Nate Silver: "Bernie Sanders is the only candidate with positive favorability rating"

[Indepatriot]

Last edited Tue Jan 19, 2016, 03:08 PM - Edit history (2)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/01/19/1471588/-Nate-Bernie-Sanders-is-the-only-candidate-in-either-party-with-a-net-positive-favorability-rating



Fixed the link, and the header. It is the author's opinion on Sanders beating Trump, but it is Nate's findings that Sanders is the only candidate with a net positive favoribilty rating. The Rabble just don't like or trust Hillary....

[Dretownblues]

1. Can you separate the Kaboom from the link so that it will work, thanks

[tk2kewl]

2. link is 404

is this what you're looking for?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/18/1471588/-Nate-Bernie-Sanders-is-the-only-candidate-in-either-party-with-a-net-positive-favorability-rating

[ejbr]

41. !

true dat

[PatrynXX]

51. yeah but

I like the fact you made me think during a tension headache (have had one off an on for a week and a half. getting rear ended when it started the day before hand didn't help much kinda easy to fix the link once someone said there's a kaboom problem. I play with links all the time. usually to find hidden pictures. but sometimes because some nut added a space or a . in the wrong spot. I tend to be a trouble shooter so I probably would have figured out Kaboom was a problem


Still that last debate probably changed everything. She shouldn't have acted so cold. Bill's smile generally seems genuine but hillary's is smile is like rather forced. and again you can't win without the independents and I guess my Independent side has been showing more so certain people who thought I was rather left wing are looking at me a bit better nowadays. Some Republicans I know actually don't mind Bernie but they sure have a harsh opinion of Hillary even if I consider her Conservative and they think she's Liberal. eh maybe she used to be but not now and not in the past decade. And anyone who sends their daughter out to do their dirty work is asking for trouble. Palin knows all about that and keeps sending Bristol out. No wonder she's had 2 kids outside of marriage. Works off the tension by sleeping around

[sufrommich]

3. Page not found at your link.

My guess is the Nate Silver never said this,please link to the actual quote.

[NorthCarolina]

5. "Page Doesn't Exist"

is the error I get when I click on the link.

[tk2kewl]

6. .

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/18/1471588/-Nate-Bernie-Sanders-is-the-only-candidate-in-either-party-with-a-net-positive-favorability-rating

[Bjornsdotter]

7. Working Link...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/01/19/1471588/-Nate-Bernie-Sanders-is-the-only-candidate-in-either-party-with-a-net-positive-favorability-rating

[Melissa G]

15. Hillary folks will be along shortly to throw Nate under the bus.

Last edited Wed Jan 20, 2016, 10:52 PM - Edit history (1)

The man speaks truth net favorabilty is a big factor. Where is that lovely chart of past presidential wins that has that as the factor?
edit for chart

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511035156

Appendix

If you have any lingering doubt about what I am saying, refer to this table and ask yourself, is the Corporate Media correct in declaring who is "electable" and who is "unelectable":

[NCTraveler]

45. "Hillary folks will be along shortly to throw Nate under the bus."

Can you define "shortly" and then provide some links to Clinton supporters throwing Nate under the bus if we are in said time-frame?

[KittyWampus]

55. LOL! Sanders supporters already have many, many times. How do you not see that.

LOLZ

[Agschmid]

68. They see and hear what they want to.

[2pooped2pop]

77. I have a kettle to introduce you to.

[JudyM]

40. Interesting that his opinion is apparently not hanging on numbers, but also on outside events.

So if the economy and terrorism don't dominate the pre-election news cycle, is Hillary more likely to win?

I suppose this is why he's calling it his personal opinion rather than his expert opinion.

Thanks for posting.

[Punkingal]

8. Bwahahahahahahahaha!

[MelissaB]

9. Link:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/01/19/1471588/-Nate-Bernie-Sanders-is-the-only-candidate-in-either-party-with-a-net-positive-favorability-rating

[sufrommich]

11. There is no such quote from Nate Silver at this link. nt

[Punkingal]

17. Here is what he said:

My personal thought is the only way to win against Trump is with Bernie Sanders.

[Agschmid]

19. Nope he didn't say that.

Try again... Read the link.

If he did I wouldn't have a problem with it, but he didn't say it.

[Punkingal]

23. I dd read it....it's there.

[Agschmid]

28. Yes and it's outside of quotes...

Because it's not Nate's words it's the authors words from Kos.

Nate didn't say it...

[greiner3]

70. Say, aren't you poster who wants verbatim

Words spoken by a push polled that takes 30 seconds to read. If the poster says "to the best of my recollection" its crap to you.

[Gore1FL]

44. Nate silver didn't say it. mikevadon said it in the paragraph follwoing a quote by Silver.

Here is the Nate Silver piece in its entirety:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-really-unpopular-with-general-election-voters/

[Punkingal]

67. I know, i already answered.

[Punkingal]

30. Ok...author said it, not Nate. My bad.

[Agschmid]

31. Thanks.

[sufrommich]

21. No,that's what some guy at Daily Kos said. This is a complete lie. nt

[Punkingal]

33. See post 30.

You don't need to call me a liar because I mis-read something. I am not a liar.

[sufrommich]

34. I wasn't referring to you,I was referring to the OP.

It's a lie.

[Punkingal]

36. OK, thanks.

[BlueState]

25. Silver most certainly did not say that.

The author of the article on Daily Kos said that and while referencing a quote from NS.

This is the original article from FiveThirtyEight that contains the quote.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-really-unpopular-with-general-election-voters/

[MelissaB]

20. Quote:

My personal thought is the only way to win against Trump is with Bernie Sanders. I feel like the economy is getting worse and a recession is very possible at this point. I feel there might be more acts of terrorism. The economy and terrorism will be closely associated with Hillary Clinton in quite a few ways. Senator Bernie Sanders is an outsider and not as associated with the economy and whats going on overseas. Many of his plans and ideas, such as breaking up the big banks, will soften up these financial panics which are bound to happen.

I could see us in November with the economy on fire and some major act of terrorism which has taken place. Trump is standing there saying “I told you so.” and leading in the polls. The more I think about it, the more I believe Hillary Clinton is not “electable”. Sanders is very insulated from the things going on in the world and, in fact, he will be the one standing there saying “I told you so.”

Looking at it again, I think this quote is by the author, mikevadon, building on what Nate Silver said.

[Agschmid]

22. Yup.

Again nothing wrong with having that thought but it certainly isn't Nate's quote.

[BlueState]

12. Nate Silver did not say this

The headline of this post is disingenuous. Nate Silver is quoted as saying Bernie is the only candidate that has net positive favorability rating.

It is the author of the article who states:

"My personal thought is the only way to win against Trump is with Bernie Sanders. I feel like the economy is getting worse and a recession is very possible at this point."

[NCTraveler]

26. Love this.

[Agschmid]

35. At least they are honest.

[1StrongBlackMan]

13. So know Nate Silver is wearing the white hat? Just the other day (for the last few months) ...

he was a no account, know nothing, hack.

[Agschmid]

18. I'm sure once they realize he didn't say this...

He will be a partisan know nothing hack again. It seems no one read the link... As usual.

[sufrommich]

32. Yep.nt

[Agschmid]

16. Hmmm.... Completely made up quote.

What else is new?

[NCTraveler]

24. Things Nate never said for $200, Alex. nt.

[Agschmid]

29. Oh boy... That's a sexy lady? Ummm no.

Lindsay Lohan what happened to you?!?!?

From the Parent Trap to 404 pages everywhere...

[m-lekktor]

37. I would be shocked if he actually said this! lol nt

[Dawgs]

38. Doesn't matter if that snake oil salesman said it... it's still true. n/t

[OilemFirchen]

54. Stealing NCTraveler's post:

Love this.

[emulatorloo]

39. Mike Vandon: "My personal feeling is that the only way to beat Trump is with Bernie Sanders"

[LynneSin]

42. I think any democrat can beat Trump

Hillary needs a young VP that can get the crowd engaged. If she brings in one of the Castro brothers she would be unbeatable in the general election.

People cite the 2000/2004 election about how the voters weren't excited about Gore and Kerry. There is reason for that - Gore and Kerry both picked dismal VPs that brought nothing to the table. Obama was the excitement but needed experience which is why he brought someone like Biden in for his ticket. That pairing work. A great Pres/VP ticket has one candidate with the experience combined with one candidate that brings excitement to the ticket (but is well qualified. Palin was suppose to be the 'excitement' but was hardly qualified)

Hillary does have excitement, I'll be happy to campaign for her and equally as much as I would for Sanders or O'Malley. But I think that Hillary needs to learn from 2000/2004 that if she picks a boring VP choice she will lose voters. (Same with O'Malley and even Sanders). We have a great opportunity to reach out to either Hispanic voters or African-American voters with a choice like the one of the Castro brothers or perhaps even Senator Cory Booker. If we ignore minority voters then it will hurt us.

[grasswire]

48. Hillary isn't going to need a VP

She's not going to win the nomination.

[Agschmid]

57. And the OP apparently doesn't need facts.

[LynneSin]

74. Well I'm here to support whomever wins the nomination

Biden is out and my primary is late in the season. Plus with 3 electoral votes hardly anyone cares who wins Delaware other than us Delawareans.

She could very well win it or maybe something will happen and O'Malley will. I'll be happy to campaign like crazy for whomever that final nominee is including Bernie. I adore all of them.

[TygrBright]

43. Please don't try to "help" Bernie by posting misleading thread titles

Nate Silver said nothing of the sort.

A Kos diarist chose to interpret a Silver article on Trump's favorability that way.

Every marketer knows the real key to success: UNDER-promise and OVER-deliver.

Increasing the noise-to-signal ratio is counter-productive, to say the least.

wearily,
Bright

[Dawson Leery]

47. The professional left can only "win" by lying.

Nate never said this. He said that Bernie has a net favorability rating. It is not stellar though.

[KingCharlemagne]

61. "Professional left"??? - WTF, are you a part of the professional right???? - nt

[KingFlorez]

49. He didn't say that

This is an outright lie.

[kjones]

50. Edit: That's better nt

[Squinch]

52. Given that Nate never said this, the decent thing to do would be to take this down.

[brooklynite]

53. MISLEADING

Nate Silver did not say "My personal feeling is that the only way to beat Trump is with Bernie Sanders". That was a statement by the blogger (mikevadon) made after posting a quote from Silver about Sanders' favorability.

Nate Silver quote:

“We’ve got an unpopular set of presidential candidates this year– Bernie Sanders is the only candidate in either party with a net-positive favorability rating — but Trump is the most unpopular of all. His favorability rating is 33 percent, as compared with an unfavorable rating of 58 percent, for a net rating of -25 percentage points. By comparison Hillary Clinton, whose favorability ratings are notoriously poor, has a 42 percent favorable rating against a 50 percent unfavorable rating, for a net of -8 points. Those are bad numbers, but nowhere near as bad as Trump’s.”

Mikevadon quote:

My personal thought is the only way to win against Trump is with Bernie Sanders. I feel like the economy is getting worse and a recession is very possible at this point. I feel there might be more acts of terrorism. The economy and terrorism will be closely associated with Hillary Clinton in quite a few ways. Senator Bernie Sanders is an outsider and not as associated with the economy and whats going on overseas. Many of his plans and ideas, such as breaking up the big banks, will soften up these financial panics which are bound to happen.

[brooklynite]

69. Apparently this was alerted on, and a Jury decided it was OK...

On Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:00 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

Nate Silver: "My personal feeling is that the only way to beat Trump is with Bernie Sanders"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511030814

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

The OP is falsely attributing a quote to Nate Silver, and has not corrected it despite numerous responses pointing out the error.

JURY RESULTS

Someone else already alerted on this post before you alerted on it, and only the first alert was sent to a Jury. A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of the post on Tue Jan 19, 2016, 01:16 PM, and voted 3-4 to keep IT. Please note that even though your alert was not sent to a Jury, it has been forwarded to the Administrators who review all alerts.

[lark]

56. You really need to change this, it's untrue and you are now aware of this.

Yet the blatantly wrong title remains, why?

[Agschmid]

62. Ummm...

[tarheelsunc]

59. 35 recs for something that's a blatant lie... really makes you wonder. eom

[Agschmid]

63. Yes it does.

[Dawson Leery]

65. This site, kos, the YT have been hijacked by the far left.

Hopefully Skinner understands why I do not send donations.

[SoapBox]

60. Well...

I see The Swarm was here.

[Agschmid]

64. Any input on the factual basis of the OP title?

- The Swarm

[Gore1FL]

78. The OP updated by the time you made your post

Your Post 72 would be one of those mistakes you'll need to own.

[Godhumor]

79. Indeed, you are correct. My mistake. N/t

[CSStrowbridge]

71. This is crap.

Hillary Clinton's favorability rating is -8. There's only two GOPers that have ratings that are significantly better than hers, and neither of them are as well know as her. One of them is Carson, who will likely drop out after Iowa.

Trump's rating is 27% with independents.

Hillary Clinton would crush Trump in the General Election.

[Z_California]

73. The headline should be changed on this OP

And the comment "the professional left can only win by lying" is so ironic coming from a Hillary supporter. Those kinds of smears won't fly because "the left" is very well informed.

[Squinch]

75. As I said before, given that this is completely false, the decent thing would be to take it down.

You appear not to be doing that.

Hmmm..... that makes you...... well. You know.

[Indepatriot]

76. The header and the OP were changed, the decent thing would be to read it, that makes you well...

[KittyWampus]

80. Stating the obvious- Sanders has never been put throught the rightwing attack machine.