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Hillary Clinton's debate jacket: Dog whistle to Wall Street? (Original Post) JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 OP
Sometimes a gold jacket is just a gold jacket cali Feb 2016 #1
Could be. I would never discount that possibility. Also the poster talking about UWM could be right. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #6
At least she wears stuff more than once. TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #45
I would normally never raise the issue of clothing (I don't care) JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #48
I know. You're cool. TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #62
The male "suit" is so uniform, for so many decades, delrem Feb 2016 #63
That's not Hillary in the picture on the left! I know someone who knows someone who says valerief Feb 2016 #2
Or is it an actress playing Angelina Jolie? JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #7
It's Brucina Rappaport n/t SheenaR Feb 2016 #16
LOL!! Fawke Em Feb 2016 #21
Hahaaa! That literally made me LOL! jillan Feb 2016 #67
You raise a good point. Has she ever said that that is her on the picture? JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #49
LOL. Wilms Feb 2016 #3
Blankfein always reminds me of Dr Evil hifiguy Feb 2016 #10
It's probably those mini lava flows on his head. Wilms Feb 2016 #15
You KNOW he has sharks hifiguy Feb 2016 #47
zipp it Scott olddots Feb 2016 #52
She dressed in UWM's colors LisaM Feb 2016 #4
I didn't know that! Very cool! Lucinda Feb 2016 #18
Well that is interesting. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #5
Three times Mr Bond is enemy action Fumesucker Feb 2016 #8
Yuck. She needs to take Old Yeller out back and put it down. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #9
Many chameleons died to make that jacket :) Donkees Feb 2016 #11
Huh? gollygee Feb 2016 #12
I agree. And yet, one can be strategic with wardrobe choices. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #13
To be fair, the mortician that did her makeup recommended it. n/t DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #14
This is an unfair post and arguably sexist. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #17
It's a joke. DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #20
I am not outraged. I am also the OP, so a Sanders supporter. I just find it an offensive joke. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #22
Sorry I thought the Secretary looked a ghostly pale last night. DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #26
Her make up wasn't so much the problem as the contrast against that harsh yellow jacket. procon Feb 2016 #44
She must not have gotten her "colors done" back in the 70s. I did and it is still true libdem4life Feb 2016 #53
+1/nt DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #37
I like that color. bigwillq Feb 2016 #19
That color doesn't look good on her. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #23
I do like that color bigwillq Feb 2016 #24
? Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #25
No JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #28
Still, the resemblance is striking. n/t Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #29
That's an Asian man JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #32
Hillary has a blue one too Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #35
My mom has that! JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #43
This is my issue too bravenak Feb 2016 #36
LOL bravenak Feb 2016 #27
I'm trying to figure out the image of Mao JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #30
She wore it to speak to GOLDMAN SACHS? Is that it? bravenak Feb 2016 #31
No she wore it in the death last night JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #33
To covince them to be capitalists? bravenak Feb 2016 #34
Why isn't anyone ever talking about what Bernie is wearing? Yes, rhetorical question. JTFrog Feb 2016 #38
A lot are. bigwillq Feb 2016 #39
Sure they are. JTFrog Feb 2016 #41
His hair was discussed frequently. 840high Feb 2016 #54
I called out the sexism in post #17. This post is anti-corruption, not anti-female. n/t JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #42
Wrong. JTFrog Feb 2016 #50
I would agree with childish and petty. You are way off base on sexism. Thanks for the alert though! JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #51
I didn't alert on your post. JTFrog Feb 2016 #59
I apologize then. However, clearly the jury vigorously disagrees with your assessment. n/t JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #60
That's nothing new. JTFrog Feb 2016 #61
Other aspects of his appearance are talked about. A lot. delrem Feb 2016 #64
Well the material looks like silk Ichingcarpenter Feb 2016 #40
Jury Results: WillyT Feb 2016 #46
She also wore the same jacket to the Women's Leadership Forum tammywammy Feb 2016 #55
She doesn't need to dog whistle to Wall Street, when she's... CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #56
Well Said... CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #57
All she needed was a yellow rain cap and yellow rain boots. B Calm Feb 2016 #58
Another edifying post on DU. Beacool Feb 2016 #65
If Bernie Sanders wore a lapel pin he's worn while fundraising with corporations he must regulate... JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #66

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
6. Could be. I would never discount that possibility. Also the poster talking about UWM could be right.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:00 PM
Feb 2016

TheBlackAdder

(28,075 posts)
45. At least she wears stuff more than once.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:10 PM
Feb 2016

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When people talk about a woman's clothing, or their appearance it is done to lower their favorability by 5%.

Rutgers-Eagleton's Center for American Women and Politics compiled research, that was taught in a Women and Politics course that showed gendered attacks hurt female candidates, whereas male candidates are unaffected.


This is why media talks about a woman candidate's clothes. It not only burns up their small allotment of time so real issues cannot be discussed, but it also reflects negatively on the electability of a candidate. This is not just how society works, there is a dynamic that hurts female candidates, delegitimizes them if the topics of voice, appearance, etc. are raised.


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JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
48. I would normally never raise the issue of clothing (I don't care)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:20 PM
Feb 2016

Except to say that it could be a dogwhistle to special interests. I have not commented on how she looks in the photo or my opinion of the appropriateness of the jacket. Such commentary would surely be subject to the well taken points you make; but I have not made such statements.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
63. The male "suit" is so uniform, for so many decades,
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:47 AM
Feb 2016

the colors are so the same, it's bloody boring.

Hillary's clothes and fashion choices are interesting to me. I think she has very good fashion sense. She can be very regal - I often think of Mao Zedong, but with 21st century designers, in some photos of her. She's very confident in her clothes, and that's a plus.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
2. That's not Hillary in the picture on the left! I know someone who knows someone who says
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:55 PM
Feb 2016

it's Angelina Jolie.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
47. You KNOW he has sharks
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:22 PM
Feb 2016

with frikkin' laser beams on their heads patrolling the waters off his palatial oceanside retreat.



Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
5. Well that is interesting.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:57 PM
Feb 2016

When I saw it last night I was turned off by the militant look even if it's in yellow it still looks rather severe and like something Dr. Evil might where on his off hours you know just relaxing making plans to take over the world. But, this is somehow worse.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
12. Huh?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:15 PM
Feb 2016

Most people wear clothes more than once. If she only wore her clothes once, people would complain about that too.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
26. Sorry I thought the Secretary looked a ghostly pale last night.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:27 PM
Feb 2016

I'm not the only one, by the way. For what it's worth I thought Senator Sanders looked as red as a lobster. If you don't dare make a joke about a woman out of fear that it means you are sexist, that's your problem. However, it was certainly not my intention to offend you, although something tells me you probably get offended a lot.

procon

(15,805 posts)
44. Her make up wasn't so much the problem as the contrast against that harsh yellow jacket.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:10 PM
Feb 2016

It clashed with her complexion which is in the cool range of pink tones. She looks best in complementary colors of cool shades of pinks, blues, purples, and some greens. The hot colors like yellow, orange, red, brown, olive greens aren't flattering to her skin tones, but looking at her wardrobe selections, those must be the shades she (or her dressers) prefers the most.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
53. She must not have gotten her "colors done" back in the 70s. I did and it is still true
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:48 PM
Feb 2016

I feel better in my colors and they say people respond better. I'm in sales so it must be true. LOL...FWIW

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
23. That color doesn't look good on her.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:21 PM
Feb 2016

It doesn't look good on anyone except Capt. Kirk.

Seriously? You like that color?

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
32. That's an Asian man
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:32 PM
Feb 2016

Not a Caucasian woman. They don't look alike, and I've seen my mom wear a suit jacket like that in royal blue.

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
30. I'm trying to figure out the image of Mao
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:31 PM
Feb 2016

It doesn't make sense. Is that a Clinton vs Sanders joke I'm not getting?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
34. To covince them to be capitalists?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:35 PM
Feb 2016

Or communists? Or to do something weird that is secret secret? This is very weird anyway, I still dont get it yet.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
38. Why isn't anyone ever talking about what Bernie is wearing? Yes, rhetorical question.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:39 PM
Feb 2016

But thanks for spottlighting the sexism running rampant on DU and elsewhere these days.



JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
51. I would agree with childish and petty. You are way off base on sexism. Thanks for the alert though!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:46 PM
Feb 2016

Sorry you nearly got a shut-out jury disagreeing.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
59. I didn't alert on your post.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:39 AM
Feb 2016

Didn't alert your OP or any of your other posts in this thread.

That's a shitty accusation, but not surprising in the least.

Sorry, but the only person off base here is you.



 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
61. That's nothing new.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:05 AM
Feb 2016

Since the inception of DU3 and the jury system, sexism has run rampant on DU. You can find thousands upon thousands of posts discussing this and asking the admins to do something about it. It's all Lord of the Flies up in here now.




delrem

(9,688 posts)
64. Other aspects of his appearance are talked about. A lot.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:03 AM
Feb 2016

It is certainly not all complimentary.

But you know, wearing a bright yellow suit jacket to a debate is likely to be commented on? Don't you think so?

I remember back in the days, in Canada, when there was "Trudeau-mania" about Pierre Trudeau. A very populist, charismatic man. The early days, before Albertan's threw tomatoes at his train when he traveled across Canada by rail. His clothes, his rose, all drew a lot of comment (scathing, ribald, the works) because they were just a tiny bit out of the ordinary. Is that "sexism"? Or is that just people talking about something that a professionally public person, a politician, takes care to make noticeable? I mean jeez, breezing into Ottawa in a flashy red sports convertible, wearing his rose, what's not to talk about?

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
40. Well the material looks like silk
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:40 PM
Feb 2016

But the color and the trim of the jacket

AS an old Sailor friend of mine said it looks like foul weather gear

Just add an hat

It's very high dollar whatever it is.

I think its silk the way it plays on the body.




 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
46. Jury Results:
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:17 PM
Feb 2016

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Can we stop this blatant misogyny?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Feb 12, 2016, 04:41 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Some people seem to like to claim everything is misogynistic and sexist. This also is neither.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If I need to ask for the misogyny to be pointed out, it is not blatant.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Can we please move on from this childish behavior?

I am supporting Sen. Sanders, however, I don't like how we attack each other. We are suppose to be supportive of each other not knock each other down!
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's a beautifully tailored jacket and I'm sure she felt confident in it. What misogyny?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: We're talking about Wall Street, I am not seeing the misogyny in the post.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given


CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
56. She doesn't need to dog whistle to Wall Street, when she's...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:29 AM
Feb 2016

calling them on her cell phone, late night when she needs their love...or money. Or whatever.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
57. Well Said...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:34 AM
Feb 2016

If anyone still does not "get" Hillary and the media Wall Street Intertwine... then they are just delusional.

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
65. Another edifying post on DU.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:13 AM
Feb 2016

Do you have an opinion on what the male candidates wear? How about a similar post about Sanders' rumpled suits, Trump's designer suits, Rubio's stacked heel shoes that add an extra inch or two to his height?

Nope, there's no sexism on the Left. Suffice it to read DU regularly to disabuse one of that notion.

The barrel has been scraped so much that it now has a hole.....

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
66. If Bernie Sanders wore a lapel pin he's worn while fundraising with corporations he must regulate...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:29 AM
Feb 2016

(And no, DSCC fundraisers don't count, thanks for trying)

Then I would have an opinion. The point of this post is that the same clothing was worn at both events. How the clothing looks or how she looks is irrelevant and immaterial, and a distraction from the post (but a convenient way to dodge the larger point, so kudos for finding a good distraction!)

I have no opinion about the specifics of her clothing; it is unimportant to me. Ideas, record, and ethics matter to me.

Have I made myself sufficiently clear to you?

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