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Behind the Aegis

(53,951 posts)
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 04:37 AM Jul 2017

Roger Waters, Linda Sarsour, Leading BDS Down Black Hole of Anti-Semitism

THIS IS THE JEWISH GROUP!!


A recent Los Angeles Times editorial (July 8) criticized Israel for barring certain BDS (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) activists from entering its borders. The Times presents the global movement as merely “an opinion in favor of a nonviolent protest movement that is unpopular in the country.”


The Times acknowledged that Israel is “a strong democracy marked by vigorous debate and a tolerance of alternative points of view, at least for its own citizens inside its own borders.” Indeed, Israel’s raucous democratic tent is large enough to include the full spectrum of political and social debate and dissent representing its over 8 million Jewish and Arab citizens. That’s reflected in daily debates in its Knesset and in overheated, hyperactive media.


But democracies also have the right to defend themselves from those seeking their destruction.


Today, the BDS movement serves as the tipping point of an asymmetrical war of demonization, de-legitimization, and ultimately doing away with the Jewish state.


That BDSers use words rather than bullets does not make it goals and tactics less malevolent.

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Roger Waters, Linda Sarsour, Leading BDS Down Black Hole of Anti-Semitism (Original Post) Behind the Aegis Jul 2017 OP
Roger Waters has repeatedly made the point... TrogL Jul 2017 #1
Fact. Anyone who accuses Waters of being am anti-semite is Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2017 #2
You're confusing facts with opinions. Facts are true. Opinions are not. grossproffit Jul 2017 #4
I am not. The poster I replied to said Waters Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2017 #11
Bullshit. He's a Jew hater. Period. grossproffit Jul 2017 #3
Flag of the Israeli state TrogL Jul 2017 #5
A Star of David on a Pig is pure Jew hatred. grossproffit Jul 2017 #6
The last time I saw the flying pig it had multiple symbols on it TrogL Jul 2017 #7
And what is that on the Israeli flag? Behind the Aegis Jul 2017 #8
Non-Jews do not get to tell us what our symbols mean. EllieBC Jul 2017 #12
STANDING OVATION! grossproffit Jul 2017 #13
Sorry, you're right. I've been Jew-splaining TrogL Jul 2017 #16
Wrong word. Behind the Aegis Jul 2017 #18
Yeah, I belatedly figured that out but wasn't near a network to fix it TrogL Jul 2017 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author TrogL Jul 2017 #9
Here. Let Roger explain it TrogL Jul 2017 #10
Open Letter to Roger Waters. grossproffit Jul 2017 #14
The one thing the ADL missed in that letter. Behind the Aegis Jul 2017 #15
That's actually a good point TrogL Jul 2017 #17

TrogL

(32,822 posts)
1. Roger Waters has repeatedly made the point...
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 07:20 AM
Jul 2017

...that his issue is with the Israeli government's treatment of the Palestinian people, not the Jewish people nor religion.

TrogL

(32,822 posts)
7. The last time I saw the flying pig it had multiple symbols on it
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 03:00 PM
Jul 2017

The shows coming here in October. I'll see what it looks like then

Behind the Aegis

(53,951 posts)
8. And what is that on the Israeli flag?
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 04:52 PM
Jul 2017

Why, it is Star of David, which is a symbol of Jewish people. Did you not know that? That is why this flag:



represents those of us who are gay and Jewish.

This is a symbol of the Jewish people:



Do you really not understand a Star of David, just by itself, is a representation of JEWS not Israel?!

EllieBC

(3,013 posts)
12. Non-Jews do not get to tell us what our symbols mean.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 07:35 PM
Jul 2017

The Magen David has long been a Jewish symbol. And yes it's on the flag of Israel. But it's a symbol in Judaism that represents Judaism. So all you antisemites can stick it. You don't get to tell us what our symbols mean. Do you go and tell other groups what everything should mean to them? No you don't because that's not allowed. I know Jews aren't afforded the same respect as other minority groups.

Behind the Aegis

(53,951 posts)
18. Wrong word.
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 02:37 AM
Jul 2017

The modifier describes the majority member, not the group being 'splained to. If we are talked down to while relaying information about what homo/biphobia is to us, then that is straightsplain', not gay/bisplainin', or as one bigot here called it, homosplanin'. In this instance, it is called gentilesplainin', not "Jew-splaining", which is problematic on its own.

Response to grossproffit (Reply #3)

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
14. Open Letter to Roger Waters.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 08:00 PM
Jul 2017

Over the past few years, you have incorporated Jewish imagery into your concert performances, painting a Star of David on your famous floating pig alongside other symbols, including a dollar sign and the sickle and hammer. You repeatedly rejected accusations of a malicious subtext to the use of the Star of David, assuring fans that you were in no way equating Jews with money or communism. We took you at your word, and defended your actions as artistic expression void of anti-Semitic intent.
In recent months, however, your relentless attacks against Israel and calls for a boycott of the Jewish State have caused us to reexamine your attitude towards Jews.

In your July 25th letter to your “Colleagues in Rock and Roll” you offered full-throated unambiguous support for the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement, writing that their goal is “to bring international attention to these Israeli polices [of ‘occupation of the West Bank and violations of international law and Palestinian human rights’] and hopefully, to help bring them to an end,” and imploring other musicians to join you in refusing to perform in Israel.

Important details are omitted from your letter, which is a classic propaganda technique. Why didn’t you point out that one of the stated objectives of the BDS movement, promoting a complete right of return for all Palestinians classified as refugees and the creation of a bi-national state, would result in the end of the Jewish character of the State of Israel and destroy Jewish national self-determination? Your writing also makes no mention of Palestinian terrorism, nor does it provide any context to the complex nature of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Hamas, a terrorist organization which continues to advocate for Israel’s destruction, is entirely absent from your letter.

Where is your voice calling for a boycott of China for their persecution of Buddhists, or the persecution of Muslims by Buddhists in Myanmar? Why not Russia for its ongoing suppression of government opposition figures, and recent enactment of homophobic legislation? Not only have you never called for boycotts of those countries, you actually played concerts in both China and Russia during the past few years. You also seemed to have no qualms about performing earlier this month in Istanbul, despite Turkey’s questionable human rights record in dealing with its Kurdish population, as well as the previous month’s brutal government crackdown on protesters at Taksim Park.

https://www.adl.org/news/media-watch/open-letter-to-roger-waters

The End.

Behind the Aegis

(53,951 posts)
15. The one thing the ADL missed in that letter.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 08:26 PM
Jul 2017

The Turkish occupation of Cyprus. If his protests/concerns are about "occupation", then why play Turkey which is currently occupying Cyprus and ethnically cleansed the Greeks for their homes?

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