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Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:47 AM Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders Civil Rights Photographer was Danny Lyons - more Bernie pics

Looks like John Lewis can't ignore Danny. This is what he said about him:

“This young white New Yorker came South with a camera and a keen eye for history. And he used these simple, elegant gifts to capture the story of one of the most inspiring periods in America’s twentieth century.” — John Lewis, US congressman


From a blurb on Danny's book:

Memories of the Southern Civil Rights Movement
by DANNY LYON
https://twinpalms.com/books-artists/memories-of-the-southern-civil-rights-movement/
In the summer of 1962, Danny Lyon packed a Nikon Reflex and an old Leica in an army bag and hitchhiked south. Within a week he was in jail in Albany, Georgia, looking through the bars at another prisoner, Martin Luther King Jr. Lyon soon became the first staff photographer for the Atlanta-based Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), which already had a reputation as one of the most committed and confrontational groups fighting for civil rights.


This is Dann'y blog and on the blog he has two entries:
BERNIE SANDERS LEADS 1963 SIT-IN
Posted on January 30, 2016
https://dektol.wordpress.com/2016/01/30/bernie-sanders-leads-1963-sit-in/
where he identifies the two photographs he took of Berrnie that have been widely published

And a second blog that he did yesterday:
MORE BERNIE CIVIL RIGHTS PHOTOS FOUND!
Posted on February 11, 2016
https://dektol.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/more-bernie-civil-rights-photos-found/

The slander that Bernie was not a very early leader for African American civil rights got so outrageous that persons went into the archives of the University of Chicago and changed captions on Danny Lyon’s 1962 photos, claiming it was Bruce Rappaport standing in Bernie’s clothing leading the demonstration in the Ad Building. These newly discovered pictures, including close up photographs of the student activists show us exactly what Bernie was and what he remains.


He posts more photos of the sit-in and then says:
Here at the University of Chicago, in the winter of 1962, students led by Bernie Sanders and others have occupied the hallway of the Administration Building, spending the night inside. The Chancellor cannot get into or leave his office. Bernie is leading a protest against the discrimination practiced by the University of Chicago against African Americans in it’s extensive housing. This protest for equal rights for African Americans is the first sit-in to be held in the north as part of the great 1960’s civil rights movement. Bernie is the real deal. And voters, all voters know it. Feel the Bern.


I think Danny makes a pretty solid case given who he was: a civil rights photographer and John Lewis of all people attests to his work.

John Lewis would know Danny because:
Lyon soon became the first staff photographer for the Atlanta-based Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC)

and John Lewis headed up the SNCC from 1963 to 1966.
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Bernie Sanders Civil Rights Photographer was Danny Lyons - more Bernie pics (Original Post) Jarqui Feb 2016 OP
K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SamKnause Feb 2016 #1
Does anyone have David Brock's email? Senator Tankerbell Feb 2016 #2
Contact Media Matters klook Feb 2016 #54
I Won't Wait Cheviteau Feb 2016 #80
The depths of this little episode of ratfuckery are truly unfathomable. mhatrw Feb 2016 #118
The answers are obvious. Unknown Beatle Feb 2016 #122
He is the only real democrat in it Rilesome Feb 2016 #142
Right you are, Rilesome. Unknown Beatle Feb 2016 #144
That's right! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #146
It won't make a bit of difference. He is using the tactic of throwing shit and then running. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #123
Yes. Raster Feb 2016 #155
Thank you so much! cali Feb 2016 #3
Damn Cali... WiffenPoof Feb 2016 #104
His case is more than solid. It's unimpeachable cali Feb 2016 #4
I used to think a lot of John Lewis, but no more. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #5
John Lewis is and always will be an American hero cali Feb 2016 #9
I define hero differently. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #13
as do I. nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #22
Cali, erlewyne Feb 2016 #24
I'm not blaming Lewis. earthside Feb 2016 #33
Maybe it was in a book arikara Feb 2016 #112
The brotha is a hero, Thank you his pass accomplishments are not diminished. JRLeft Feb 2016 #39
It is hard to accept zentrum Feb 2016 #68
It was a coordinated attack. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #76
See: The Dark Knight JackInGreen Feb 2016 #74
And respect can be lost just as quickly as it's earned. frylock Feb 2016 #86
And all he really said was that he had not met Bernie during jwirr Feb 2016 #88
Maybe, Maybe Not Cheviteau Feb 2016 #90
John Lewis is a great man whose work stands for itself. klook Feb 2016 #57
His record is his record, but his credibility is gone. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #62
^ I agree with this. ^ SoapBox Feb 2016 #70
exactly. nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #99
Please stop making this about John Lewis lostnfound Feb 2016 #131
Lewis damaged his own reputation by his own actions without any help from me. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #153
This message was self-deleted by its author Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #152
I can buy that John Lewis doesn't remember seeing Bernie tk2kewl Feb 2016 #6
I have no issue with that, that Lewis never met Sanders DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #16
I agree. It's makes me sad. tk2kewl Feb 2016 #28
well said renate Feb 2016 #151
In August, 1963, Hillary was 15 years old ... Jarqui Feb 2016 #32
Late 60s dlwickham Feb 2016 #125
For this run. In the 70s he was with the small Liberty Union party in VT Jarqui Feb 2016 #126
So does he still believe that there's no difference between Republicans and Democrats dlwickham Feb 2016 #129
Why don't you ask him that? nt. druidity33 Feb 2016 #135
Why so defensive dlwickham Feb 2016 #143
In terms of the money in politics? It's debatable how much difference there is Jarqui Feb 2016 #147
He's more of a true Democrat Carolina Feb 2016 #136
I love and admire Congressman Lewis. He deserves his iconic status. If not him, who? in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #51
that wasn't the point, it was the passive aggressive implication that he planted. nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #25
I know... See my reply to DefenseLawer ^ tk2kewl Feb 2016 #31
I will look! nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #101
DU Rec. SixString Feb 2016 #7
Jonathan Capehart is sticking with his story. Senator Tankerbell Feb 2016 #8
Capehart's ultimate boss is Bezos dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #19
That's good. Make sure you let them know why you canceled. Senator Tankerbell Feb 2016 #23
The Washington Post Merryland Feb 2016 #59
Good for you, and tell the Bezos Billionaire Gazette why. appalachiablue Feb 2016 #150
what a piece of shit. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #40
What's Sanders reading in that last photo? intheflow Feb 2016 #10
Me too! nt thereismore Feb 2016 #26
The Communist Manifesto! Doctor_J Feb 2016 #48
That's A Season in Hell by Arthur Rimbaud panader0 Feb 2016 #49
Must be worth the read, then. intheflow Feb 2016 #85
I think this is it starroute Feb 2016 #50
You are brilliant! intheflow Feb 2016 #83
Dont think that last photo is of Bernie demwing Feb 2016 #63
Maybe it was a book about complete makeovers. intheflow Feb 2016 #84
Beauty Tips by Arthur Rimbaud? demwing Feb 2016 #87
The photos came from the photographer. jwirr Feb 2016 #97
I realize that, doesn't mean they're all of Bernie demwing Feb 2016 #107
Yeah when did Bernie ever have dark hair? Armstead Feb 2016 #100
The last photo is not Bernie. I thought at first it was Rappaport, FourScore Feb 2016 #119
YOOJ R&K!!! Donkees Feb 2016 #11
k/r AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #12
K&R nenagh Feb 2016 #14
So if the Clinton camp Swift boats Bernie and then she wins the primary we are just supposed jalan48 Feb 2016 #15
No. greymouse Feb 2016 #20
"Dare I use the phrase anti-American?" JTFrog Feb 2016 #29
You're right - Lying is as American as Apple Pie demwing Feb 2016 #66
Nope. JTFrog Feb 2016 #67
You're seriously confused demwing Feb 2016 #72
I am neither confused nor misguided. JTFrog Feb 2016 #106
Perhaps we have different definition of "American" demwing Feb 2016 #109
+1000000 SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #149
And I have zero respect for anyone that cuddles up to Kissinger. JoeyT Feb 2016 #117
Her behavior is Nixonian Carolina Feb 2016 #137
Might be the most write ins in history if that's the case Rilesome Feb 2016 #145
David Brock swift boat FAIL. myrna minx Feb 2016 #17
You nailed it. +1 nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #18
Bought and paid for by that Wall Street / corporate money Hillary Jarqui Feb 2016 #35
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #21
K&R hwmnbn Feb 2016 #27
Bernie is the real deal. First sit-in in the North. Get that? So what if he wasn't in the South? thereismore Feb 2016 #30
Looks like their swift boat attempt sprung a leak. Baitball Blogger Feb 2016 #34
Not unless Capehart, WaPo, Time, Matthews, MSNBC and others retract cali Feb 2016 #37
The disputed zentrum Feb 2016 #36
Five of those photos in his second post Jarqui Feb 2016 #42
The boatneck sweater in these photos is the same. Bezos and his crew are liars devoid of honor. gregcrawford Feb 2016 #71
I share your anger zentrum Feb 2016 #91
Sigh... gregcrawford Feb 2016 #105
Worse then Rove -- She has embraced Kissinger and taken advice from him. (NT) Rilgin Feb 2016 #108
Don't forget Carolina Feb 2016 #138
agreed--Trump v Clinton would be Mussolini v Nixon zazen Feb 2016 #154
You can tell it's Bernie by the posture Odin2005 Feb 2016 #96
There are two students in the new photo and the student on the left looks more like ucrdem Feb 2016 #44
Just looking at the photos Beowulf Feb 2016 #56
Guy on the left in the new picture is not the same guy....... Amaril Feb 2016 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #121
Is there nothing you won't stoop to? It's Sanders. mhatrw Feb 2016 #113
They have a reason to oppose Bernie abelenkpe Feb 2016 #55
They are sooooo scared!!! Helen Borg Feb 2016 #38
K and R (nt) bigwillq Feb 2016 #41
Thank you! Proof once again overrides establishment Respect 88 Feb 2016 #43
No he wasn't arrested from this Jarqui Feb 2016 #45
Race Protest - Bernie arrested 1962 Respect 88 Feb 2016 #61
The Assistant State's Attorney said Bernie helped lead the protest demwing Feb 2016 #69
Or make the case that his actions didn't pose a risk Jarqui Feb 2016 #89
John Lewis isn't in any of his photos? NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #46
Bernie has never claimed this. jwirr Feb 2016 #98
At this link is a lovely photo of John Lewis from 1963, by Danny Lyon who took the Bernie photos Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #157
Another mud-toss from Team Clinton that will backfire Doctor_J Feb 2016 #47
Just wow...going into the archive and changing???? libdem4life Feb 2016 #52
THANK YOU! Is it CLEAR NOW? Bernie IS NOT a liar, like someone else we know. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #53
Maybe we should say thanks to HRC/Brock. Bernie is not the boastful type and ALBliberal Feb 2016 #58
We need to know the people who changed the names on that photograph and why EndElectoral Feb 2016 #60
Changing the archive is a whole other level of evil. mainer Feb 2016 #64
Virtually SS like. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #81
Censors and trolls are all around us. erlewyne Feb 2016 #94
There is one thing that has to be remembered. Hillary is an establishment candidate, with LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #65
We know that Teeety reads DU but could you forward this INdemo Feb 2016 #73
I went off on John Lewis yesterday nyabingi Feb 2016 #75
I hope they are sending the photos to the press TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #77
Walmart board meeting did not allow photos awake Feb 2016 #102
LOL TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #111
Lewis quoddy woman Feb 2016 #78
Yes the hands... demwing Feb 2016 #103
Excellent forensics creatives4innovation Feb 2016 #116
Now there is no doubt! Isn't social media wonderful? Duval Feb 2016 #79
Yep! And a big Fuck You Once Again to the Corrupt Corporate Clinton Mainstream Media. Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #128
K&R. Hell Yeah! liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #92
They gonna try to swiftboat the crap out of him on this. We must be ready. Tiggeroshii Feb 2016 #93
I find it amazing.. monicaangela Feb 2016 #95
"...persons went into the archives of the University of Chicago and changed captions..." Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #110
It had to have been done electronically, which may have produced a timestamp. FourScore Feb 2016 #120
The Clintons seem to sully much of what/whom they come into contact with... AzDar Feb 2016 #114
K&R Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #115
k and fuckin' r cui bono Feb 2016 #124
Once again the Clintons are wallowing in the slimey gutter. Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #127
Dirty Tricks? noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #130
Hillary's lying/deceptions reminds me of Nixon more than any Jarqui Feb 2016 #132
Ditto Carolina Feb 2016 #139
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #133
they really ARE out of ideas--what's next? kindergarten essays? MisterP Feb 2016 #134
David Brock digs up a new Bernie Sanders photograph! anAustralianobserver Feb 2016 #140
Just before he went to Dallas no doubt. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #141
Lee Harvey Sanders? Jarqui Feb 2016 #148
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #156

SamKnause

(13,103 posts)
1. K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:52 AM
Feb 2016

Thank you so very much for posting this.

I just posted a piece, but yours is much more detailed.

Thank you !!!!

I am sick of the lies.

I am sick of the attacks on this great and humble man.

FEEL THE BERN

klook

(12,155 posts)
54. Contact Media Matters
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:03 PM
Feb 2016
Tips
Send news tips about conservative misinformation to Media Matters via
action@mediamatters.org

The web site Brock founded, Media Matters, is supposed to expose conservative lies. Maybe Media Matters will perform its watchdog function and expose the lies perpetrated by Brock's other enterprise, "Correct" the Record.

Cheviteau

(383 posts)
80. I Won't Wait
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:20 PM
Feb 2016

David Brock proved himself to be a liar years ago. Some on this site may believe he's redeemed himself. I'm not among them.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
118. The depths of this little episode of ratfuckery are truly unfathomable.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:47 PM
Feb 2016

Sally Cook, the retired government lawyer University of Chicago alumni who contacted the University of Chicago archives to get the caption of the photo changed, conceded to Time magazine reporter Sam Frizell that she could not "say for certain the man is not Sanders."

So what made it so important to her that she felt she needed to change the caption in order to identify the individual at a 40+-year-old sit in as some long dead acquaintance rather than as Bernie Sanders?

Who then told Sam Frizell, Time magazine's Clinton pool reporter, about this trifling photo flap? What induced Sam Frizell to devote 1000 words to this complete non-story without making any attempt to contact the original photographer?

What then induced the WaPo's Jonathan Capehart, the live in partner of a rich Clinton campaign staffer, to pick up this complete non-story and spin it into a direct attack of Sanders' integrity without making any attempt to contact the original photographer?

Why did corporate cable news then trot out Capehart on 10 different shows to promulgate this complete non-story?

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
122. The answers are obvious.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:15 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary represents the status quo and Bernie represents a political revolution. The lies and the smears against Sanders are just starting.

The monied elite, which Hillary considers herself to be a part of that tiny group, want to continue fleecing the 99%. Their gravy train will slow down if Bernie is elected president and they don't want anything to disrupt their runaway money train.

Fuck them!

Feel The Bern!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
123. It won't make a bit of difference. He is using the tactic of throwing shit and then running.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:25 PM
Feb 2016

He accomplished his goal. His actions have a certain Rovian flare.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. His case is more than solid. It's unimpeachable
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:55 AM
Feb 2016

And feel the Bern sure sounds like an endorsement.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
5. I used to think a lot of John Lewis, but no more.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:00 AM
Feb 2016

That was low. And unnecessary.

Hillary was no surprise. Anybody who would lie this much as the nominee, would have zero problem lying us into another war if needbe. That's obvious.

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
24. Cali,
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:22 AM
Feb 2016

your posts always seem to give me an opening for my thoughts.

What is that saying about every bad thing has something good?

Without John Lewis' badmouthing Bernie, I would not have gotten
some great "old" pictures of Bernie.

Those were great years for me because I was in high school
and did not realize how sleazy our great country was becoming.

I supported Goldwater back then because he was an underdog.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
33. I'm not blaming Lewis.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:30 AM
Feb 2016

But there is no doubt in my mind that the pressure from the Clintons to say and do anything to backup Hillary is enormous right now.

They have a reputation going back to Arkansas of being bullies and fierce threateners.

As long as the 'inevitability' argument for Hillary stays viable, there are going to be a lot of establishment Democratic officeholders who will succumb to the threats and say whatever they think will keep them in the Clintons' favor.

That's why knocking down the inevitability concept is so important.

I'm trying to remember a saying about the Clintons from 1992 (I'm not finding it by Googling yet) about how Clinton campaign wouldn't just respond to an attack with a counter punch, but would chop off the hand ... something like that.



arikara

(5,562 posts)
112. Maybe it was in a book
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:21 PM
Feb 2016

the saying that is. I've heard similar about their scorched earth campaigns.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
68. It is hard to accept
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:35 PM
Feb 2016

….that along with endorsing HRC he dissed Bernie. Was that really necessary? Bernie is a progressive——what was the point?

Fine for him to back her—especially if in his calculations she'll be the winner and he doesn't want her as an enemy—I know how DC works and have heard of HRC's vindictiveness —but, did he also have to cast doubt on the integrity of Bernie's life story?


 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
76. It was a coordinated attack.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:10 PM
Feb 2016

John Lewis may not have known the whole plan, but he was given a script to read and did as he was told.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
74. See: The Dark Knight
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:45 PM
Feb 2016

"Die a hero, or live long enough to become a villain"
I agree John Lewis will always be a hero. I can forgive the sleight, but it will always call his words into question now.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
88. And all he really said was that he had not met Bernie during
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:30 PM
Feb 2016

those years.

It was Brock and the Hillary campaign that gave it the spin that because John Lewis did not know him then that meant that Bernie was not in the movement.

For God's sake he did not know me either. A lot of us did not know each other.

klook

(12,155 posts)
57. John Lewis is a great man whose work stands for itself.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:06 PM
Feb 2016

I am sorry that he's supporting the Clinton campaign this time around, and I'm sorry that he chose to cast doubt on Sanders's political history. This one moment does not destroy Lewis's long record of exemplary public service.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
62. His record is his record, but his credibility is gone.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:15 PM
Feb 2016

If he were a witness in a court case, for instance, I wouldn't believe him now.

He made a bad choice, and he should have known that it wasn't worth it. So good judgement's out the window too.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
70. ^ I agree with this. ^
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:37 PM
Feb 2016

It seems to happen too often...a great history, doing great work...and then they get soiled over something like this.

And all in the name of trying to get her elected.

Too bad.

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
131. Please stop making this about John Lewis
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:43 PM
Feb 2016

It is not helpful. We have no idea what kind of pressure he is under, and what kind of memory he has. Be kind, and assume the best in people.

It's important to bring out the truth, and it's terrible that anyone would want to try to rob Bernie of a proud brave legacy.. But the man who was Bernie then, and the man who is Bernie still today, would never want to be part of tearing down a man like John Lewis.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
153. Lewis damaged his own reputation by his own actions without any help from me.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:28 AM
Feb 2016

There was NO NEED to say what he did about Sanders. None, whatsoever. HE went there. He could have endorsed HRC without deliberately trying to damage another candidate over a point that he knew was false. He attempted to smear the hard-earned, long-standing reputation of an innocent fellow civil rights worker merely to put his candidate a little more ahead.

What about fairness? Is that just a word to toss around? Appparently so.

I'll bet neither Lewis, nor HRC, expected that photographer to come forward. And what if the photograher had NOT come forward? What then? Would this be ok for this smear gambit of theirs to stand just because Lewis is an icon? And if so, then how is that any different from the idea of "too big to jail", meaning some people are exempt from the standards the rest of us are held to and expect?

Well, it isn't ok with me. I expect my icons and heroes to exceed the common standards, not to fail miserably at them.

People who would do this sort of thing, I ask myself what else would they stoop to? what else have they already done that we don't know about? It's game over for Lewis' reputation in my book. That's entirely his doing, it's not mine for saying so.

I appreciate your politeness in asking, but I won't be checking my opinions at the door for ANY candidate. This wasn't a little "oops", a little slip as far as ethics are concerned, this was a disaster, a very telling one.

Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #5)

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
6. I can buy that John Lewis doesn't remember seeing Bernie
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:00 AM
Feb 2016

But one degree of separation - and a journalist covering the movement reporting on both Bernie and Rep Lewis...

Great post

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
16. I have no issue with that, that Lewis never met Sanders
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:11 AM
Feb 2016

Although I think it was an unnecessary dig. It was the disingenuous "but I met Hillary" ( implying that unlike Bernie, by Lewis' implication, Hillary was somehow in the civil rights movement) that was classic Clintonian word games at their worst.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
28. I agree. It's makes me sad.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:23 AM
Feb 2016

I've had that feeling of deep sadness and disappointment when some one I respect or love discounted my contribution or sincerity to something important to me. I wonder if Bernie feels wounded by these sorts of attacks on his work - attacks that try to discount what I believe is truly part of his soul. Does he take time to console himself over the pain it must cause or is that something that has to wait?

renate

(13,776 posts)
151. well said
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:13 AM
Feb 2016

It makes me sad too, especially the unnecessity of it. Why would Lewis say something like that about a candidate who is almost certainly more deeply-in-his-bones on his side than the other one? Not that Hillary isn't fully in support of civil rights--but justice has been Bernie's raison-d'etre for his entire life.

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
32. In August, 1963, Hillary was 15 years old ...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:27 AM
Feb 2016

She went on to be a Goldwater girl

She went on from there to be president of the Young Republicans at college and intern for Republicans in Washington.

It was a while (if truly ever) before she caught and embraced civil rights.

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
125. Late 60s
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:16 PM
Feb 2016

Late 60s-she supported Eugene McCarthy in 68; she and Bill campaigned for McGovern and 72

She was assigned a Republican congressman for her internship she didn't pick him

She also resigned from the young Republicans by her senior year

When did Sanders become a Democrat was it after 72

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
126. For this run. In the 70s he was with the small Liberty Union party in VT
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:27 PM
Feb 2016

But as mayor, congressman and senator, he's been an independent who caucused with the Democrats in Washington.

But these policies and positions he's talking about, he's had those since the 60s.

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
129. So does he still believe that there's no difference between Republicans and Democrats
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:29 PM
Feb 2016

So does he still believe that there's no difference between Republicans and Democrats because he's on record as saying that or has his opinion changed over the years?

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
147. In terms of the money in politics? It's debatable how much difference there is
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:43 PM
Feb 2016

if we try to be objective about it.

In terms of other areas, he's slammed the Republicans on climate change for example and not the Dems to the same degree. He's complimented Obama on far more things than he's been critical of. Haven't seen many compliments for Republicans. He's touted Hillary as a hundred times better than any Republican candidate.

I'd say he sees plenty of differences.

A number of years ago, maybe after they signed the welfare bill, maybe not so many differences back then and he spoke emotionally to claim no difference as a figure of speech rather than literally. Maybe it was at the municipal level when both parties ganged up on him. I haven't seen the context so I'm not sure.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
136. He's more of a true Democrat
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:09 PM
Feb 2016

than she is... with her DLC, repuke-lite history. He's FDR, she's Nixon... deceit and dirty tricks, anything to win

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
51. I love and admire Congressman Lewis. He deserves his iconic status. If not him, who?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:56 AM
Feb 2016

Though he did, deliberately, insinuate Bernie wasn't who he says he is. That was uncalled for and unnecessary. He could have just endorsed HRH and left it at that, but he didn't do that. He made the decision to get down in the David Brock muck. He was wrong.

I still admire him and always will. It's just unfortunate he's supporting someone like Clinton and flung her shit for her.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

Senator Tankerbell

(316 posts)
8. Jonathan Capehart is sticking with his story.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:02 AM
Feb 2016

Even though he has now been proven wrong.
https://twitter.com/CapehartJ

We need to let his editor know about this and ask if there will be a retraction:
https://twitter.com/hiattf

dragonfly301

(399 posts)
19. Capehart's ultimate boss is Bezos
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:18 AM
Feb 2016

who doesn't care if the washpo is inaccurate as long as Hillary wins. I have been a subscriber for 31 years, today I canceled my subscription. Enough.

Merryland

(1,134 posts)
59. The Washington Post
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:09 PM
Feb 2016

has become nothing but a right-wing shilling operation since it's pro-Iraq War days. Ugh.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
48. The Communist Manifesto!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:54 AM
Feb 2016

Since the "bernie lied about being an activist" lie failed, the hillarians will probably go back to red-baiting.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
50. I think this is it
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:55 AM
Feb 2016

I saved, cropped, rotated, sharpened -- and did a Google reverse image search on the result. Came up with this.


 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
107. I realize that, doesn't mean they're all of Bernie
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:31 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie:


Not the Bernie:


Check the name of the 1st photo: "berniefr22-copy.jpg"

Check the name of the 2nd photo: "studentatsitin010.jpg"

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
119. The last photo is not Bernie. I thought at first it was Rappaport,
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:51 PM
Feb 2016

but the photographer says on his blog that it is just another protester. I'm not sure why he posted it unless it was to show that numerous students had the same "look" with the hair and glasses.

jalan48

(13,865 posts)
15. So if the Clinton camp Swift boats Bernie and then she wins the primary we are just supposed
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:11 AM
Feb 2016

to kiss and make up? Really?

greymouse

(872 posts)
20. No.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:18 AM
Feb 2016

I used to vote for the lessor of two evils. Then I realized that guaranteed the choice available would always be between evils.

There are a lot of reasons I don't like Hillary, but lying about her opponent by herself and her surrogates, how anti-Democratic can one get. Dare I use the phrase anti-American? which has been misused so often, but what else would one call corrupting the electoral process.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
66. You're right - Lying is as American as Apple Pie
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:24 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:36 PM - Edit history (1)



You should be ashamed - no sarcasm tag on that...
 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
67. Nope.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:33 PM
Feb 2016

If anyone should be ashamed it's the people running around with their hair on fire attacking a Democratic candidate in such hyperbolic fashion that it's embarrassing to DU. I have zero respect for people who fully embrace right wing positions to attack Hillary.

That poster proved one point in his post correct however: Dare I use the phrase anti-American? which has been misused so often. And now it has again. Anyone trying to claim Hilary is anti-American is on the wrong fucking website.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
72. You're seriously confused
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:42 PM
Feb 2016

It's Team Hillary that is spreading malicious lies and corrupting the democratic process.

Fucking own it, at least. Have the courage of your misguided convictions.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
106. I am neither confused nor misguided.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:29 PM
Feb 2016

And I'll say it again. Anyone trying to claim Hilary is anti-American is on the wrong fucking website.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
109. Perhaps we have different definition of "American"
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:35 PM
Feb 2016

Yours appears to includes lying to get elected. Mine does not.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
117. And I have zero respect for anyone that cuddles up to Kissinger.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:29 PM
Feb 2016

Ask all those poor Cambodian kids Hillary's buddy carpet bombed about running around with their hair on fire.

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
17. David Brock swift boat FAIL.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:12 AM
Feb 2016

I have no issues with Congressman Lewis' recollections of whether he ever met Sanders or not. It's very probable that he never did meet Sanders.

My problem is the Brock Machine is ready to pounce on any untrue smear to besmirch an honorable man's reputation and passionate work.

What Brock did to Anita Hill was disgusting, and while he claims to atone for such horrible tactics, it appears that he's still at it- he's just going after Sanders now.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
30. Bernie is the real deal. First sit-in in the North. Get that? So what if he wasn't in the South?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:24 AM
Feb 2016

He did great work in the North.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
36. The disputed
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:33 AM
Feb 2016

….photo looks like Bernie and this photo settles it.

Wish the powers that oppose him weren't so slithery.

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
42. Five of those photos in his second post
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:40 AM
Feb 2016
https://dektol.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/more-bernie-civil-rights-photos-found/


have him wearing a sweater/top and pants that look the same in the disputed photo.


The different shades are development or lighting

... a little more evidence ...

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
71. The boatneck sweater in these photos is the same. Bezos and his crew are liars devoid of honor.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:38 PM
Feb 2016

I am disgusted beyond words that Hillary's campaign would stoop so low as to hire a former Republican operative. I am suspicious, too, of Brock's claims that he has seen the light and repented of his evil ways, such as his malicious Anita Hill takedown. Conservatives are liars by nature, otherwise they wouldn't BE conservatives. Given the venomous hatred of Hillary by the vast Right-wing Conspiracy – and there can be NO doubt that there is one – it is no big stretch to imagine that Brock might be a particularly devious Trojan Horse inserted into the Clinton campaign to take her down once and for all.

I'm a Bernie supporter through and through, but I'd still like to believe that Hillary might have a tattered remnant of decency left, and that she's been had by some truly vile people.

Just call me Pollyanna.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
91. I share your anger
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:39 PM
Feb 2016

….at Brock.

But I doubt he's a trojan horse. I think his background proves to her he's just the kind of slimy do-anything operative she needs. His ideology is of no consequence to her. I think she'd take Rove as an advisor if he offered himself. She's machiavellian. Which is why I think she's a bad feminist as well. She stands for only one thing—the power and legacy of herself.









gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
105. Sigh...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:22 PM
Feb 2016

... you're probably right. It's just that if all those things are true, then the Democratic Party has been hijacked in a most despicable way by people so rotten that they would aspire to ascend to the level of "despicable." And when you pull on that thread, it unravels a really ugly sweater to expose a virulent cancer at the very heart of our political system: Rapacious corporatism in all its malignant glory. But far worse than that is the fact that so many of the people we admired have eagerly guzzled that Kool Aid. And a horrifying number of our friends here on DU still think the Sun shines out of their nether portals. Bummer...

Did you happen to see that video post a couple of weeks ago featuring a Goldman Sachs trader being interviewed on British TV? That evil little bastard didn't even try to mask the malice that drives that organization, and they are far from alone in their quest for total world domination.

On that cheerful note, I bid you adieu and wish you a happy Valentine's Day.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
138. Don't forget
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:21 PM
Feb 2016

that back in the 1990s, she hired that toe sucker Dick Morris, too. Her conduct this time around is 2008 redux with more shock and awe (see my OP in this forum: Challenging history, authenticity and facts).

HRC's campaign is positively Nixonian. Maybe her emails and speech transcripts will sink her like the Nicon tapes did him.

zazen

(2,978 posts)
154. agreed--Trump v Clinton would be Mussolini v Nixon
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:37 AM
Feb 2016

An awful choice. I'm going to have a hard time voting for her if she wins the general. It sickens me.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
44. There are two students in the new photo and the student on the left looks more like
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:42 AM
Feb 2016

the student in the disputed pic who has been identified as Bruce Rappaport by the Washington Post and others. Yesterday:

Stop sending around this photo of ‘Bernie Sanders’
By Jonathan Capehart February 11 at 5:38 PM



https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/02/11/stop-sending-around-this-photo-of-bernie-sanders/


So I'm not sure this new photo settles anything.

Beowulf

(761 posts)
56. Just looking at the photos
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:05 PM
Feb 2016

I can see the confusion, but when the guy who took the photo says it's Bernie, and that guy has impeccable bona fides as a photographer of the civil rights movement, I think I'll go with the guy who was there and took the photo over the hacks at the Washington Post and Time.

Amaril

(1,267 posts)
82. Guy on the left in the new picture is not the same guy.......
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:23 PM
Feb 2016

....that is in the others. He is wearing white socks. Guy in the other 4 is wearing black socks (look at the top left photo -- the one that is turned sideways).

Response to Amaril (Reply #82)

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
113. Is there nothing you won't stoop to? It's Sanders.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:41 PM
Feb 2016

Who "identified" him as Bruce Rappaport? How did they "identify him as Bruce Rappaport" when the photographer himself says he is Bernie Sanders?

 

Respect 88

(67 posts)
43. Thank you! Proof once again overrides establishment
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:40 AM
Feb 2016

The grandstanding of the establishment against Bernie's life long activism was an outrage! What a breath of fresh air to see this post of pics. BTW - Bernie was arrested during this sit-in.

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
45. No he wasn't arrested from this
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:47 AM
Feb 2016

This sit in was about segregation and discrimination in student living quarters that prohibited blacks living with whites (something like that)

I think it helped lead to the dean asking him to take time off school

Sanders was arrested while demonstrating for desegregated public schools in Chicago in 1962. (a different cause and protest related to civil rights)

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
69. The Assistant State's Attorney said Bernie helped lead the protest
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:36 PM
Feb 2016
Miss Willie Whiting, assistant state's attorney, told the court that the four (William Devine, John Harkins, John Anderson, Bernard Sanders) were in positions of leadership and engineered the demonstration.


Why is there any controversy over this?

How can anyone spread such an easily refutable, malicious lie, and in the face of that shame, still expect the vote of any honorable Democrat?

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
89. Or make the case that his actions didn't pose a risk
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:32 PM
Feb 2016

In this case, it got him arrested. In another case, it had the cops tailing him and taking his flyers on police brutality down right after he was putting them up. It had the dean of his school asking him to take a year off.

If you attended one of these demonstrations, like the March on Washington in 1963 that Sanders did, you risked tear gas, night sticks, arrest or worse.

Aug. 28, 1963 Military police line up at the Washington Monument prior to the March on Washington. Fearing violence from the event, 30 Army helicopters patrolled the skies, swooping low over the Reflecting Pool. Four thousand troops stood ready in the Washington suburbs, and 15,000 paratroopers were placed on standby in North Carolina.


John Lewis was told he had to tone his March on Washington speech down because it was too militant. They feared he'd spark a riot.



Despite the event being organized to be a nonviolent protest, authorities had set up crowd control measures out of fear of a riot breaking out. Military police lined the National Mall and dozens of Army helicopters patrolled the skies over the march. Nearly 6,000 police officers were on duty, as well as 2,000 men from the National Guard. Four thousand soldiers stood at the ready in the D.C. suburbs alone, and 15,000 paratroopers were on standby. The march took place without major incident, however.


Partly due to mistrust and partly due to risk in business or socially, there were not a lot of whites really standing up for blacks in 1962-3. The movement was growing but not there yet. So supporting them got you labeled things like "nigger-lover". About 1/4 of the people in the March on Washington were white. But I bet the vast majority didn't go to work the next day bragging about being at the demonstration. There were still a lot of prejudice people having trouble accepting it.

Actions have consequences. If you protest darn near anything, you're taking some sort of risk - particularly in the early 60s. To suggest Bernie didn't take risks is inaccurate and unfair. John Lewis and MLK took much bigger risks. It got MLK killed and for example, John Lewis was beaten by mobs as a Freedom Rider and in a protest for voting rights at Selma, the cops attacked them and fractured Lewis's skull here:

So to maintain perspective, Bernie actions were not as risky as the ones John Lewis took but he did take some risks standing up for the same cause.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
157. At this link is a lovely photo of John Lewis from 1963, by Danny Lyon who took the Bernie photos
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:18 PM
Apr 2016

This link it to the Museum of Contemporary Photography

John Lewis in Cairo

Accession Number:
2012:127
Artist:
Lyon, Danny
Date:
1963; printed 2010
Medium:
Gelatin silver print
http://www.mocp.org/detail.php?t=objects&type=browse&f=maker&s=Lyon%2C+Danny&record=81

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
53. THANK YOU! Is it CLEAR NOW? Bernie IS NOT a liar, like someone else we know.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:00 PM
Feb 2016

Great post!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

ALBliberal

(2,342 posts)
58. Maybe we should say thanks to HRC/Brock. Bernie is not the boastful type and
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:08 PM
Feb 2016

therefore doesn't talk about this as much as he could. But NOW he will be getting all sorts of publicity on his civil rights bona fides all before the SC primary.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
64. Changing the archive is a whole other level of evil.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:21 PM
Feb 2016

I didn't really care about the photo dispute until now. It was so minor as to be irrelevant.

But this -- THIS -- is like a window into the soul of Hillary supporters. That they would dare change an archive means they have no interest in the truth.

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
94. Censors and trolls are all around us.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:50 PM
Feb 2016

I often use Wikipedia (online) and am dismayed at
how prevalent misinformation is. It is kind of
like our votes via computer verses paper ballots,
it is all about a rigged system and people with
deep pockets.

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
65. There is one thing that has to be remembered. Hillary is an establishment candidate, with
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:23 PM
Feb 2016

establishment contacts. What does this mean? It means access to old phone conversations, emails etc of probably everyone in congress and most people in government.

We have to take what they say with a grain of salt. There might be an old picture out there from 50 years ago of John Lewis giving a woman an innocent peck on the cheek. We wonder why congress never changes, the data keepers never change.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
75. I went off on John Lewis yesterday
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:58 PM
Feb 2016

in a now-hidden post because it angered me that he is now too blind to see that he is being used by a cold, calculating, cutthroat Clinton campaign (alliteration intended lol) to whip potential Black voters in line behind her candidacy, that Hillary takes donations from many of the interests who are literally profiting off of the Black community's misery, that after having solidified himself as a hero he is now vouching for someone who was on the side of the enemy back then, etc.

Many of the civil rights leaders of yesterday are still trying to stay in the fight, but they need to realize that their time to lead should be ceded to the young who are more in touch with the pulse of their young peers. People like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have had difficulty maintaining their "leader" status in the wake of the Black Lives Matter movement, but instead of trying to be the face of leadership of this younger groups and trying to diminish their activism, they should seek to join with them and lend their voices to the youth. John Lewis, through his vocal support of Hillary Clinton, has shown me that he's lost touch with the pulse not only of our youth, but with the ebb and flow of this country's political dynamic and mood.

I don't apologize for what I said about John Lewis because I truly feel he earned those words.

quoddy woman

(38 posts)
78. Lewis
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:16 PM
Feb 2016

Has dragged his reputation through the same slime as Colin Powell. If you look at the young man's hands,there can be no question. He has the longest thumbs I ever saw.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
103. Yes the hands...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:20 PM
Feb 2016

Not only has Bernie been saying the same thing for years, he's been waving his hands around in the same way for years!

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
95. I find it amazing..
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:50 PM
Feb 2016

the fact that some people would first believe that John Lewis would remember every member of SNCC number 1. And, that those same people would believe an article that takes the time to look back into history to try to deny a person who is in a photo, several photos to be exact, somehow isn't there or is trying to use the photo of someone else to prove he/she was a part of the Civil Rights movement in the 60's. Thank you for putting this matter to rest Jarqui, we who are supporters of Sanders are grateful for what you have done.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
110. "...persons went into the archives of the University of Chicago and changed captions..."
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:50 PM
Feb 2016


Someone needs to go to JAIL for that.

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
120. It had to have been done electronically, which may have produced a timestamp.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:55 PM
Feb 2016

They may even have a record of what was written there before, if anything. The university need to clarify.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
130. Dirty Tricks?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:32 PM
Feb 2016
The slander that Bernie was not a very early leader for African American civil rights got so outrageous that persons went into the archives of the University of Chicago and changed captions on Danny Lyon’s 1962 photos, claiming it was Bruce Rappaport standing in Bernie’s clothing leading the demonstration in the Ad Building. These newly discovered pictures, including close up photographs of the student activists show us exactly what Bernie was and what he remains.


This reminds me of the dirty tricks perpetrated by the Nixon campaign.

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
132. Hillary's lying/deceptions reminds me of Nixon more than any
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:48 PM
Feb 2016

other candidate for president.

Both have/had brains. Both have/had experience and good roles in government. But both are/were kind of detached - less human as they lack warmth. And both lied their heads off.

Like Nixon, she'll lie about fairly petty stuff.

Having lived through Tricky Dick, I do not trust her at all. No way. Look at how many sleazy deceptions or lies we're been confronted with in this campaign? I seem to run into something every day now.

There's a darn good reason why 60% of Americans don't trust her. America found out the hard way with Nixon. Hopefully, we can avoid that this time around.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
139. Ditto
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:27 PM
Feb 2016

I called her Nixonian up thread and I remember that fucker, too.

There is no way I can vote for her ever, for anything. Certainly not POTUS

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