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Sun Feb 18, 2018, 02:33 PM

Black holes...this is a pure hypothesis about them...

I promise, this is my last of my opening posts in science today (god, I love it). I enjoyed the posts on star formations (when and why etc.), but I had another 'gee whiz' ? about black holes.

First of all, they seem fantastic that they exist, despite being in Albert E's equations and he didn't even think that they (black holes) would actually exist. But they do (exist). Also, a greater and faster expansion of the universe continues today. Unexpected and surprising to those in the know about these things.


So, if (1) universe is expanding (most noticeable in-between the galaxies) and (2) there are greater and greater in numbers of black holes being created since day 1 AND according to Hawkings, black holes exist for a very long time but will eventually dissipate over perhaps trillions of years, that the ...


increasing number of black holes in the universe on a daily basis power the faster expansion of the universe (e.g. they both seem to increase in step w/ each other).


Physics break down within black holes (unable to adequate express equation wise, events within black holes). Could some facet of the already identified dimensions (26 (I think) was the last number of dimensions speculated about by those in the know here) be interacting in some way unknown to us to loop about and feed the ever increasing expansion of the universe?

That's my ? in a nutshell. I hope I wasn't rambling on, but this has been in my mind for a long time, and I was curious what you all think.

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SWBTATTReg Feb 2018 OP
PJMcK Feb 2018 #1
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PJMcK Feb 2018 #4
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Response to SWBTATTReg (Original post)

Sun Feb 18, 2018, 03:02 PM

1. Your question is confusing

Like you, I love Science. It provides a self-regulating system for learning and it builds on itself over time.

The confusion I have about your question is because of several of your assumptions.

Are there "greater and greater" numbers of black holes being created? How do we know this?

How is the relationship between the expansion of the universe and the creation of black holes determined? How does that relationship interact?

We don't know the nature of Dark Energy or Dark Matter but we know they exist. Isn't Dark Energy already known to have an influence on the universe's expansion?

We're not really sure what happens on the other side of an event horizon. Even the most ardent astrophysicists will acknowledge that they only have educated theories about the physics inside a black hole.

The 26 dimensions you referenced come from String Theory, I assume. There's still an awful lot about that theory that is in question, isn't there? Nonetheless, as humans, we are unable to perceive even a fourth dimension. How does that idea influence your proposal?

Regardless of my layman's questions, your idea is intriguing! Who knows what really happens when you fall into a black hole? Could they be portals out of our universe and into another? Is there an entirely different set of physics in there?

I hadn't read Dr. Hawking's idea that black holes will dissipate over vastly long time periods. That's fascinating but not surprising since nothing in nature stays the same. The far distant future looks pretty bleak: Eventually, all the stars will burn out, the universe will keep speeding outwards, the black holes will fade away and it will be cold and dark. We're lucky to live in the time we do!

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 18, 2018, 09:30 PM

3. Black hole discussion...



Are there "greater and greater" numbers of black holes being created? How do we know this?
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One thing I read is that in some of the things being detected, the energies being detected can't be generated by chemical or nuclear sources in nature (the magnitudes are simply too great of a difference). The only available source of energy able to generate this kind of energy that they are detected is gravity (that we know of, perhaps 'dark energy too may play a role here?).

Thus, besides being detected in almost all of the centers of galaxies examined, black holes have been detected when they collide together, w/ a new detector built in I think, Louisiana and Washington state. They had a show on PBS/Nova on 'Black Holes', a neat show, from of course, one of my favorites, Nova. Since per the Hawking idea that black holes will dissipate over a vast amount of time (trillions of years) means that as time goes on, stars go supernova per regular process, some turn into black holes. Others explode and scatter their elements to the universe and create more stars, etc.

In short, black holes are constantly being created but not destroyed on a 1-to-1 basis. Hence my conclusion that there are still lots of black holes out there, which is constantly growing. The only way we can detect a black hole is if there is raw materials being dumped into it, e.g., other close stars, other black holes, gas, etc. Otherwise, we would never know that a black hole is there, unless we purely by chance look in a direction and see a distortion (black hole wrapping space/light around it and we see from afar).
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How is the relationship between the expansion of the universe and the creation of black holes determined? How does that relationship interact?

I don't know, but would love to know if possible. What other mechanism already existing, cause the speeding up and expansion of the universe? Kind of like an 'expanding shockwave', where it gets greater and greater as it goes along.
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We don't know the nature of Dark Energy or Dark Matter but we know they exist. Isn't Dark Energy already known to have an influence on the universe's expansion?

I've heard that it has a role in formation of galaxies and their shapes (their spiral shapes in particular), I didn't know about the universe's expansion being powered by dark energy, and would not surprise me, being that dark energy / dark matter makes up a major part of the cosmos.
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We're not really sure what happens on the other side of an event horizon. Even the most ardent astrophysicists will acknowledge that they only have educated theories about the physics inside a black hole.

I agree!
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The 26 dimensions referenced:

Yes, string theory. And yes, there are 3 competing theories out there (to your statement that there is still an awful lot about these competing theories in question).
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Perceive even a fourth dimension.

I have no idea how it would influence my proposal, nor I would know how you would even prove it, if even you could, given all of the money and technology that would do it (if possible).
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Fascinating, isn't it? The other side of a black hole is as unknown as anything in this universe could ever be. Portals? A self-regenerating mechanism put in place by physics that we don't understand? They do say the physics as we know it break down, so you are right, there is a different set of physics perhaps. Who knows?


We're lucky to live in the time we do! You are absolutely right about this, a 100%!! A fascinating topic, wish we could find out more! Take care!

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 18, 2018, 09:36 PM

4. Thanks!

Great responses to my questions.

This is why Science s fascinating. We can discuss and argue ideas and theories based on the knowledges that we have.

Have a good week, SWBTATTReg.

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 18, 2018, 09:56 PM

5. You too, Mr. NYC, you have a good week! Nice weather is on its way to you ...

here shortly. We in St Louis MO expect to have temps of +70 degrees tomorrow! Wow! It will be on its way to you, so you enjoy! Pleasure is all mine, and thanks for the discussion. I've learned something!

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Original post)

Sun Feb 18, 2018, 07:44 PM

2. There is no proof that black holes exist

They are the best accepted explanation of observations about the universe.
You can say the same thing about gravity. No one “doubts” it exists, but there is no
succint explanation of what it is or why it exists.
Black holes, like gravity, have been defined by observations.

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