2016 Postmortem
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Democrats would be insane to nominate Bernie Sanders (or why NOT to offer a lamb to the GOP)In his article, Dana Milbank addresses the unpleasant fact of how good the GOP is at demonizing and dispatching opponents. We have seen them hounding Hillary Clinton for a couple of decades. We all need to remember that with many people if you repeat a lie often enough they will begin to think it's a reality. This works with, sorry to say it, many people (most are known as "the GOP base" but they are not limited to that group).
Nobody knows this better than the GOP. They count on people being programmable to win elections - well along with voter suppression (and, in a pinch, the Supremes to abort an election and choose who the 'winner' is). It seems many people are blythely oblivious to this fiendish facility of the GOP at McCarthyist politics, in their enthusiasm for their candidate who nobody doubts (in Democratic circles) is a good man. The Dana Milbank article could serve as a good medicament for those enthralled by reveries of Sir Good-at-Heart being victorious over the monstrous malevolence of the GOP - if they are open to his knowledgeable advice (and entreaty?).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-would-be-insane-to-nominate-bernie-sanders/2016/01/26/0590e624-c472-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html
Sanders and his supporters boast of polls showing him, on average, matching up slightly better against Trump than Clinton does. But those matchups are misleading: [font size="+1"]Opponents ("Opponents"?? ...how 'nice' of Dana to not put in print: "the GOP" have been attacking and defining Clinton for a quarter- century, but nobody has really gone to work yet on demonizing Sanders.[/font]
Watching Sanders at Monday nights Democratic presidential forum in Des Moines, I imagined how Trump or another Republican nominee would disembowel the relatively unknown Vermonter.
The first questioner from the audience asked Sanders to explain why he embraces the socialist label and requested that Sanders define it so that it doesnt concern the rest of us citizens.
Sanders, explaining that much of what he proposes is happening in Scandinavia and Germany (a concept that itself alarms Americans who dont want to be like socialized Europe), answered vaguely: Creating a government that works for all of us, not just a handful of people on the top thats my definition of democratic socialism.
But thats not how Republicans will define socialism and theyll have the dictionary on their side. [font size="+1"]Theyll portray Sanders as one who wants the government to own and control major industries and the means of production and distribution of goods. Theyll say he wants to take away private property. That wouldnt be fair, but it would be easy (this is just what the GOP is so masterful at_Bill USA).[/font] Socialists dont win national elections in the United States.
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SheenaR
(2,052 posts)They said the same about African Americans... How'd that go. Sanders would crush Trump. Repubs will be bailing off that train fast. Not concerned at all. And I don't think it would even be close
H2O Man
(73,513 posts)Certainly every president from FDR on has been a socialist.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)I"ll give you that it hasn't happened since the Clinton's (and others) SOLD the Democratic Party to the Koch Bros.
But It has happened and Will again!
jfern
(5,204 posts)So you really don't have to go back very far for that.
djean111
(14,255 posts)This might be more germane to, well, anything at all, when a nominee is chosen.
Sound like you are carrying the he's a Commie Socialist!!!! water for the RW, is all this sounds like.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)"We all need to remember that with many people if you repeat a lie often enough they will begin to think it's a reality. This works with, sorry to say it, many people (most are known as "the GOP base" but they are not limited to that group). "
djean111
(14,255 posts)Evidently the fact that, no matter how many times you post this stuff, you will not influence anyone to switch to supporting Hillary,
has escaped your keen intellect.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)attempt at personal insult on your part? The meaning of the OP and article excerpted was clear and obvious. You chose to insult me.
Accusing others of something you are guilty of is a devious tactic. You are good at it. I'll give you that.
I'm simpler. I just try to make my point. .. as it was clearly made in the OP.
as to Sanders people being oblivious to certain parts of reality, see: "..True Believer"
djean111
(14,255 posts)long time now, here at DU. You are either being disingenuous, or are new and have not been following the skirmishes here.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)skills at demonization and fear mongering against a Sanders candidacy.
If you want to complain about something else, start your own thread.
artislife
(9,497 posts)But what will make it worse for her is that there is a large section of the population that does not like her personally at all. They wouldn't let her buy them a dinner.
Bernie doesn't have that level of personal animosity leveled at him. It is only issue based.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)They are profficient in it. This is the talk of someone who needs to hide/suppress feelings of being small, intimidated and frightened by the "big" people around him. He's afraid others will see what how inadequate he feels so, by trying to denigrate the "other guy" he feels this will compensate for his feelings of fear and feeling small.
As I said, this is the kind of talk the GOP are so proficient in. It's referred to Punk Talk.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Oh, and bwahahahaha!
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)you should go over to discussionist...LOL!
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)well they do love her, but something tells me they may not vote for her. But then again I am no Dana Milbank, so what do I know?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)This is what will happen if you don't vote for Hillary:
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)'cause I'm voting for Bernie!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Sorry your scare tactics didn't work.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Maybe next time, we'll learn to value honesty, and not the top bidder.
...Who am I kidding? Of course we won't.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)I would sooner fear, say, the power of corporations. Get what I mean?
--imm
Hekate
(90,565 posts)They think we can just start over and make it better....
Seriously.
Autumn
(44,986 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)OOGA BOOGA THE BOOGYMAN GONNA GET YA!
That's an inspiring campaign message. And it's not even true, by the actual data we have to go on right now.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)That's why we're going to nominated Sanders, who will beat Trump and all the others in the general election.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Don't worry, Bernie will win and he will be the President. Feel the Bern!!!
Broward
(1,976 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)Trump is showing some serious aptitude as a politician, but let's see what happens when he's forced to get into issues in depth.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Be terrified!!!
Works on rubes and Republicans. Our brains are different. Look at the science. Republicans are motivated by fear.
Sorry, wrong audience.
Autumn
(44,986 posts)And this OP is a piss poor example of fear-mongering. Have fun
Vinca
(50,237 posts)that she's still around. GOP "hounding" often sounds like a riot at the psychiatric hospital and people laugh at it more often than take it seriously. I think Bernie would be happy to describe socialism and he might invoke Social Security, Medicare, the military, the Interstate highway system and the snowplow that comes down the road during a blizzard. We're way more socialistic than most people realize and it's the most socialized programs that are loved the most.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 31, 2016, 08:30 PM - Edit history (1)
We have seen slime thrown at him from Clinton supporters nonstop from numerous threads implying he was a racist, to trying to claim he thinks there is a link between cervical cancer and orgasms based on a four decade old citation of a medical journal, to claims he is in to rape fantasies based on a decades old quote taken out of context.
Despite the nasty smears we have been hearing for months Clinton supporters are still trying to claim he hasn't been vetted. Well guess what, he has been thoroughly vetted by Clinton supporters like David Brock but it is the Brock's of the world who have come out looking bad rather than Bernie.
Clinton on the other hand did not come out standing strong after her vetting and all you need to do is look at her unfavorable numbers to see that.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)News flash Bill:
The wheels have come off the Coronation Express and "skeery skeery Trump" tool won't put them back on.
Sorry.
Have a nice evening.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)"Dreary", "inauthentic", "phony", "uninspiring".
"Her reflexive secrecy causes a whiff of scandal to follow her everywhere"
Etc
I notice you carefully excised all that stuff from the part you quoted.