eom Cleita Mar 2016 #128
Bill Clinton is still a sleezy bastard. Entitled all the way. haikugal Mar 2016 #59
Free speech is against the law now? itsrobert Mar 2016 #65
That's a strange thing to say. madfloridian Mar 2016 #67
Yes, if that "free speech" is campaigning within 150 feet of a polling place. nt Svafa Mar 2016 #68
Does the constitution have an exception to free speech? itsrobert Mar 2016 #71
There are election laws. Don't pretend to be ignorant of Svafa Mar 2016 #72
But you do agree it would fail in courts? itsrobert Mar 2016 #74
Not at all. Breaking an election law is breaking the law. Now if someone wants Svafa Mar 2016 #75
Bill looks good! And your OP reminds me of the noncontroversy in the 14th msanthrope Mar 2016 #70
Imagine the 3 of them back in the WH! Peregrine Took Mar 2016 #73
No politicians or teams in the polling place! No flip-flopping of exit poll results! highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #76
If Cornel West was doing that for Bernie he'd have been arrested Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #77
that guy's expression reminds me of LiberalElite Mar 2016 #78
It's clearly another example of madamesilverspurs Mar 2016 #79
Where I live you can't even wear a campaign T shirt or button in the polling place. CharlotteVale Mar 2016 #98
Same here...and no campaign posters. madfloridian Mar 2016 #103
Inspriation for how to do campaign dirty tricks and election manipulation. nt Todays_Illusion Mar 2016 #104
It stinks to high heaven noiretextatique Mar 2016 #106
What's the state election law say about non-candidates cheerleading at polling places? LonePirate Mar 2016 #110
This was in another thread... madfloridian Mar 2016 #112
Was this in MA? I thought he never entered a polling place. If that is the case, Paper Roses Mar 2016 #113
There a lot of pics around of him inside the polling place. madfloridian Mar 2016 #114
Short video of him inside the polling place. madfloridian Mar 2016 #119
It's not per se illegal for a non-voter to be inside a polling place in MA onenote Mar 2016 #136
A former President held a campaign rally outside the door of a polling place. madfloridian Mar 2016 #140
Where does my post defend what he did? I explained what the law says. onenote Mar 2016 #141
Whether it is wrong Kall Mar 2016 #116
Trump vs. Clinton means there'll be a crude, sleazy asshole in the WH no matter who wins nt Dems to Win Mar 2016 #117
Crime Keithmanek Mar 2016 #118
Can you just imagine if Jane Sanders did this? SoapBox Mar 2016 #123
She would be removed by security. I'm certain of that. Cleita Mar 2016 #130
I'm thinking ten years in prison. Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #127
I think it looks bad for him FreedomRain Mar 2016 #131
You have to ask xloadiex Mar 2016 #132
Oh, my! That poor fellow holding the ballot reminds me of one who, back in the olden days, . . . Petrushka Mar 2016 #139

Merryland

(1,134 posts)
134. Clear evidence for sure.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 05:00 PM
Mar 2016

Sickening display of arrogance - this idiot cannot be allowed back in the White House.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
3. ...And what the unholy fuck is this?!
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:56 PM
Mar 2016

I thought the Clinton side said he "wasn't campaigning"... This paints a really bad image even IF he wasn't "actively campaigning".

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
5. Somebody wants a picture
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:57 PM
Mar 2016

with a former President and this place is OMG - CRIMES COMMITTED. This has gotten past the point of parody.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
7. To be fair, Bill was rallying outside one of the polling places before entering.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:59 PM
Mar 2016

If that's not trying to persuade people then I don't know what is.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
12. There are laws against this kind of thing, not that the Clintons care about laws.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:01 PM
Mar 2016

A polling place is not the time or place for ex presidents to be taking pictures with people. Not only is there the possibility that it might influence someone's vote, but it is obstructs other voters trying to park and get into the polling place.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
97. Then gather your evidence and present
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:08 PM
Mar 2016

to to the proper authorities. You aren't as powerless as you apparently think you are.

Response to leftynyc (Reply #97)

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
129. They couldn't even cover
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:53 PM
Mar 2016

a postage stamp. But I truly think it's adorable that you think otherwise. I've been hearing about the imminent indictment of one or both Clinton's since the 1990s.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
16. What IS the former president
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:01 PM
Mar 2016
DOING even shaking hands and giving speeches at this polling station?

You might ask yourself that--it seems so blatant as to boggle the mind.

Doesn't bother you even a little bit? Doesn't seem a bit ethically challenged?

I have worked at polling places--I can tell you this would be tolerated for a half second where I am.
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
100. No - doesn't bother me
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:09 PM
Mar 2016

as I have yet to hear what crime was committed. OMG he shook hands with voters.......nope, can't seem to get worked up over that.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
22. I'm no election law expert, but
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:03 PM
Mar 2016

in my opinion, this is a point of bad judgement; if only cause the other guy is literally holding a ballot in the picture. Someone should have realized this kind of photo would only spark the fire hotter.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
83. Oh no, not saying that at all.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 03:34 PM
Mar 2016

To me, what bothers me is with the way some people will glom onto anything if they feel it serves a point(as I've been guilty of doing before), this feels like a perfectly avoidable pitfall. At least, without the ballot in the frame, y'know?

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
86. Laws exist for a reason
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 03:37 PM
Mar 2016

Step outside and get the picture, without the ballot. It's shameful that we have a former president that has no regard for the law. Election laws no less. It doesn't matter how small it is in your mind, it's still against the law, and he knows better. Lovely example.

Response to leftynyc (Reply #92)

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
120. Electioneering
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:42 PM
Mar 2016

I used to be a precinct committeeman, and electioneering and blocking voters access (regardless of candidate or party) is something most democrats I know take pretty seriously. There have been several videos and photos of both posted since yesterday. And btw - campaigns are all trained on this, so ignorance isn't an excuse, even for bullhorn bill.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
24. He was campaigning outside of a polling place - against the 150 ft rule.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:04 PM
Mar 2016

It's bullcrap if he gets away with this.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
29. Then gather your evidence
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:06 PM
Mar 2016

and bring it to the authorities. Complaining on a message board gets you absolutely nowhere.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
58. We are on a message board. We are doing what people do on message boards.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:16 PM
Mar 2016

We can and will complain on this message board all we want thank you. If you don't like it you can always trash the thread or put us on ignore. I have plenty of people on ignore.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
62. If you really think a crime was
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:19 PM
Mar 2016

committed then complaining on a message board is merely a waste of your time. Gather your evidence and present it to the authorities. Otherwise you're simply complaining just to complain - a complete waste of time.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
64. that's your opinion. I can complain all I want. You will not shut me up.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:21 PM
Mar 2016

If you won't put me on ignore, I will do us both a favor and put you on ignore.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
94. Knock yourself out
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:05 PM
Mar 2016

If you think complaining on a message board is going to get you what you want, really, knock yourself out.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
80. Sorry, but this is a strange comment.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 03:29 PM
Mar 2016

Social media, which a message board is a form of, is the primary way people get their information these days. It is the perfect way to bring awareness to this type of issue. And the only way for the authorities to even consider whether there was wrong-doing, is unfortunately, public pressure.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
87. What you fail to understand is that it's hubris like this from the Clintons
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 03:44 PM
Mar 2016

that drives away people from supporting her.

And when we commiserate online when the Clintons engage in these tactics, it's validating. It helps to know that we aren't alone in our disgust.

And lurkers clearly see what's going on too. And they see the dismissive comments from Hillary supporters, such as yourself, who seem to think what Bill Clinton did was clever and cute.

Yes, we realize that we have no case against Bill Clinton. Your post chided a DUer into gathering evidence and giving it to authorities--which we both know will never happen. So, I guess that makes us powerless against what Bill Clinton did at those polling places. There's nothing we can do. Bill Clinton knows that, and you're happy to sharpen that point.

It's that feeling of hopelessness and powerlessness that will continue to repel people from supporting Clinton and further damage the Clinton brand.

You have no effect on our support for Sanders, but you foment a very lasting, negative impact on the candidate that you support.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
96. If a crime was committed
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:07 PM
Mar 2016

what is the problem in gathering the evidence and presenting it to the appropriate authorities? If you're feeling powerless, perhaps it's because you don't have any evidence to present that a CRIME was committed.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
91. No, it's not a waste of time
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:03 PM
Mar 2016

It will encourage more people to register a complaint. That's the beauty of message boards. It allows you to get the message out. Duh.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
93. Why aren't YOU registering a
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:04 PM
Mar 2016

complaint? You're a citizen who thinks a law was broken. What's stopping YOU from filing a complaint with the police?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
10. Let's hang them both
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:00 PM
Mar 2016

for wanting to take a picture together. Or you can stop pretending this was some kind of crime. This place is lunacy today.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
26. Then gather your evidence
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:04 PM
Mar 2016

AND BRING IT TO THE POLICE because posting about it on a message board gets you absolutely nothing. Go ahead, make your case and bring it to the authorities if it's something you feel strongly about.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
31. I just posted a picture. Think about it. Perhaps the voters who waited in line will do something.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:06 PM
Mar 2016

Oh, and you would be surprised how much difference the internet can make on some issues.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
38. So if you saw Bill
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:09 PM
Mar 2016

outside a polling place you would feel so fucking intimidated you would.....what? Turn around and go home? Bring your evidence to the authorities.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
81. If I waited in line outside a polling place for an hour while that asshole was doing a photo op
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 03:30 PM
Mar 2016

And if I shouted "Hey, move it! There's people out here waiting to vote", what do you suppose would happen?

I''d be cuffed and stuffed and hauled off to jail while that piece of shit gets to stand in there and giggle while he breaks the law.

Double standard much?

No, of course there's nothing I or anyone else can do about it, but this kind of shit is why Bernie Sanders is getting so much support. And whether, you realize it or not, its why Trump is getting support.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
85. What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 03:37 PM
Mar 2016

There are laws, the laws apply to everybody, dumbass hillbillies with bullhorns are not exempt.

onenote

(42,767 posts)
88. Well, there does seem to be an assumption in these posts that one candidate was prejudiced
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 03:44 PM
Mar 2016

by the delay.

But if you're telling me that everyone agrees that wasn't the case, then I guess I was wrong.

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
133. It could be that internal data
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:59 PM
Mar 2016

show precincts that would heavily vote for Sanders and Bill went to them and had the polling place closed for an hour or more because most people can't take all day to vote. In New Bedford, the polling place was waiting for Bill to give his stump speech before it opened for voting. How is this legal?

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
121. You totally missed the point not that I'm surprised
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:45 PM
Mar 2016

I would not have gotten arrested for wanting to vote. I would have gotten arrested for heckling a Very Important Person (asshole with bullhorn).

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
124. That's even funnier
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:49 PM
Mar 2016

If a congressional representative can't get arrested for screaming "You Lie" to a current President, I think it's hilarious you think you couldn't heckle a former President. Just what would they have arrested you for? What would be the charge that wouldn't have gotten that cop thrown off the force for stupidity?

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
99. There are videos of voters complaining they can't get in to vote
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:09 PM
Mar 2016

Bill Clinton went to 4 different precincts that highly polled for Bernie, and shut them down for two hours so he could rally for Hillary. People left because they couldn't get the fuck in to vote. Poo Poo it all you want. A Clinton prevented people from voting yesterday and this is a serious issue we need to discuss. If you don't like it, put us on ignore.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
101. Then THEY need to register a complaint
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:11 PM
Mar 2016

If 17000 voters do that, perhaps you'll get someplace. I certainly would be doing more than posting on a board if I felt the way you do. I would be calling local and national newspapers, calling the police, doing SOMETHING rather than complaining where no good will come of it.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
32. so when a Republican doesn't get charged with a crime does that mean no crime was committed?
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:07 PM
Mar 2016

Powerful people get away with breaking the law every day.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
39. Yawn
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:10 PM
Mar 2016

Well I guess you think complaining on a message board does you loads of good. Good luck with that.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
43. He clearly was hoping for the voters to be influenced by his presence. He knows the laws.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:11 PM
Mar 2016

You are trying to avoid the truth. I'm sure Hillary knew his plans to do this. They are deceptive and untrustworthy. You see the evidence and act like it's nothing. If this was Bernie OMG you Hillary supporters would be having a fit and a half.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
37. I'm not hanging anyone.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:09 PM
Mar 2016

He held a rally right outside. He has power and influence. His wife is running for president. That's all I'm saying. You don't think that means anything?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
42. No - I don't think it means anything
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:11 PM
Mar 2016

other than you think Democratic voters are such ninnies that Bill standing out side a polling station would intimidate them so much they wouldn't vote.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
52. Chasing them down?
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:13 PM
Mar 2016

Where? Where is the video of him chasing these people away from the polling station and preventing them from voting. If you can provide that, I'll be interested.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
102. They were roped off and couldn't get to the voting booth
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:13 PM
Mar 2016

Videos abound on the internet and are not hard to find if you were really interested about this.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
107. Then the police should ALREADY be
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:15 PM
Mar 2016

involved. Why aren't they? I've seen videos of him being there but nothing about people not being able to vote. If I were in that line, I would have called the police AND the newspapers.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
55. No, I'm not calling anyone ninnies either.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:14 PM
Mar 2016

Are you aware that not all people that go to the polling place are decided? There are undecideds that go there and hope to talk to someone about it.

I didn't say he intimidated anyone either. I did say influence though. Because undecideds are available to be influenced.

Do you have anymore words to put in my mouth?

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
40. Let's please
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:10 PM
Mar 2016

This was a CRIME, but you're fine with it. This is why we can't support her. You may not have respect for yourself or law, but some of us do.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
18. Yeah Bill is just spending time
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:02 PM
Mar 2016

with the "regular people" wonder if he is hanging out at Walmart today as a Greeter.....



Give me a break

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
48. Then you shouldn't have any trouble
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:12 PM
Mar 2016

coming up with even one voter who was so intimidated by the presence of the former president they either didn't vote or changed their vote. Go ahead and find that voter.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
60. No - that is the point
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:17 PM
Mar 2016

morals and respect? Please spare me. A person wanted a picture with a former President (as would I if I were in the same room with him) and you want to make it some sort of fucking crime. It's madness.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
111. Look at the people roped off and can't get into the building to vote
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:18 PM
Mar 2016


Listen to these people complain they can't get past the rally to vote.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
115. Where are the pictures that nobody
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:24 PM
Mar 2016

was being let in to vote. Showing a line doesn't prove a damn thing. Why weren't the police called? Why didn't anyone call the local AND national newspapers. If a former President was actually blocking people from getting into a polling place, THAT WOULD BE NEWS.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
8. Unimpactful, ultimately.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:59 PM
Mar 2016

But a breathtakingly poor decision by a man who once knew better, but is now too rich to care.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
13. I don't like this, I don't like him in the polling place.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:01 PM
Mar 2016

I'm fine with him outside but this does seem like poor judgement to me. Not necessarily illegal... But ugh.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
36. I am.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:08 PM
Mar 2016

To me that's not a big deal, we had a Trump
Supporter at my town with a bull horn. He was within the 150 feet, technically. My town went for Sanders, and Trump.

Svafa

(594 posts)
66. But Bill isn't just a regular Clinton supporter out there with a bullhorn.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:40 PM
Mar 2016

He was able to use his celebrity to his advantage, and his presence created crowds that very may well have prevented people from getting in to vote. Not everyone can stand around in line for two hours on a Tuesday.

jalan48

(13,886 posts)
15. Nothing will come of this.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:01 PM
Mar 2016

Look for Bill to appear at a polling place near you. Get in line early if you hope to have your pic snapped with the big dog!

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
25. "Feel the Bern" somebody yelled
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:04 PM
Mar 2016

...got the biggest applause from the crowd

Right--should we see this Billy Rah Rah performance at other tight races?

jillan

(39,451 posts)
19. If Mass law states no one can be within 150 feet of a polling place that is not a voter, a poll
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:02 PM
Mar 2016

worker, or the police/security -

Why is he going to get away with this?

onenote

(42,767 posts)
89. Not at all what Mass law says
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 03:55 PM
Mar 2016

950 CMR 53.03 (d) Activities at Polling Place. Within 150 feet of a polling place as defined in 950 CMR 53.03(18)(c), no person shall solicit votes for or against, or otherwise promote or oppose, any person or political party or position on a ballot question, to be voted on at the current election.

Not sure where you get idea that no one who isn't "a voter, a poll worker or the police/security" can get within 150 feet of a polling place. That would make it difficult for someone to take a taxi to vote, don't you think?

In fact, under Mass law, as in other jurisdictions, a "guard rail" is supposed to be established within the polling place within which the ballot box/voting machines are located. Who can be within that area and when is restricted. Even voters can't be in that area if there are more than a certain number of people inside the area waiting to vote. However outside that space, there are essentially no restrictions, other than restrictions on people engaged in the specifically identified electioneering activities listed above and people who are deemed "disorderly". This is because, in the United States, it is generally the rule that elections are to be held in public view.



 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
20. If it's inside a polling place, I think it should be evidence for a case
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:02 PM
Mar 2016

or at least a very public slap official slap on the wrist for illegal interferencee with the voting process

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
28. I think he just made that guys year. Possibly.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:04 PM
Mar 2016

If I was anywhere near the Big Dog I would ask to have my photo taken with him.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
41. Yes, anything goes to get a pic with the Big Dog.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:11 PM
Mar 2016

Even breaking the rules. Even keeping people from voting.

It's the Clinton way.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
53. Yeah, Clinton hasn't gotten tens and tens of millions of progressives to the polls.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:14 PM
Mar 2016

Clinton has gotten more people to the polls in one state than Sanders got in all of his big wins yesterday.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
30. And where's the media?????
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:06 PM
Mar 2016

Just talking about the Queen and the rest of her tribe the GOP. I HATE the Klintons.

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
44. If thats a ballot its got an awful lot of writing on it.....
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:12 PM
Mar 2016

like notes.....I didn't think there were a bazillion amount of people competing in the Democratic primary.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
56. Mine (Massachusetts) had a lot, too. A lot of Write In spaces for ward committee members.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:15 PM
Mar 2016
If all of this is not enough, voters in towns will be choosing town committee members while those who reside in cities will pick ward committee members. Each town or ward committee is permitted to have up to 35 members.

http://www.eagletribune.com/campaign2016/news/massachusetts-voters-face-more-than-presidential-candidates-on-tuesday-s/article_7121b838-a73b-5525-8f83-bd4597c23e12.html


Google it and learn, Mr. Favorite Group Hillary Clinton.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
47. I'm sure this voter will be arrested for bringing his ballot outside, because it's against
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:12 PM
Mar 2016

the law for Clinton to be campaigning inside. And we know Clintons don't break the law.

angrychair

(8,733 posts)
51. I find this "so what"ing from Clinton supporters amusing
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:13 PM
Mar 2016

If this had been anyone else, Jane (Bernie's wife) or Rubio's wife or tRump's wife or a high-profile surrogate for any of the same, the Clinton group would be on fire right now, burning down DU to make their point.

Truly, tRump once said he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and still win. I would offer that with Clinton's supporters, she could do the same and it would not matter.
From Bill's very questionable election day behavior to HRC being investigated for a host of issues related to her private email server, they did nothing wrong and it's all a right wing conspiracy. That go to line is getting old and isn't going to work this time.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
122. Even if it doesn't constitute a crime
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:47 PM
Mar 2016

It is a serious ethical violation. One more reminder of the sleeziness that would return to the WH if Hillary is elected.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
71. Does the constitution have an exception to free speech?
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:52 PM
Mar 2016

as it does not apply within 150 feet from a polling place?

Svafa

(594 posts)
72. There are election laws. Don't pretend to be ignorant of
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:59 PM
Mar 2016

the fact that there are exceptions to freedom of speech.

Svafa

(594 posts)
75. Not at all. Breaking an election law is breaking the law. Now if someone wants
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 03:03 PM
Mar 2016

to challenge the constitutionality of this election law, that is a whole different can of worms, and I have no idea how it would play out.

Peregrine Took

(7,417 posts)
73. Imagine the 3 of them back in the WH!
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:59 PM
Mar 2016

Those grinning Clintoon mugs - acting like they own the place, every day, day in day out....omg.

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)
98. Where I live you can't even wear a campaign T shirt or button in the polling place.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:08 PM
Mar 2016

But of course the Clintons get away with everything.

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
110. What's the state election law say about non-candidates cheerleading at polling places?
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:17 PM
Mar 2016

Was this pic taken at a polling place or did the guy carry what seems to be a ballot to a different location?

People were up in arms about workers at the NV Repub caucus wearing Trump gear even though it was perfectly legal. This may be no different.

It's shameful how the presumption of guilt (rather than innocence) has pervaded this thread.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
112. This was in another thread...
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:22 PM
Mar 2016
Here is the MA law:
"Within 150 feet of a polling place…no person shall solicit votes for or against, or otherwise promote or oppose, any person or political party or position on a ballot question, to be voted on at the current election. No campaign material intended to influence the vote of a voter in the ongoing election, including campaign literature, buttons, signs, and ballot stickers, may be posted, exhibited, circulated, or distributed in the polling place, in the building where it is located, on the building walls, on the premises where the building stands, or within 150 feet of an entrance door to the building. ( 950 CMR 53.03(18); 54.04.22)"


It was at a MA polling place right outside the entrance.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511386461

Paper Roses

(7,475 posts)
113. Was this in MA? I thought he never entered a polling place. If that is the case,
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:22 PM
Mar 2016

where did the ballot come from? Hummmm, if it smells like a skunk, it probably is.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
114. There a lot of pics around of him inside the polling place.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:24 PM
Mar 2016

A lot at Twitter and some posted here. If I run across them I will link.

onenote

(42,767 posts)
136. It's not per se illegal for a non-voter to be inside a polling place in MA
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 05:44 PM
Mar 2016

Mass law distinguishes between the area within 150 feet of a polling place, the polling place itself, and the area within the polling place where the voting machines/ballot boxes are located. It is not unlawful for anyone to be within 150 feet of the polling place or inside polling place (but not within the demarcated area surrounding the ballot boxes/voting machines). This is because voting in Mass (as in most places) is held in public view. However, within the demarcated area surrounding the voting machines/ballot boxes, access is strictly limited to voters, security, election officials (with an exception for children if they will not be disruptive). Outside the demarcated area (whether inside the 150 foot zone or inside the polling place) the only restrictions are the specific electioneering restrictions and restrictions on someone who is deemed to being disorderly.

The rules vary all over the place. For example, in my state (Virginia), where my father, brother and I have all worked as election officials at various times over the years, it is lawful for a voter to wear a shirt, hat, button with the name of a candidate or a political slogan while they vote. However, a non-voter may not be within a set distance of the polling place wearing such apparel or button.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
140. A former President held a campaign rally outside the door of a polling place.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:47 AM
Mar 2016

He went inside. He posed with pictures. He kept people in line waiting to vote.

How does your conscience let you defend this.

onenote

(42,767 posts)
141. Where does my post defend what he did? I explained what the law says.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:28 AM
Mar 2016

I don't think it was appropriate. Whether or not it was illegal depends on what the law says and what he did.
I've seen it all sorts of inaccurate information here. I've seen it said that what he did was a felony. (No, if it was illegal it was at most a misdemeanor). I've seen it said that its illegal for any non-voter to be inside the polling place. (No, as my post explains).

Keithmanek

(5 posts)
118. Crime
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:39 PM
Mar 2016

It's proof of a crime. This are the games and tricks that make people distrust the clintons. This is why trust is so low for them.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
123. Can you just imagine if Jane Sanders did this?
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:47 PM
Mar 2016

The Hillers and Elites would scream for prison (Prison4Profit) time.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
130. She would be removed by security. I'm certain of that.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:53 PM
Mar 2016

She's not a former President of the United States.

FreedomRain

(413 posts)
131. I think it looks bad for him
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:54 PM
Mar 2016

not going to speak to illegality, not enough information on laws and circumstances about this.

But, it was not a smart political move, would have been more effective for his wife's campaign had he done his photo op the day before, and there would be no cloud of impropriety.

xloadiex

(628 posts)
132. You have to ask
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:58 PM
Mar 2016

Why was this done in Ma? It's because they knew they were hanging on by a thread. It was 100% intentional, laws be damned. "We're The Clintons." I would love to see this wife cheating, election cheating, pal of Jeffery Epstein, face some repercussions for this.

Petrushka

(3,709 posts)
139. Oh, my! That poor fellow holding the ballot reminds me of one who, back in the olden days, . . .
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 06:11 PM
Mar 2016
. . . came in to vote with a marked sample ballot he had only to copy to the official ballot . . . after being given a ride to the polls and a bottle of Seagram's 7. Ah-h, yes! Dem was d' good ole days.





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