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Staph

(6,245 posts)
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:10 PM Mar 2019

I'm a United Methodist. A very unhappy United Methodist.

But I found this posted on a West Virginia progressive UM Facebook page.




For those, like me, not on Twitter, here's the Thread Reader version. The original tweet is from Diana Butler Bass, author, speaker, and independent scholar specializing in American religion and culture. (And WCA is the Wesleyan Covenant Association, a organization of conservative United Methodist churches who are gloating on their success at the 2019 General Conference.)


A wee reminder to my #UMC friends -- Methodism began as a spiritual movement to renew a decaying institutional church and serve the outcast, the marginalized, and the poor.

It is the WCA "traditionalists" who are NOT traditional. They are like 18th century Anglicans (sorry Anglican friends!) who tried to quash a spiritual movement of inclusion and love.

It is the WCA "traditionalists" who are appealing to authority and order and ecclesial control -- like the Anglican bishops who criticized and chastised John Wesley and the early Methodists.

Early Methodism was messy, based in small groups, empowered women, gave enslaved persons a sense of freedom, and created a vision of justice and liberation.

There is NOTHING "traditional" about Methodists saying "no" to the Spirit's movements of liberating love.

More traditional Christians were horrified by Methodism. They thought it was a faith for the "unwashed rabble."

Anyone who claims to be a Methodist but who acts like an 18th century Anglican prelate is NOT faithful to Methodist tradition.

Anyone who says there are limits to whose hearts get strangely warmed are NOT faithful to Methodist tradition.

The deepest Methodist identity is that of hearts on fire with love, of risk and rebellion, of holy revolutions, of challenging ecclesial authorities who say "NO," of listening to the voices of the outcast.

The people who are currently claiming to be "traditional" are really innovators and revisionists. They are turning you into something you aren't.

If you want to open your doors, open the table, love those who society hates, risk all for the sake of mercy, well, then you are real Methodists.

So remember: John Wesley did not start a church. He wanted to renew a church that had become narrow, moralistic, cold. He wanted to renew it through new hearts, a courageous spirit, community that included the least & the unwanted, and passion for Jesus.

It was a FEARLESS spiritual movement.

FEARLESS. Without courage and risking all for love, there would be no Methodists.

Be not afraid. Be traditional! Be fearless. Go forth. Hearts on fire. You are being called back to your roots. The world is your pulpit.

Don't let anybody -- don't let any rule -- silence you. Wesley didn't.

The great historian Don Matthews wrote that early American Methodism was "a volatile, alienated, defiant, and charismatic" movement that empowered "those who were demeaned and degraded" w/a revolutionary sense of God's liberating love. ("Religion in the Old South," UChiPress)

If you don't know that history, learn it. Methodism only got "nice" when it accommodated to slavery. So, the "traditionalist" Methodism that is taking over your church is complicit with white supremacy & slave-holding.

But there was always another Methodism -- the kind that shook the American South to its core in the 18th century -- the revolutionary, inclusive, heart-centered, Jesus-fired Methodism that scared authorities (mostly white men, according to Matthews).

It is time for colonized Methodism to go away and the real Methodist tradition to get reborn (Methodists like rebirths!). To be the rambunctious rebels against unjust societies and the unholiness of the dominions of this world.

And yes, Methodists once scared people.

ISN'T THAT GREAT?!

And the people they scared the most were white male land -- and slave -- holders.

METHODISTS SCARED THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

But the powerful got you -- twisted your desire for holy living into niceness and used your longing for a new spiritual order into a polity of conformity to control your raging, risky Methodist hearts.

They scared you with threats of chaos and loss of status and even the possibility of your livelihoods.

And isn't that interesting? Just when Methodists are getting brave again, standing up for those w/o voice, including the excluded, redressing racism and working for women's equality, the heirs to those 19th century white guys basically come back threatening all the same stuff.

Do NOT let them do it again.

Fool you once.

Set history a-right. You've got a real chance here to be the sort of Methodists your founding generation dreamed.



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I'm a United Methodist. A very unhappy United Methodist. (Original Post) Staph Mar 2019 OP
That's great! And I'm a humanist no_hypocrisy Mar 2019 #1
The author is very good! Has the vote taken place yet?? bobbieinok Mar 2019 #2
Yes it has and is under judicial review. JohnnyLib2 Mar 2019 #3
The vote took place on Tuesday, February 26. Staph Mar 2019 #7
The effect of the recent decision to withhold inclusion will only hurt them Tobin S. Mar 2019 #4
Thanks for posting. The vote has prompted plenty of upheaval. JohnnyLib2 Mar 2019 #5
Let Jesus explain... Karadeniz Mar 2019 #6
Local Church zipplewrath Mar 2019 #8
I'm on the communications team at my church. Staph Mar 2019 #9
Might be behind a paywall. zipplewrath Mar 2019 #10
Thanks! Staph Mar 2019 #11
You're always welcomed at the Episcopal Church. Sparky1 Jul 2019 #12

Staph

(6,245 posts)
7. The vote took place on Tuesday, February 26.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:33 PM
Mar 2019

The "traditionalist" plan won 438 to 384. Roughly 45% of the delegates are from outside the United States, and they voted overwhelmingly for that plan. I'm told that if the vote was just the US delegates, two-thirds would have voted for the One Church plan.

The Traditional Plan in a nutshell: LGBTQ folks can be members but not clergy. Punishment for clergy who officiate at same-sex marriages is one-year suspension without pay for the first offence and loss of job and pension for a second offence.

The One Church plan: Decisions on human sexuality are made at the individual church level. LGBTQ folks are welcome as members (as they are now and have been for decades!). Each church can make its own decision about having LGBTQ clergy leading their church and if same-sex marriages can take place within that church. (BTW - UM clergy have always had the ability to tell a couple that they will not perform the marriage ceremony. My pastor says that she has refused several couples over the years, because it was obvious to her that the couple was not ready for marriage and they had refused to go through pre-marriage counseling.)


Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
4. The effect of the recent decision to withhold inclusion will only hurt them
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:28 PM
Mar 2019

as gay people go elsewhere. In a country where many congregations are shrinking, the recent decision to exclude gays will only worsen that problem for the Methodist church.

JohnnyLib2

(11,206 posts)
5. Thanks for posting. The vote has prompted plenty of upheaval.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:28 PM
Mar 2019

I think some splits and regrouping are coming, ready or not.

Karadeniz

(22,267 posts)
6. Let Jesus explain...
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:33 PM
Mar 2019

Remember the Sower and the seeds. Four surfaces, only one of which "took" and allowed spiritual nature to thrive. If we give each surface/soul equal weight, Jesus knew that about 75% of souls would reject or misconstrue spiritual growth. So, Jesus isn't surprised. But it's sad that the church is lending its aegis to the 75%.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
8. Local Church
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:38 PM
Mar 2019

A local Methodist Church had a full page ad Sunday that communicated where they stood on the whole issue. Lots-o-rainbow.

Staph

(6,245 posts)
9. I'm on the communications team at my church.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:42 PM
Mar 2019

We decided that we're going the social media route, to tell the world how we feel.

One, we want to reach young people who don't necessarily read hardcopy newspapers.

And two, we can't afford full-page ads!


Could you send me a link to that paper or to the ad itself? I'd love to steal some good ideas!


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